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| Joe Biden, the Inappropriate Toucher |
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18 | 1.46% |
| Bernie Sanders, the Hand Flailer |
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665 | 54.11% |
| Elizabeth Warren, the Plan Maker |
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319 | 25.96% |
| Kamala Harris, the Cop Lord |
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26 | 2.12% |
| Cory Booker, the Super Hero Wannabe |
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5 | 0.41% |
| Julian Castro, the Twin |
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5 | 0.41% |
| Kirsten Gillibrand, the Franken Killer |
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5 | 0.41% |
| Pete Buttigieg, the Troop Sociopath |
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17 | 1.38% |
| Robert Francis O'Rourke, the Fake Latino |
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3 | 0.24% |
| Jay Inslee, the Climate Alarmist |
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8 | 0.65% |
| Marianne Williamson, the Crystal Queen |
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86 | 7.00% |
| Tulsi Gabbard, the Muslim Hater |
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23 | 1.87% |
| Andrew Yang, the $1000 Fool |
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32 | 2.60% |
| Eric Swalwell, the Insurance Wife Guy |
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2 | 0.16% |
| Amy Klobuchar, the Comb Enthusiast |
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1 | 0.08% |
| Bill de Blasio, the NYPD Most Hated |
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4 | 0.33% |
| Tim Ryan, the Dope Face |
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3 | 0.24% |
| John Hickenlooper, the Also Ran |
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7 | 0.57% |
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yronic heroism posted:“It creates racial animosity and there are other ways I prefer to pursue desegregation” was literally Biden’s stated position so so I’m still waiting for the field to actually differentiate. Biden also said "Yaaaaay my segregationist bffs!!!" many, many, MANY times over the past two months, so...context.
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Biden opposed busing as a state's rights issue (basically a wonkish, procedural objection). Bernie's opposition to busing is so outwardly baffling one can only conclude that he is genuinely against desegregation. Yet Harris chose to attack Biden? Are she and Bernie in cahoots?
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Jul 6, 2019 01:33
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Majorian posted:Biden also said "Yaaaaay my segregationist bffs!!!" many, many, MANY times over the past two months, so...context. Hm yes the thread that is devoted to the minutia of which health care plan the theoretical next Democratic president will watch die in the Senate decides that candidate differences are actually all about rhetoric and decorum (and thus Mayor Pete is the new champion by acclamation).
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Jul 6, 2019 01:33
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lol that people are taking a weird paraphrasing as gospel
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Jul 6, 2019 01:35
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yronic heroism posted:Hm yes the thread that is devoted to the minutia of which health care plan the theoretical next Democratic president will watch die in the Senate decides that candidate differences are actually all about rhetoric and decorum (and thus Mayor Pete is the new champion by acclamation). It's more that thread that gives a poo poo about social and economic justice thinks that the dude who still doesn't see anything wrong with palling around with segregationists prob shouldn't be the nominee in TYOOL 2019.
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Jul 6, 2019 01:54
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Ogmius815 posted:It’s very good and reasonable that suddenly “well it was a long time ago and now he’s open to changing his mind” is an acceptable excuse when it comes from Son Bernie. A big part of the reason Biden sucks is that he refuses to change his mind about anything. That's why this conversation about busing came up in the first place.
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Jul 6, 2019 02:11
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Biden reminds me of a roommate I had once who said, during an argument, "I never apologize to my girlfriend so I sure as gently caress won't apologize to you." Never being able to admit you've been wrong is like, a huge loving red flag.
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Jul 6, 2019 02:16
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Majorian posted:It's more that thread that gives a poo poo about social and economic justice thinks that the dude who still doesn't see anything wrong with palling around with segregationists prob shouldn't be the nominee in TYOOL 2019. Ah, I was wondering how the hair would be split to allow Bernie to come out on the right side of it while still actually having shown old-rear end white man panic over busing.
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Jul 6, 2019 02:29
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yronic heroism posted:Sorry your parents charge you 800 bucks of rent a year Lol did you really just pull a LIVING WITH YOUR PARENTS Eighty bucks a month, ten years from now, is loving nothing , if it happened tomorrow it would be a marginal improvement but that's not her plan. Saying "it's good because ten years from.now you'll have slightly more money" is asinine, particularly when the amount of money is so fuckin pitiful
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Jul 6, 2019 02:36
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Mellow Seas posted:Geez it was really foolish of Warren to just have this one policy. I mean, come on, Liz, ever heard of minimim wage? Why not do something with that? These candidates, boy I tell ya. I fully believe that well have a living wage* in ten years *Not actually enough to live on at the time the amount is set, let alone in ten years when we hit it and start over Why are you defending such a garbage plan so hard
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Jul 6, 2019 02:37
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I genuinely do not understand the rabid fervor people are defending meager changes that will take a decade to enact with This is the same as people saying "well new York will have 15/hr minimum wage in another five years" except even dumber Like yeja ok in a vacuum that's good, but the improvement does not outweigh how everything is going to get worse by then to the point where that improvement is completely ineffectual, your money will not go as far, you will have less of it, but hey we jiggered the numbers around on the way and she's got math so clearly it's a good idea
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Jul 6, 2019 03:04
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What do we want? Enough food and shelter to survive, not accounting for inflation! When do we want it? In ten years!
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Jul 6, 2019 03:10
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Ten percent in ten years, so let's figure that's one percent a year I pay eight hundred a month. The first year I would sAve a grand total of eight dollars a month, 96 in a year drat. Wow. Eight dollars. I can go to taco Bell with that kind of money. Thanks Liz. Appreciate you.
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Jul 6, 2019 03:18
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:I genuinely do not understand the rabid fervor people are defending meager changes that will take a decade to enact with you forgot the part where a republican comes into power and erases all those sweet incremental changes with the sweep of his hand
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Jul 6, 2019 03:20
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Damage Case posted:you forgot the part where a republican comes into power and erases all those sweet incremental changes with the sweep of his hand I'm trying to eb charitable and assuming it'll actually stick
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Jul 6, 2019 03:27
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What % reduction would satisfy you all?
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Jul 6, 2019 03:28
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HootTheOwl posted:I didn't see that in the article. its because the liberals are lying
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Jul 6, 2019 03:33
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We should unlock the power of the American economy by making people spend less than 30% of their income on housing and medical care.
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Jul 6, 2019 03:34
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Calibanibal posted:What % reduction would satisfy you all? 100
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Calibanibal posted:What % reduction would satisfy you all? 420%
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Jul 6, 2019 03:54
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Calibanibal posted:What % reduction would satisfy you all? 100% I'll settle for something like, I dunno, 95%? See, compromise
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Jul 6, 2019 04:14
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Hey, at this point, every Dem candidate may as well go as far left as they can... because if Biden is a socialist, so is Ben Shapiro.
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Jul 6, 2019 04:19
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The issue with the mindset of many folks like Warren is that they make "technically improve things" a goal rather than directly looking at the real impact on people and aiming for a specific desired outcome. So you end up with policies that just decrease rent or medical costs by X% without consideration of whether this will actually suffice to fix the underlying problem. It shows a certain detached perspective that is relatively ambivalent towards the actual lived experience of people. Like, if a plan takes 10+ years to fully take action, that's a huge portion of peoples' lives (and that's ignoring the whole "Republicans can take power and undo things" issue).
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Jul 6, 2019 04:22
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To be fair, if a 10% reduction also means the price doesn't go up, it's more like 30%. Which is still not that much over ten years. Because hopefully in ten years my wage will be highe......
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Jul 6, 2019 04:27
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Clips freakin lavaliere on that interviewer. Can they not afford a second mic?
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Jul 6, 2019 04:28
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HootTheOwl posted:To be fair, if a 10% reduction also means the price doesn't go up, it's more like 30%. Which is still not that much over ten years. Because hopefully in ten years my wage will be highe...... Bad news it won't mean that at all
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Jul 6, 2019 04:30
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:Bad news it won't mean that at all Congrats then, president Warren. You've caused rents to only increase by 11 percent over the same ten years.
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Jul 6, 2019 04:32
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HootTheOwl posted:Congrats then, president Warren. You've caused rents to only increase by 11 percent over the same ten years. Just in case it wasn't clear from BENGHAZI's post, Main Paineframe actually made a good post examining the actual text of the plan that shows that this is in fact the case (and that in practice it would basically just attempt to main rent increase at a rate of 3% per year instead of 4% lol, and that's assuming its faith in the markets adjusting to increaased supply is accurate).
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Jul 6, 2019 04:45
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Pembroke Fuse posted:Hey, at this point, every Dem candidate may as well go as far left as they can... because if Biden is a socialist, so is Ben Shapiro. The BEST I have seen Biden trot out is that he will bring things back to the Obama era which is not good enough.
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Jul 6, 2019 04:58
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I think Warren is okay but this plan sucks, it doesn't do anything to actually address issues with housing. Doing an overhaul of zoning and mandatory parking would be great though and should happen regardless of who wins.
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Jul 6, 2019 05:13
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Grapplejack posted:I think Warren is okay but this plan sucks, it doesn't do anything to actually address issues with housing. Doing an overhaul of zoning and mandatory parking would be great though and should happen regardless of who wins. Aren't things like that municipal or state issues? There are federal laws that touch on zoning, like banning redlining and demanding places be accessible to persons with disabilities and things like that, and the federal government can and does do things like Section 8 vouchers and public housing projects, but no matter who becomes President, they're not going to do anything about zoning or mandatory parking levels.
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Jul 6, 2019 05:25
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:Ten percent in ten years, so let's figure that's one percent a year Warren's "plan" is meaningless because in some places rent is pretty affordable and in some places it's almost as high as 50-75% of median income
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Jul 6, 2019 05:29
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Mellow Seas posted:Geez it was really foolish of Warren to just have this one policy. I mean, come on, Liz, ever heard of minimim wage? Why not do something with that? These candidates, boy I tell ya. Here's why even the friendliest liberal is a piece of poo poo, Mellow Seas: y'all are so absolutely loving terrified of going over some imaginary line that the Republicans drew for you, in using government power granted to you by the people to make their lives better, that you will never do enough. It is inconceivable to a contemporary American liberal that they could use that power to solve some loving problems. Like really loving solve them so they go away. Paper over them, sure, but actually solving problems is not on the table because that would require first admitting that something is fundamentally broken somewhere, and that judicious use of power is Good, and liberals just don't have that in them. If the Democratic establishment that you love accidentally did a thing that truly helped even 1% of the population (well, not that 1%, some other 1%), they would self-flagellate nearly to extinction in penance for their egregious and unwarranted overreach. At best, you can be dragged along by the left because some of our actual priorities are priorities you also claim to have. That is the full extent of your worth as an ally. Ultimately, political parties and representation in them should be bucketed according to political ideology. However, under such a regime you would have no representation, because you have no ideology. So instead we have this poo poo where the party is full of idiots like yourself who hem and haw about the details and yet somehow nothing ever gets loving done. Even on her best day Warren will get no farther than libertarian paternalism, Mellow Seas, and that's just so much reheated poo poo.
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Jul 6, 2019 05:29
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Calibanibal posted:What % reduction would satisfy you all? MSDOS KAPITAL posted:Any plan from Warren to do with rents that isn't just this image
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Jul 6, 2019 05:38
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on her website and nothing else, can eat my poo poo tbh.
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Epicurius posted:Aren't things like that municipal or state issues? There are federal laws that touch on zoning, like banning redlining and demanding places be accessible to persons with disabilities and things like that, and the federal government can and does do things like Section 8 vouchers and public housing projects, but no matter who becomes President, they're not going to do anything about zoning or mandatory parking levels. You are correct, it's going to cause a shitfest without 1000 years of darkness majority.
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Jul 6, 2019 05:39
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MSDOS KAPITAL posted:just a bit off the top: I am not exaggerating in the slightest when I say i will compromise and settle on "rent doesn't exist anymore" instead of "landlords don't exist anymore, because the wicked blade levelled the playing field"
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Jul 6, 2019 05:54
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But sure I guess telling people they'll get an extra ten bucks a month, every year, for ten years, at which point their rent will have caught up and they're back at 0, is exciting and bold and definitely going to fix the problem and is not just palliative care
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I am unimpressed with Warren’s silly 10% rent reduction plan and her numbers fucksteinery intensifies by the day.
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