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Anyone else gonna pop a Zen 2 on their X370 (that is if the maker is supporting it)? I just noticed Asrock finally put out their BIOS update for the X370 Taichi the other day.
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What do you think of the ASRock Phantom Gaming 4 as a cheap alternative?
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K8.0 posted:Another review gimping the Intel platform with garbage ram (also mildly gimping Zen2, but clearly not nearly as much). Worthless. If Intel wants reviewers to stop using their "maximum rated" speeds for DDR4, they need to nut up, accept that everyone running XMP profiles is a reality, and stop claiming their flagship CPUs top out at DDR4-2666 or whatever the gently caress.
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I think you can practically store counter strike 1.x entirely off the L3 cache of a 3950x, I cant wait to get my hands on one of those chips. Can you make a tiny L3 cache disk?
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Khorne posted:My advice to most people would probably be b450/x470. That's even my advice to myself. ilkhan fucked around with this message at 05:15 on Jul 8, 2019 |
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Newegg has the 3900X up: https://www.newegg.com/amd-ryzen-9-3900x/p/N82E16819113103?Description=3900x&cm_re=3900x-_-19-113-103-_-Product
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8-bit Miniboss posted:Newegg has the 3900X up: https://www.newegg.com/amd-ryzen-9-3900x/p/N82E16819113103?Description=3900x&cm_re=3900x-_-19-113-103-_-Product  this is how boxes look, right?
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and 3700X up: https://www.newegg.com/amd-ryzen-7-3700x/p/N82E16819113567?Description=3700x&cm_re=3700x-_-19-113-567-_-Product still no mobos on newegg yet
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Apparently, they look different enough from previous gen. Even that pic shows 3rd generation on it.
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K8.0 posted:Another review gimping the Intel platform with garbage ram (also mildly gimping Zen2, but clearly not nearly as much). Worthless. I'd much prefer it if they used the same RAM for both but to say the benches are worthless is hyperbolic at best. Its not like its a secret how much DDR4 3200 vs 2666 will benefit a 8700K and the difference isn't gigantic.
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The review embargo is really annoying. I'm in the process of upgrading, and started to look at AMD for the first time in a long time (last AMD chip was an Athlon64 until 2008). Saw the new Ryzen was coming out, and decided to wait. I'm not looking at high-end; I was largely settled on an Intel i5-9600k (or an i7-8700k). How is the 3700x expected to stack up against them? The 9600k+cooler costs about what the 3700x does. Also, holy gently caress, the comments on tech forums are cancer. Trying to find good discussion about the leaked benchmarks from the other day was terrible. Pyroclastic fucked around with this message at 08:45 on Jul 7, 2019 |
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Zotix posted:So like if I went with a x470, don't I need an old gen ryzen to flash it? If you're in Europe, there's the option of stores like Mindfactory that will flash the board for you.
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Combo deals are up on Newegg. https://www.newegg.com/Motherboard-Combos/Store/ID-1418 $15-50 off if you buy a chip with an MSI x570 mobo.
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Just off the newegg prices 3600X is $409 dollarydoos 3700X is $540 3800X is $570 3900X is $783 3800X seems like the better choice over the 3700X if that holds NTRabbit fucked around with this message at 10:02 on Jul 7, 2019 |
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PC LOAD LETTER posted:I'd much prefer it if they used the same RAM for both but to say the benches are worthless is hyperbolic at best. The AMD gains in super ST heavy CS:GO is insane, almost like C2D vs A64 in Source back in 2006. Those 15% price cuts aren't not going to save Intel in any shape or form.
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Otakufag posted:Sorry I'm a noob with all this ram nonsense, what's better: 3200 cl16 or 3600 cl17? Maybe I'm remembering wrong but wasn't zen1 limited to even CAS latency timings on dram? So the comparison would be 3200 cl16 vs 3600 cl18. I haven't seen anything about zen2 memory timings aside from the chart where if shifts down a divider. The 3900x smokes my 2920x in everything but PCIe lanes, and it's not even the top sku. Looking forward to the same uplift for threadripper this winter.
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Pyroclastic posted:The review embargo is really annoying. I'm in the process of upgrading, and started to look at AMD for the first time in a long time (last AMD chip was an Athlon64 until 2008). Saw the new Ryzen was coming out, and decided to wait. I'm not looking at high-end; I was largely settled on an Intel i5-9600k (or an i7-8700k). How is the 3700x expected to stack up against them? The 9600k+cooler costs about what the 3700x does. Yeah I just want to know what cpu to buy for gaming. This frankly pathetic cheerleading for cpus is weird. Least there's not much longer to wait and I can be free of it.
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Some polish site leaked a review but again with DDR4-2666 CL14 and a X370 board. The only interesting info I can decipher is that power consumption is very good, OC headroom of their sample is zero (3600 @ 4.3 GHz/1.45V) and temperatures are quite high. Their cooling charts with a NH-D14 show a stock R5-3600 on par with a stock 8700K or overclocked R5-2600X (73C). It looks like power density is becoming an even more obvious bottleneck.
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NTRabbit posted:Just off the newegg prices Let's hope it doesn't, those prices are insane. But I guess pre-release prices usually don't hold.
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Last minute question on the drive to microcenter. 3700x or 3600x for gaming? I think the 3700x is more a productivity cpu from the benches and specs I've seen leaked but the +2 cores may be end up mattering if the next console Gen is 8core. I guess that's in the future and saving 80 bucks now is better so probably a 3600x for me.
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Lambert posted:Let's hope it doesn't, those prices are insane. But I guess pre-release prices usually don't hold. That's AU, including tax. For reference, Newegg has the 9600k at $390AUD, which is at a whopping 17% off. Considering the 3600x is positioned to compete with that cpu (and should spank it given it has SMT and superior performance per clock), pricing for launch day is fine.
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Ah, I see. Was thinking USD excluding tax.
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OTOH, the 2700 non-X retails for around AUD $360, so $409 for the 3600X isn't a compelling buy here at the moment
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eames posted:The only interesting info I can decipher is that power consumption is very good, OC headroom of their sample is zero That's because only the people under NDA have access to the bios version that allows overclocking the CPU/memory. All the bios versions publicly available until today are completely locked down. 
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Mr Chips posted:OTOH, the 2700 non-X retails for around AUD $360, so $409 for the 3600X isn't a compelling buy here at the moment That's just newegg though, no one else has prices up yet, and the gap between the 3700X and 3800X seems a lot smaller than is being reported in other currencies elsewhere on the internet
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8-bit Miniboss posted:Anyone else gonna pop a Zen 2 on their X370 (that is if the maker is supporting it)? I just noticed Asrock finally put out their BIOS update for the X370 Taichi the other day. I was gonna but someone else in my family needed a PC so I'm giving them my old stuff and getting a new mobo to go with my new CPU. At least, that is the excuse I used to justify buying a new mobo anyways.
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Amazon US SKUs are up but not purchasable yet. 3900X 3800X 3700X 3600X 3600 3400G 3200G
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Chiphell review leaked. It looks like I might be upgrading my scythe mugen 5 rev b given that the 3900x appears to hit 90c at stock with it under prime 95. Ragingsheep posted:What do you think of the ASRock Phantom Gaming 4 as a cheap alternative? Khorne fucked around with this message at 12:37 on Jul 7, 2019 |
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How does the 3700x have higher temps when it has a lower power usage? (120w vs 135w)
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SSJ_naruto_2003 posted:Last minute question on the drive to microcenter. 3700x or 3600x for gaming? I think the 3700x is more a productivity cpu from the benches and specs I've seen leaked but the +2 cores may be end up mattering if the next console Gen is 8core. I guess that's in the future and saving 80 bucks now is better so probably a 3600x for me. If you intend to keep that Ryzen3000 system for a couple of years with 32 gigs of good Ram, I would not go for 6 cores anymore at this point unless you do a strict budget build with a 3600+B450 board. Stuff like recent Ubisoft games or online MMO shooters are asking for 6 cores already to run smoothly; you'll kick yourself in 2-3 years for skimping on 80$ now. Also imo the 3600X and 3800X are traps just like the previous gens, low single digit performance increase for blowing 30-50W more heat out of your case. And the higher upfront cost ofc. sauer kraut fucked around with this message at 12:51 on Jul 7, 2019 |
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That’s with the NH-D15S even. Everything else confirms the other leaks... low power consumption, high temperatures indicating extreme power density and/or Turbo algorithms working so well that OC is a thing of the past. Framerates, though absolutely still slightly behind, are quite impressive compared to Intel considering the clockspeed difference. Ragingsheep posted:How does the 3700x have higher temps when it has a lower power usage? (120w vs 135w) Im starting to wonder if vaporchamber heat spreaders would make sense at this point. It’s becoming clear that power density is an issue when pushing the chips to the limit (which seems to be happening at stock frequencies), so suddenly 14nm+++ isn’t looking so dumb for the very high end anymore. eames fucked around with this message at 12:57 on Jul 7, 2019 |
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Ragingsheep posted:How does the 3700x have higher temps when it has a lower power usage? (120w vs 135w)
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sauer kraut posted:If you intend to keep that Ryzen3000 system for a couple of years with 32 gigs of good Ram, I would not go for 6 cores anymore at this point unless you do a strict budget build with a 3600+B450 board. I planned on getting a b450 board but vrms should be good enough for a 3700x.
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SSJ_naruto_2003 posted:I planned on getting a b450 board but vrms should be good enough for a 3700x. Are you getting the 3700x today? I haven't bothered to check Micro Center for any CPU availability.
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Sidesaddle Cavalry posted:Are you getting the 3700x today? I haven't bothered to check Micro Center for any CPU availability. They said they should have plenty but if they don't have any 3700x I'll pick up a 3600x
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Mindfactory has the 3900x up at €529,00 and "on order", expected in for tomorrow. https://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/AMD-Ryzen-9-3900X-12x-3-80GHz-So-AM4-BOX_1313647.html
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der8auer video up early it seems https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXbCdGENp5I all CPUs top out at 4.2-4.3 GHz allcore, none of the twelve CPUs he tested reached advertised XFR speeds.  since they're all hitting a wall at that frequency seems safe to assume that they're heavily binning for later SKUs (threadripper, 3950X, etc) again. eames fucked around with this message at 13:56 on Jul 7, 2019 |
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Im moving to NY in a week and hopefully the stocks of 3700x at the microcenters are good because I'm pretty much settled on it and a 2070S.
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