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um excuse me
Jan 1, 2016

by Fluffdaddy
It looks like a carbon steel bit, those get pretty twisty if you get them stuck in a hunk aluminum.

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OBAMNA PHONE
Aug 7, 2002

MrOnBicycle posted:

Lol the best thing about that dude failing at jacking his car is that he maintains that it was the jacks fault and that his hockey pucks slipped. Even bought new jack and jack stands because of his "bad" jack". Yeah keep telling yourself that mate.

Edit: Jesus, the moron used 2 hockey pucks to lift a car at the pinch welds without looking? He's lucky he didn't get hurt.

he's unrepentant about how stupid he is, just look at the comments and his replies to them.

StormDrain
May 22, 2003

Thirteen Letter

um excuse me posted:

It looks like a carbon steel bit, those get pretty twisty if you get them stuck in a hunk aluminum.

wesleywillis
Dec 30, 2016

SUCK A MALE CAMEL'S DICK WITH MIRACLE WHIP!!
Here's one I've been meaning to post for a while...

Darchangel
Feb 12, 2009

Tell him about the blower!


BraveUlysses posted:

he's unrepentant about how stupid he is, just look at the comments and his replies to them.

Never read the comments.

um excuse me
Jan 1, 2016

by Fluffdaddy

wesleywillis posted:

Here's one I've been meaning to post for a while...



Okay this one confuses me. Titanium nitride is silly hard.

Deteriorata
Feb 6, 2005

um excuse me posted:

Okay this one confuses me. Titanium nitride is silly hard.

It's only coated with TiN.

Colostomy Bag
Jan 11, 2016

:lesnick: C-Bangin' it :lesnick:

Well, the Drill Master brand from HF does let some QA slip through the cracks.

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

I have one of those too

Sagebrush posted:

oh nice i can repost this thing i found in one of the drill presses a couple years ago



i didn't know you could un-twist a drill bit, but a student found a way

cakesmith handyman
Jul 22, 2007

Pip-Pip old chap! Last one in is a rotten egg what what.

Oh we're playing that game again?



God dang it Jamie

cormorant
Nov 3, 2010

by FactsAreUseless

big crush on Chad OMG posted:

Imagine being that stupid and still posting the video

the real tragedy is his haircut

BOOTY-ADE
Aug 30, 2006

BIG KOOL TELLIN' Y'ALL TO KEEP IT TIGHT

sandoz posted:

ah, an ambidextrous bit

Looks like a piece of wrought iron

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

oh and just btw ambidextrous bits are a real thing



They are meant for use in routers, on woods that are prone to tear-out -- you set the height so that the up-cut portion of the bit is below the material and the down-cut portion is above, so the cutting forces on both sides are into the middle of the part. That lets you clean up the edge while avoiding the little splinters you get if the cutting forces go from the inside out.

Obviously this does real wacky things with chip ejection so you have to be careful about your cut geometry and give lots of clearance. Plunging with one of these or doing a full-width slot can be really sketchy

hitze
Aug 28, 2007
Give me a dollar. No, the twenty. This is gonna blow your mind...



gently caress




M62TU exhaust cam sprockets are apparently torqued to 4 million fuckin foot pounds, still not sure where the rest of the T55 bit went

Beach Bum
Jan 13, 2010

hitze posted:



gently caress




M62TU exhaust cam sprockets are apparently torqued to 4 million fuckin foot pounds, still not sure where the rest of the T55 bit went

:stare: Now that's fuckin' impressive Do the cams have flats or pins for locking? I'd be afraid of snapping a cam, BMW's cams are infamously delicate (at least on the M/S 5x motors)

Powershift
Nov 23, 2009


probably reverse thread, lol


I've lost many a T55 to ford box bolts. What a stupid loving design, limiting the size of your tool to T55. At least with a bolt you can get a thicker wall socket. Ain't no way to add material to a torx bit.

Wasabi the J
Jan 23, 2008

MOM WAS RIGHT

Sagebrush posted:

oh and just btw ambidextrous bits are a real thing



They are meant for use in routers, on woods that are prone to tear-out -- you set the height so that the up-cut portion of the bit is below the material and the down-cut portion is above, so the cutting forces on both sides are into the middle of the part. That lets you clean up the edge while avoiding the little splinters you get if the cutting forces go from the inside out.

Obviously this does real wacky things with chip ejection so you have to be careful about your cut geometry and give lots of clearance. Plunging with one of these or doing a full-width slot can be really sketchy

You awakened a need to find tool porn videos of different router bits in super slow motion.

Frobbe
Jan 19, 2007

Calm Down




My dad's car decided to do an expensive thing. that must've been an experience.

Krakkles
May 5, 2003

Drove over a piece of metal in a most unfortunate fashion?

I had a Scion xB long ago which got opened like a can of tuna by something similar. The construction company which had left the metal plates on the road ended up paying for the repairs, so that was good, but it was pretty unsettling - it could’ve easily taken my foot off if it happened slightly differently.

Frobbe
Jan 19, 2007

Calm Down

Krakkles posted:

Drove over a piece of metal in a most unfortunate fashion?

I had a Scion xB long ago which got opened like a can of tuna by something similar. The construction company which had left the metal plates on the road ended up paying for the repairs, so that was good, but it was pretty unsettling - it could’ve easily taken my foot off if it happened slightly differently.

That piece of metal is usually an integral part of the steering

um excuse me
Jan 1, 2016

by Fluffdaddy


The guy is on fire. Check the heat distortion coming off the car and driver. Methanol produces an invisible flame.

um excuse me fucked around with this message at 04:04 on Jul 2, 2019

Deteriorata
Feb 6, 2005

um excuse me posted:



The guy is on fire. Check the heat distortion coming off the car and driver. Methanol produces an invisible flame.

btw that's Parnelli Jones in the 1964 Indy 500. He was fine afterwards.

Gay Weed Dad
Jul 12, 2016

cool dude, flyin' high

um excuse me posted:



The guy is on fire. Check the heat distortion coming off the car and driver. Methanol produces an invisible flame.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ku7TdLeEGsQ

slidebite
Nov 6, 2005

Good egg
:colbert:

Thought I'd post something I came across on the job yesterday.

Some of you know I'm in the bearing business... and have been for going on 27 years now. I see a fair amount in my day to day business but it isn't that often that I see an absolute textbook case of something that isn't super-duper, everyday common and have a chance to share it.

Client has a small electric motor... probably 5-7.5HP and they were suffering from bearing failure. The millwright who was working on it had a good idea what was wrong and he asked me to take a look at the bearing for my opinion. His opinion was bang on.

Bearing with the outer race cut apart


Close up:


This is a textbook example of Electrical Fluting. Basically the electrical current is trying to find ground and it's going through the bearings to do it. Not terribly common on small HP motors like this, but the chances of it significantly go up with the addition of using a VFD to control the motor.

Here is a good article about it. https://www.ecmweb.com/motors/diagnosing-understanding-motor-bearing-currents

Just thought I'd post because I suspect a fair amount of people have not seen this type of failure before as it's relegated to electrical equipment by definition.

SEKCobra
Feb 28, 2011

Hi
:saddowns: Don't look at my site :saddowns:
Love the fact that you actually cut it apart and analysed the failure mode, happens less and less these days.

Pham Nuwen
Oct 30, 2010



Chris Knight posted:

All the same we take our chances
Changing our tires
Tricked by circumstances!
Jack the car
Do not go under
The more that things change
The more they stay the same

plus tire change
plus c'est la même chose

EightBit
Jan 7, 2006
I spent money on this line of text just to make the "Stupid Newbie" go away.
How do you prevent that bearing failure mode? Is there an electrical malfunction going unnoticed that can be corrected? Ceramic bearing?

Memento
Aug 25, 2009


Bleak Gremlin

EightBit posted:

How do you prevent that bearing failure mode? Is there an electrical malfunction going unnoticed that can be corrected? Ceramic bearing?

The first one. Current has to go somewhere and will seek the path of least resistance, which in this case is through the bearing.

Powershift
Nov 23, 2009


SEKCobra
Feb 28, 2011

Hi
:saddowns: Don't look at my site :saddowns:

That must have been one hell of a "oh poo poo" moment for his poo to come out fast enough to singe the seat.

Bajaha
Apr 1, 2011

BajaHAHAHA.



EightBit posted:

How do you prevent that bearing failure mode? Is there an electrical malfunction going unnoticed that can be corrected? Ceramic bearing?

They also make grounding rings for the motor shaft's. The body of the motor is grounded so induced voltages on the shaft (from ugly waveforms with lots of high frequency components like the choppy stuff you'd see coming from a VFD) have no where to go unless they arc through the bearings and produce that sort of flutting. Grounding rings give a path for the pixies to escape without having to go through your nice bearing surface.

That damage is more typical on larger motors due to the currents involved but can happen on smaller stuff too. VFD waveform has a lot to do with it so a cheaper VFD that's only 3 levels (high, zero, low) will be worst for this than something with a fancier switching circuit that can do 6 or 12 pulse switching (output looks more sinusoidal and has less high frequency components) output filtering can help considerably as well but again that costs $$ and on the smaller stuff you'll hardly ever see it, at least in hvac applications. Nicer VFD's have some filtering built in.

On small stuff I've only ever seen it on 600/575V equipment. 600V is essentially a non tariff trade barrier and because Canada isn't that huge of a market most companies just tweak their 480V design and call it a day rather than design their products with 600V in mind. They don't always do a good job and when you add in that 600V can be quite "dirty" power, particularly in remote northern communities that have generator power plants, you'll see a higher rate of failure in those areas.

Hugh G. Rectum
Mar 1, 2011

https://i.imgur.com/W6L1yMp.mp4

sharkytm
Oct 9, 2003

Ba

By

Sharkytm doot doo do doot do doo


Fallen Rib
It's a problem on boats too, shaft grounding brushes are pretty common.

Midjack
Dec 24, 2007




loving Taco Bell!!

slidebite
Nov 6, 2005

Good egg
:colbert:

EightBit posted:

How do you prevent that bearing failure mode? Is there an electrical malfunction going unnoticed that can be corrected? Ceramic bearing?

Bajaha posted:

They also make grounding rings for the motor shaft's.
That's the low dollar and perfectly acceptable solution.

Look like this


Ceramic/coated bearings are certainly a thing too and an option. Pure ceramics are big money and, not made in every size/style and are not really the panacea they are cracked up to be. They also have a different characteristics vs carbon steel (and not always for the better).

Coated bearings are a more realistic, cost effective option for many sizes but it is super easy to scratch the coating on install (or mishandling) as it's only a micron or so thick, which make it worthless. Since bearings are normally pressed into a housing, you really have no way of knowing if you scratched it on install either.

Powershift
Nov 23, 2009


Midjack posted:

loving Taco Bell!!

For real, i ate at taco bell for the first and last time in over a decade yesterday and i don't understand why taco bell still exists. Who eats that poo poo and says "yeah, i want more of that disgusting mushy poo poo in a flavourless tortilla, or some of those unseasoned fries covered in viscous white and orange liquids. I love how it gives me quality time with my toilet."

I think i judge people who enjoy taco bell as harshly as i judge people who buy mitsubishis at this point.

As for the bearings, i was thinking "if only we could harness those forces to cut metal" and that's pretty much what electrical discharge machining is isn't it.

wolrah
May 8, 2006
what?

slidebite posted:

Thought I'd post something I came across on the job yesterday.

Some of you know I'm in the bearing business... and have been for going on 27 years now. I see a fair amount in my day to day business but it isn't that often that I see an absolute textbook case of something that isn't super-duper, everyday common and have a chance to share it.

Client has a small electric motor... probably 5-7.5HP and they were suffering from bearing failure. The millwright who was working on it had a good idea what was wrong and he asked me to take a look at the bearing for my opinion. His opinion was bang on.

Bearing with the outer race cut apart


Close up:


This is a textbook example of Electrical Fluting. Basically the electrical current is trying to find ground and it's going through the bearings to do it. Not terribly common on small HP motors like this, but the chances of it significantly go up with the addition of using a VFD to control the motor.

Here is a good article about it. https://www.ecmweb.com/motors/diagnosing-understanding-motor-bearing-currents

Just thought I'd post because I suspect a fair amount of people have not seen this type of failure before as it's relegated to electrical equipment by definition.

This is also believed to be relevant to a number of spacecraft failures. These spacecraft all had reaction wheel failures that correlate with various space weather incidents, and it's believed that the bearings in the reaction wheels had current arc through them and cause damage as a result.

illectro did a video about it a little while back:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KibT-PEMHUU

MRC48B
Apr 2, 2012

Some mechanical engineer tell me why you cannot just put an insulating spacer around the outer race of the bearing, or between the inner race and motor shaft.

Seat Safety Switch
May 27, 2008

MY RELIGION IS THE SMALL BLOCK V8 AND COMMANDMENTS ONE THROUGH TEN ARE NEVER LIFT.

Pillbug

slidebite posted:

<snip>

Bearing with the outer race cut apart


Close up:


This is super interesting. I never would have thought of this as a failure mode, but when you're in the hundreds-of-volts VFD motors...

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Beach Bum
Jan 13, 2010

MRC48B posted:

Some mechanical engineer tell me why you cannot just put an insulating spacer around the outer race of the bearing, or between the inner race and motor shaft.

Deformation, most likely. [IaNaME]

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