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YF-23 posted:Bruno died because his body was already dead, so the soul swap that was going to happen just sent him straight to heaven. Destroying the soul sun doesn't kill you, it just erases the "shadow of your soul" that Chariot Requiem represents. Think about what you said and how little sense that makes. The shadow of your soul? What Why does your body being dead make any difference? You just killed your soul dancingbears posted:I read this as King Crimson punches his own soul and maims it, while Bucciarati went the full mile and outright destroyed his own soul. No he exploded his soul, same as Buccaletti
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Honestly thinking about it at all makes my dick itch
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Jul 6, 2019 15:53
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It's less the soul itself and more a representation of it. It's like if you break a lightbulb in your house you haven't killed your power, just the bulb.
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Jul 6, 2019 15:54
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Why is there a representation of your soul behind your head Fester: what
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why wouldn't their be a representation of your soul behind your head. the nature, location and tangibiliy of the human soul have been debated and explored for millennium. araki's answer isn't THAT weird. it just comes out of nowhere
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Bucciarati should've been smarter and pull a Ginyu injuring his/Diavolo's body before the swap. Anyway, while I still enjoyed this Jojo way more than the average anime this part has been the weakest for me so far. It's been a mantra in this thread that it's an improved Stardust Crusaders but I couldn't disagree more, specially for this part here: Monaghan posted:Except the part 4 crew was way better than part 5. Bruno and maybe Abbachio were the only guys I cared about. Giorno sucks, Fugo is nothing and Narancia is meh. How can we say that the cast is better when the only interactions are really with one another in the context "oh poo poo another stand attack" People write off most of part 3 because it's made up mostly of self-contained monster-of-the-week episodes but those episodes are filled with moments where we see the characters in mundane situations, like Joseph teaching the others how to haggle or ride a camel, just hanging around and talking in hotels, cafés... or asking people for information, which makes us empathize with them (and part 4 is even better at this). The Passione gang on the other hand only has a handful of moments like that and hardly interacts with ANYONE who isn't an enemy after the first few episodes, I honestly couldn't feel sad for the deaths of this part because they feel closer to units in a strategy game than actual people. The enemies were also a let down, I enjoyed the variety in parts 3 and 4 that included users that ranged from literal babies to elderly, men and women, and even animals. Part 5 only has (very fashionable) thugs, and while some of them like Pesci or Giacchio leave a strong impression others kind of muddle together, I'd have a hard time identifying which was the Kraftwork user and the Little Feet one without looking it up. Plus most of the complaints around this final stretch. I still enjoyed it nonetheless, and to end in a positive note I'll say the animation has been top snotch throughout the series and a definitive improvement over the previous ones.
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snackcakes posted:Right, right, Giorno undid all that but if he didn't have his Requiem power there would be blood in his eyes. That's the part I don't get. I don't get it either. He can't interact with people but he can cut off Trish's hand and run off with her? And splash blood in people's eyes? And control Mista's body to get close to Giorno? Aerosmith's bullets phased through him but he still had to dodge Mista's? It's very inconsistent.
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Expect My Mom posted:why wouldn't their be a representation of your soul behind your head. So Diavolo's sun smelled kinda like Trish's, and Giorno can weight the suns. Mista didn't want Giorno getting up on his face and rubbing his sun ball.
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I’m on my way to anime expo right now and I cannot wait for the insane jojo cosplays
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Expect My Mom posted:why wouldn't their be a representation of your soul behind your head. Why WOULD there be a "representation" of your soul behind your head? What the gently caress It makes NO SENSE and doesn't even make sense here because one person destroys it and nothing happens and one destroys it and dies immediately wtf and I guarantee you we'll never see this dumb poo poo again Bad writing is bad
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Bruno... words can't You were the buss the world didn't deserve, but those clouds don't deserve the silver lining of your zipper  Since goons gonna spoil, I'm skipping over the last 3 pages. As someone who knows nothing more than what the anime has shown so far, my take on 『GER』is that it has the same effect as 「GE」in that things touched by it will return to their origin (thanks Mr. Mole  ). So basically that is what is happening with reality.
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getting real mad about the anime with vampires and hamon and stands itt
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Alan_Shore posted:Why WOULD there be a "representation" of your soul behind your head? What the gently caress Your posts are infinitely worse.
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Alan_Shore posted:Why WOULD there be a "representation" of your soul behind your head? What the gently caress You're misunderstanding. Destroying the "sun" didn't kill Bucciarati, it killed Chariot Requiem, and undid its power. Because of that, every soul returned to whence it came, but Bucciarati's had nowhere to go since his body is double dead at this point (as shown by the fact that it couldn't keep the soul it did have in it, Doppio's). Thus, Bucciarati's soul ascended to Heaven, while everyone else returned to their original bodies. Also it feels kind of weird to say "why X" in Jojo of all places. The soul sun thing exists because of Chariot Requiem, it's part of its abilities.
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Alan_Shore posted:Why WOULD there be a "representation" of your soul behind your head? What the gently caress SCR controls people's souls by giving everybody their own light source. Bucciarati died because he ended the body swapping shenanigans and his body is finally actually for-reals dead.
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Diavolo just smacked the orb but didn’t destroy it completely. He was at an advantage and didn’t want to undo the swappo
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Ok so why didn't Chariot Requiem die when King Crimson punched his sun soul? Why did it only die when Buccaletti punched his? Was it a special 2 soul suns for one deal? If Buccaletti is dead cos his body is dead then it is would be utter bullshit if Polnareff isn't dead too, but we didn't see him at all this episode because... Edit: ^^^ well if he only "smacked" his sun soul then the would make more sense, but it's still the dumb as balls Alan_Shore fucked around with this message at 17:23 on Jul 6, 2019 |
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Alan_Shore posted:Ok so why didn't Chariot Requiem die when King Crimson punched his sun soul? Why did it only die when Buccaletti punched his? Was it a special 2 soul suns for one deal? KC didn't completely destroy his sun so SCR didn't get completely destroyed, you keep asking the same question
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it's not that complicated
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Xad posted:KC didn't completely destroy his sun so SCR didn't get completely destroyed, you keep asking the same question Look I'm sorry if it's poo poo and dumb, you're saying stuff like "King Crimson didn't destroy his sun" as if that's normal and cool. I know it's JoJo but all the other parts made sense and didn't rear end-pull garbage at the final hour
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Are you loving serious
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grieving for Gandalf posted:it's not that complicated It's not that complicated, it's just that everyone has a soul that's not your soul that looks like a little sun that hovers behind your head and if you punch it hard you'll die and if you punch it just a bit you'll be fine and this never came up before and will never be referenced again Edit: RevolverDivider posted:Are you loving serious Yes, I dare you to point to something in parts 2 -4 that made less sense Alan_Shore fucked around with this message at 17:31 on Jul 6, 2019 |
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Alan_Shore posted:Look I'm sorry if it's poo poo and dumb, you're saying stuff like "King Crimson didn't destroy his sun" as if that's normal and cool. I know it's JoJo but all the other parts made sense and didn't rear end-pull garbage at the final hour Jotaro literally gains the ability to control time at the last possible fight with an explanation that contradicts the rules of Stands (not like anything follows them...)
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Its called jojo’s bizarre adventure for a reason
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Alan_Shore posted:It's not that complicated, it's just that everyone has a soul that's not your soul that looks like a little sun that hovers behind your head and if you punch it hard you'll die and if you punch it just a bit you'll be fine and this never came up before and will never be referenced again everyone doesn't have that all the time. it's a condition set by Silver Chariot Requiem to evade people pursuing the arrow. the sun isn't your soul, it's a light source attached to your soul. it can be present yet only present for you because that's how Requiem stands are if you're really having this much trouble, it must be fun to watch this kind of show because you're constantly going "wow!!" or "huh!?" I envy you
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JoJo has established that Ghosts Are Real and that locations can be ghosts and I wonder what this means for SCR's Soul Orbs
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Ok... If you're telling me that The Sun was an extension of Chariot's power to remain hidden from everyone by changing position as a shadow... It's a good idea! A stand that's a shadow, but has weird position because he applies the light source to you! Why the gently caress is the word "soul" there at all, then?! Just make it a magic lightbulb. Diavolo hurt it, Bruno killed it, badaboom, everyone switched back, same result. Wouldn't be any weirder than, say, Jotaro sucking in Enya's stand (I'm talking about just the sun-punching part here). Why is it so much more confusing than it should be? Diavolo just starts screaming about his soul and punches some orb. Usually there's at least some time for us to see the weakness and come to the conclusion, but here it's just "hey i have a soul boom". Just say that it makes everyone brighter and make the puzzle more convoluted by characters saying that he walks different direction for each! It would be so much more interesting! Instead, I barely understood what was he doing, and it wasn't mysterious, just boring. Having an illusion of him walking different paths would've created a mystery much more interesting than "welp, they can't hit him because reasons i guess". Let the characters think and guess! Y'know, one of the best parts of fight scenes in Jojo. Yeah, no, the explanation doesn't sound as ridiculous, but holy hell you have to understand this poo poo, and even then, the heroes were just walking for what feels like forever.
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Vookatos posted:Ok... If you're telling me that The Sun was an extension of Chariot's power to remain hidden from everyone by changing position as a shadow... it's not that complicated
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It Just Works
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They use Soul because the light reflects a shadow that has your stand (your soul) manifest from to protect the arrow.
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grieving for Gandalf posted:it's not that complicated
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Blaze Dragon posted:Jotaro literally gains the ability to control time at the last possible fight with an explanation that contradicts the rules of Stands (not like anything follows them...) That's bull, Jotaro gains the ability to slightly control time when he realizes that his stand is similar/less powerful than Dio's. It makes perfect sense to go "oh, my stand is like yours, maybe I can use the same power". That's good writing. Vookatos posted:Ok... If you're telling me that The Sun was an extension of Chariot's power to remain hidden from everyone by changing position as a shadow... I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks this is ridiculous holy hell
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Diavolo can throw his blood at people, cause after it leaves his body it's no longer a part of him.
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Alan_Shore posted:That's bull, Jotaro gains the ability to slightly control time when he realizes that his stand is similar/less powerful than Dio's. It makes perfect sense to go "oh, my stand is like yours, maybe I can use the same power". That's good writing. In what way is Star Platinum similar to The World? I like Stardust Crusaders a bunch but Star Platinum having the same power as The World is a total asspull. It's barely foreshadowed. Nowhere else in JoJo do two stands have the exact same power.
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Alan_Shore posted:That's bull, Jotaro gains the ability to slightly control time when he realizes that his stand is similar/less powerful than Dio's. It makes perfect sense to go "oh, my stand is like yours, maybe I can use the same power". That's good writing. Stands are a reflection of the user's soul and completely unique to each individual. "My Stand is similar to yours" is nonsense, otherwise we can expect Jotaro to pull off healing powers too, considering the only thing they even have in common (or at all beyond the time stop thing) is punching really fast.
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Star Platinum Vs The World is a great fight and super fun but that doesn't mean the circumstances behind it aren't stretching.
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I think the sun ball is basically a psychic led. It’s probably the thing that gives you the cool colored aura when you use your stand. [e] I hope araki uses the soul orb as a solution to a fight out of no where for a future part DrManiac fucked around with this message at 18:18 on Jul 6, 2019 |
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JfishPirate posted:I think this is the key. Ultimately, the gang was fighting against Diavolo because he was utterly evil. Giorno hated that he sold drugs to children, and the rest were mad that he attempted to kill his own daughter. Diavolo, the Devil in human form, believes only the results (that give him power) matter, even if that means innocents get hurt. The heroes did not. Bruno knew that the effort to save Trish was, in all likelihood, a suicide mission, but he went ahead with it anyway. Just wanted to say thanks for this really good post.  Reading this really makes me want to ask Araki how much of part 5 was planned and when he came up with the themes for it.Alan_Shore posted:That's bull, Jotaro gains the ability to slightly control time when he realizes that his stand is similar/less powerful than Dio's. It makes perfect sense to go "oh, my stand is like yours, maybe I can use the same power". That's good writing. Your posts in this thread have been devolving into a series of nitpicks (Giorno no longer hating repeating himself, no one guarding Abacchio, Trish's role in this part, not showing what happened to Polnareff), or someone posts confusion over what's happening in the latest episodes and you use their opinion to claim that part 5 is bad writing. The previous parts have their own share of minor nitpicks that don't make sense, yet you seem to have rolled fine with those. I'm sort of curious what sort of series or shows you think has good writing.
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DrManiac posted:I think the sun ball is basically a psychic led. It’s probably the thing that gives you the cool colored aura when you use your stand.  finally someone cracked the code
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Blaze Dragon posted:You're misunderstanding. Destroying the "sun" didn't kill Bucciarati, it killed Chariot Requiem, and undid its power. Because of that, every soul returned to whence it came, but Bucciarati's had nowhere to go since his body is double dead at this point (as shown by the fact that it couldn't keep the soul it did have in it, Doppio's). Thus, Bucciarati's soul ascended to Heaven, while everyone else returned to their original bodies. Speaking of which, why wasn't anyone (Giorno aside) worried about the fact that Bruno was going back to a body that had been fatally shot? Archenteron posted:It Just Works How many Stands have we applied this mantra to at this point? Blueberry Pancakes fucked around with this message at 18:22 on Jul 6, 2019 |
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