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| Joe Biden, the Inappropriate Toucher |
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18 | 1.46% |
| Bernie Sanders, the Hand Flailer |
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665 | 54.11% |
| Elizabeth Warren, the Plan Maker |
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319 | 25.96% |
| Kamala Harris, the Cop Lord |
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26 | 2.12% |
| Cory Booker, the Super Hero Wannabe |
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5 | 0.41% |
| Julian Castro, the Twin |
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5 | 0.41% |
| Kirsten Gillibrand, the Franken Killer |
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5 | 0.41% |
| Pete Buttigieg, the Troop Sociopath |
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17 | 1.38% |
| Robert Francis O'Rourke, the Fake Latino |
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3 | 0.24% |
| Jay Inslee, the Climate Alarmist |
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8 | 0.65% |
| Marianne Williamson, the Crystal Queen |
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86 | 7.00% |
| Tulsi Gabbard, the Muslim Hater |
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23 | 1.87% |
| Andrew Yang, the $1000 Fool |
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32 | 2.60% |
| Eric Swalwell, the Insurance Wife Guy |
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2 | 0.16% |
| Amy Klobuchar, the Comb Enthusiast |
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1 | 0.08% |
| Bill de Blasio, the NYPD Most Hated |
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4 | 0.33% |
| Tim Ryan, the Dope Face |
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3 | 0.24% |
| John Hickenlooper, the Also Ran |
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7 | 0.57% |
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Luckyellow posted:Isn't that the part that was supposed to prevent a "death spiral" in the first place? A) It's not entirely clear that a death spiral is significantly worse than the current situation where people can afford to pay premiums but not actually pay for health care B) In the event of a death spiral that was much worse than the status quo, there might be a clear call for nationalization, which would both fix the death spiral and be better than what we had anyways C) The mandate is effectively dead and there is no apparent death spiral, so maybe it just doesn't even matter
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I have not really heard about a death spiral. Costs never stopped rising for healthcare overall, they just stopped rising as fast
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Jul 7, 2019 01:52
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Willie Tomg posted:AOC is a year-old freshman house rep in direct ideological conflict with both the current speaker as well as those for whom the speaker is carrying the water--who are, to be clear: armed and organized white nationalists. I do not stan her like some do, but there is a compelling case to be made for her eating the elephant one bite at a time. hey speaking of ^^^^ this https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1147668951834476545 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avcS0aYJ2a8
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FlamingLiberal posted:I have not really heard about a death spiral. Costs never stopped rising for healthcare overall, they just stopped rising as fast twodot fucked around with this message at 02:04 on Jul 7, 2019 |
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Jul 7, 2019 02:02
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twodot posted:The theory goes, if insurers aren't allowed to charge extra or deny coverage to people with pre-existing conditions, then people will simply refuse to have health insurance until they are aware that there is an expensive bill coming, where they will then immediately apply for insurance the day before, and stick the insurer with large bills while paying small premiums. If that were to happen then the business of health insurance becomes pure risk for insurers, and they would just decline to offer insurance since there is no premiums they could set that would offset their costs, therefore we need an individual mandate that makes sure that people don't wait until they know that there's an upcoming large bill to get insurance, and that makes the insurance industry happy. In practice, all of that appears to have been just made up theory crafting (except for the part where insurance companies love to be gifted a captive audience by the federal government, that part is definitely true).
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Jul 7, 2019 02:04
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Who even is Biden's audience https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1147580240367165440
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Jul 7, 2019 05:16
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FizFashizzle posted:Who even is Biden's audience Republicans. Biden's audience is Republicans.
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Jul 7, 2019 07:00
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The reporter on the NYT's Bernie Sanders beat consistently fails to identify her sources as corporate lobbyistsquote:Her career as a lobbyist for many of the industries that would be most impacted by Sanders’ proposals might explain Marsh’s obvious animus against the candidate, as displayed in the May 20 edition of her weekly Fox News column, “Bernie Sanders’ Incredible Shrinking Candidacy—Why He Won’t Be Dem Nominee.” One of Sanders’ apparent insurmountable weaknesses, she wrote, is that people “remember Sanders didn’t support Clinton in the general election against Trump.” People with better memories recall that Sanders was one of the most energetic surrogates for Clinton on the campaign trail, campaigning constantly for her in battleground states (New Yorker, 11/4/16).
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Jul 7, 2019 07:23
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So how many gently caress ups has biden done in just this month alone?
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Jul 7, 2019 07:52
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MSDOS KAPITAL posted:The reporter on the NYT's Bernie Sanders beat consistently fails to identify her sources as corporate lobbyists I will if it's against any candidate who publicly promises to immediately close the camps and doesn't backpeddle. Because if Trump wins they're not going anywhere, and they're not going anywhere until Trump loses, and we all know it. You can argue any other point you want about systemic problems and the NEXT more competent GOP fascist and oncoming climate disaster and every other futurist justification for sitting at home and risking a second Trump term you want. If you willingly refuse to support a candidate who promises to close the camps just because they're not Bernie, you deserve scorn for life. That's not even getting into the OTHER minorities who are suffering and having their lives endangered by Trump every single day, who don't have the luxury of protesting with their vote or lack thereof. But there are plenty of Dems who won't do much for those other minorities either except maybe make incremental progress toward restoring what Trump has already ruined, so fine. But the camps are a non-negotiable issue as far as I'm concerned.. Sanguinia fucked around with this message at 08:04 on Jul 7, 2019 |
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Jul 7, 2019 07:59
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Sanguinia posted:I will if it's against any candidate who publicly promises to immediately close the camps and doesn't backpeddle. Because if Trump wins they're not going anywhere, and they're not going anywhere until Trump loses, and we all know it. That these facilities were opened during the Bush and Obama administrations is a nontrivial detail, here.
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Jul 7, 2019 08:08
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Sanguinia posted:. If you willingly refuse to support a candidate who promises to close the camps just because they're not Bernie, you deserve scorn for life. If they're not named Bernie, they're lying about closing Obama's kiddy death camps, op
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Jul 7, 2019 08:31
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I thought Pelosi and the Dem leadership solved the concentration camp issue? We'll continue to murder children via violence and/or neglect but Pelosi will be promptly informed when a child dies. Bipartisanship works!
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Jul 7, 2019 09:39
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Sanguinia posted:I will if it's against any candidate who publicly promises to immediately close the camps and doesn't backpeddle. Because if Trump wins they're not going anywhere, and they're not going anywhere until Trump loses, and we all know it. Like I said, there are candidates I'm more comfortable with, and candidates I'm less comfortable with, but I'm not going to heap scorn on anyone who says e.g. "Harris is a cop and she's full of poo poo about closing the camps just like Obama was about closing Guantanamo" if establishment Dems with the help of the 4th estate and massive institutional advantage, get her the nomination after ratfucking every other candidate who ever said "maybe some things actually can be better." For Harris specifically I haven't completely made up my mind if I'm going to vote for her (I'm leaning "no" though) but what I'm saying is I don't have it in me to drag anyone else who doesn't. Orgs like the NYT and the rest of them have done more to gently caress over Bernie, and for that matter Warren (save for a brief period where they were warming to her if she was the only other candidate with a shot aside from Biden and Sanders), than they have ever done to stop Trump and white supremacy. They're out their acting like this poo poo with Andy Ngo is as bad as Charlottesville. For every instance of poo poo-talking "Bernie Bros" in the national press you can find another instance of some Cletus Safari bullshit sympathetic to some literal loving Nazi scumbag. Gulag the lot of these fucks. Living in society is a privilege and they've lost it.
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Jul 7, 2019 09:42
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Willie Tomg posted:That these facilities were opened during the Bush and Obama administrations is a nontrivial detail, here. And if Bush or Obama win the Democratic nomination, I'll keep that detail in mind. VitalSigns posted:If they're not named Bernie, they're lying about closing Obama's kiddy death camps, op Thank god you were here to tell me that. It's not like I have an example from the last handful of DAYS of a major candidate taking time out of her campaign to be absolutely sure she backpeddled her position on school integration bussing because politicians actually care about public perceptions of their integrity or anything. Any candidate who says they will close the camps and doesn't backpeddle the promise will get my vote in the general. Period. If they fail to live up to that promise, so be it. I took a chance on something higher than a zero. Enjoy living with yourself if you do anything else.
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Jul 7, 2019 09:44
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If someone is barely going to pretend they give a poo poo about the people who vote for them chances are they aren’t about to put any more effort in for the voteless.
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Jul 7, 2019 09:50
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Sanguinia posted:And if Bush or Obama win the Democratic nomination, I'll keep that detail in mind. Being loud and proud about being a rube with no pattern recognition skills isn't the strong moral stand that you think it is, hth.
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Jul 7, 2019 09:59
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I met a Pete Butts supporter IRL today. She liked him because he is young and feels younger generations need a bigger seat at the table of power. We both talked about how much we hated Biden
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Jul 7, 2019 11:02
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VitalSigns posted:If they're not named Bernie, they're lying about closing Obama's kiddy death camps, op I'm always puzzled how people think Bernie, the guy who has had a laser-focus on a single issue since 1972, is somehow going to prioritize all these things that are not that.
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Jul 7, 2019 11:06
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it's more puzzling that you think he's had a laser focus on one issue since 1972
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Jul 7, 2019 11:24
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Since Bernie's one-issue laser focus has been on the issue called "justice" I'm not too worried about him suddenly deciding that concentration camps are ok.
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Jul 7, 2019 11:36
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Lemme tell you all how things will go if it isn't Bernie who gets the nomination WRT the concentration camps. Assuming that whatever empty suit they they push through instead actually wins they'll make a lot of noise about banning a couple of the most egregious human rights violations once in office, but given that the GOP will immediately start screaming about how the Dems are opening the borders and whatnot the situation will quietly return to what we have now or worse in the name of bipartisanship, except the libs will stop even pretending that they give a single poo poo and go back to brunch. So the concentration camps will become normalized and part of the bipartisan consensus, and the exact same libs who are now trying to scold the left to support their Quisling candidates because concentration camps are bad will start scolding the left for being unreasonable and childish because they still want to get rid of the concentration camps.
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Jul 7, 2019 11:57
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The difference is though that I don't think Bernie is going to shrug and go silent forever on the issue like Obama did about Guantanamo.
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Jul 7, 2019 12:03
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"we tortured some folks"
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Pinky Artichoke posted:I'm always puzzled how people think Bernie, the guy who has had a laser-focus on a single issue since 1972, is somehow going to prioritize all these things that are not that. please let go of the lies that 2016 has put in your head so we can move on
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Me:] President Sanders its been 2 years when will you fulfill your promise of shutting down the deathcamps? Pitiful, sundowning Bernie:] Ehhhh? Whats that? Cramps? Well now that you mention it my legs are cramping terribly, thanks for asking
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Pinky Artichoke posted:I'm always puzzled how people think Bernie, the guy who has had a laser-focus on a single issue since 1972, is somehow going to prioritize all these things that are not that. Yo what are you talking about. He just pushed a bill through a Republican-controlled Senate to end Obama-Trump's genocidal war in Yemen. He obviously cares about more than a single issue Sanguinia posted:And if Bush or Obama win the Democratic nomination, I'll keep that detail in mind. VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 14:53 on Jul 7, 2019 |
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Jul 7, 2019 14:43
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e:^^^ That post was just what desperate hope looks like, OP. I doubt they're a raging rightwing clintonite. e2: I think. MSDOS KAPITAL posted:The reporter on the NYT's Bernie Sanders beat consistently fails to identify her sources as corporate lobbyists I've long suspected that this the case for a lot of the people responsible for the stupider hit pieces about Bernie, but Jesus Christ this is incredibly blatant. Damage Case posted:it's more puzzling that you think he's had a laser focus on one issue since 1972 Yeah but I read in an article written by the stepson of the current CEO of Citigroup that Bernie's one issue since 1972 has been to discover how we can be more racist but in secret. Cerebral Bore posted:Lemme tell you all how things will go if it isn't Bernie who gets the nomination WRT the concentration camps. Assuming that whatever empty suit they they push through instead actually wins they'll make a lot of noise about banning a couple of the most egregious human rights violations once in office, but given that the GOP will immediately start screaming about how the Dems are opening the borders and whatnot the situation will quietly return to what we have now or worse in the name of bipartisanship, except the libs will stop even pretending that they give a single poo poo and go back to brunch. The camps will certainly be a little less inhumane once they move into more permanent buildings and forgo the whole tent city/overcrowded county jail aesthetic. We'll also shitcan a few of the more Trump connected higher ups, and pull a starbucks style "every ICE/CBP officer goes to sensitivity training today" program at some point. Marxalot fucked around with this message at 15:06 on Jul 7, 2019 |
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Generally speaking libs pass the largest structural changes needed for fascist policy. Like the original Bush era program this poo poo was born from was just meaningless slop they threw to their swine base. No Republican would have ever dared to push things this far this fast. It was Obama who expanded ICE into the sprawling nationwide Gestapo, and set up these loving camps. Anyone who complained was a wrecker. Less than 0 room in the party for criticism at the time. And the reason he did it? "To show Republicans we were acting in good faith." As a loving present for McConnell. '  Hey turtleboy if I set up some concentration camps will you kill social security with me?'  The next time you read a story about how ICE is running toddler knife fights in these shitholes, remember that this is all Obama standing outside of McConnells window with a boombox. And that pretty much everyone but Bernie will do the same loving thing. Vote Trump over Biden. I'm loving serious.
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Zurakara posted:Vote Trump over Biden. I'm loving serious.  (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Cerebral Bore posted:Being loud and proud about being a rube with no pattern recognition skills isn't the strong moral stand that you think it is, hth. This is the democratic party primary thread
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Sanguinia posted:Thank god you were here to tell me that. It's not like I have an example from the last handful of DAYS of a major candidate taking time out of her campaign to be absolutely sure she backpeddled her position on school integration busing because politicians actually care about public perceptions of their integrity or anything. I had to look this up because, honestly, I've been spending a lot less time ITT and paying attention in general these last couple weeks, but wow. So Kamala fully already chucked her own "powerful personal story" in the trash and moved on. That was so Selina Meyer it's shocking. But I guess not unexpected.
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Jul 7, 2019 16:18
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I haven't seen any of the candidates say anything about the border camps yet. Maybe I've missed it? It seems like a current, pressing issue they'd like to publicly comment on. Did I miss their stances somewhere?
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OB_Juan posted:I haven't seen any of the candidates say anything about the border camps yet. Maybe I've missed it? It seems like a current, pressing issue they'd like to publicly comment on. Did I miss their stances somewhere? https://twitter.com/ewarren/status/1146214276165722112 https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/status/1146070277589065729 And then of course in the debates: https://www.politico.com/video/2019/06/26/julian-castro-on-migrant-detention-conditions-it-should-piss-us-all-off-068387
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OB_Juan posted:I haven't seen any of the candidates say anything about the border camps yet. Maybe I've missed it? It seems like a current, pressing issue they'd like to publicly comment on. Did I miss their stances somewhere? You did. Just Google it. Castro shived Beto over it on national television.
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OB_Juan posted:I haven't seen any of the candidates say anything about the border camps yet. Maybe I've missed it? It seems like a current, pressing issue they'd like to publicly comment on. Did I miss their stances somewhere? Yeah a bunch of them went to a camp a while back and others have had statements and positions out for months/years.
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Zurakara posted:Vote Trump over Biden. I'm loving serious. hey buddy you know that uh there's a real difference between electing "person who theoretically could potentially collaborate with repubs to ruin everything" and "person who definitely will at all times collaborate with republicans to ruin everything"? and that just maybe, one of those is worse than the other? i don't like biden or most the current candidates for being way too capitalist but it's pretty loving obvious to anyone with at least two brain cells to rub together that biden would be a much, much, much, much, much better choice than trump like, come on you clearly know this
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Iamgoofball posted:hey buddy I'm gonna need to see some receipts proving that Biden is actually to the left of Trump. Like yeah don't actually vote for Trump, just stay home in November or write in Lucy Parsons or whatever.
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Jul 7, 2019 17:05
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I have said it before, when it was more controversial, but if Biden is the nominee I will canvass gotv for trump (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Any possibility that Biden (or any other current candidates) were involved with Epstein? I haven’t heard anything but it would be nice to rule that out
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