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I also really like the Enterprise's approach angle when it enters the Genesis system, the Klingons call it a "Federation battle cruiser" and it's shot to look like it means business.
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Arglebargle III posted:The Oberth should not exist. we're fighting
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:also it had perhaps the single biggest impact on Trek aesthetics of any movie. check out the hot designs that were introduced in The Search For Spock that persisted across the next two decades of Trek media, stretching into TNG and DS9: I think all of those played an important role in keeping Trek fresh and relevant, and pushing designwork in a way we didn't see again until Discovery
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Kibbles n Shits posted:Surviving an assignment aboard an Oberth class vessel is the most underappreciated accomplishment one can make in their Starfleet career. In Birth of the Federation I used to build them by the dozen since they were cheap and ram them into enemy ships. You could take out a Borg cube real quick with enough Oberths slammed into it.
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God I forgot that in STIII that is the first appearance of the one freighter which gets reused 80 times in TNG
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Tighclops posted:we're fighting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AphxyjrH4SE
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TheDiceMustRoll posted:Okay, so how were the productions of the TNG movies? On the set of Nemesis, gods from every culture on Earth appeared in person to plead for filming to stop. The event delayed filming by one day.
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TheDiceMustRoll posted:Okay, so how were the productions of the TNG movies? I think Insurrection wound up spending a shitload of money on building the Baku village twice. The test audience for Generations hated the original ending so much (where Kirk just gets shot in the back, another brilliant decision from Ron Moore) that Paramount spent several million dollars to rebuild the sets and drag the cast back out to the desert to shoot a new ending. I don't remember any big chicanery happening with First Contact but I could be missing something. Nemesis: 
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like I seriously wonder how many of the response cards from the Generations test screening came back with death threats scrawled on them
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Oh yeah and Generations also blew a shitload of money on new costumes for the TNG cast, only to decide after they were all made and filming had begun that they weren't so good after all and let's just reuse existing costumes. Frakes and Burton wound up borrowing cast costumes from DS9, hence why Riker's sleeves are so hosed up. Also there was some ~orbital skydiving~ scene with Kirk they shot that was cut.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:Nemesis:
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:I think Insurrection wound up spending a shitload of money on building the Baku village twice. whats the issue with the picture there?
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TheDiceMustRoll posted:whats the issue with the picture there? That's an actual LCD screen set into the LCARS "okudagram". Basically it looks worse than effects from 1989 for the dubious benefit of being able to do the effect in-camera.
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Arglebargle III posted:That's an actual LCD screen set into the LCARS "okudagram". Basically it looks worse than effects from 1989 for the dubious benefit of being able to do the effect in-camera. Christ.
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Jul 8, 2019 08:01
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Wasn't there some real bad liquid crystal wave effect on the screen while Picard tapped out his text message to Troi at the helm? Nemesis was just awful in every way.
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Son of Sam-I-Am posted:I also really like the Enterprise's approach angle when it enters the Genesis system, the Klingons call it a "Federation battle cruiser" and it's shot to look like it means business.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:The test audience for Generations hated the original ending so much (where Kirk just gets shot in the back, another brilliant decision from Ron Moore) that Paramount spent several million dollars to rebuild the sets and drag the cast back out to the desert to shoot a new ending.
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Didn’t Generations also blow a ton of money on the Stellar Cartography set that ended up being in one scene?
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TheDiceMustRoll posted:whats the issue with the picture there? Seriously? The zero-effort blank white LCARS "buttons" there look like total dogshit.
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Kibbles n Shits posted:Surviving an assignment aboard an Oberth class vessel is the most underappreciated accomplishment one can make in their Starfleet career. Getting from the saucer section to the engineering hull is the secondmost underappreciated accomplishment one can make in their Starfleet career.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:Seriously? The zero-effort blank white LCARS "buttons" there look like total dogshit. Honestly my first thought was it was referring to the pajama-like uniform sleeve
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imo, that makes even less sense. You can't fix the core problems there without a big rewrite. If the "2 seconds of vulnerability" is really the problem, just speed up the torpedo shot so it takes a few seconds instead of 15. Not sure that's a huge improvement, though.
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Generations has a great soundtrack at least and it's a well-shot film.
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Generations would have made a good two-part episode rather than a movie. Sorta like if you had sliced about half of Insurrection off in editing (the action poo poo) and you'd have had a perfectly acceptable Season 6-ish episode of TNG.
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The first TNG movie should have been Yesterday's Enterprise but they spent that coin too early.
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Any of the 2-parter finale/premier episodes would have made better TNG movies than the actual TNG movies.
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Generations‘ plot is just misconceived and Frankensteined together (add a B plot about Data being funny! Now add some Klingons!) and imo it doesn’t work as a drama despite some valiant efforts from the cast, but it does look great — almost exactly the same visual style as TNG (duh), but much better shot. As a two-parter it still would have had serious problems — though not TNG’s usual problems that there isn’t really enough material for two hours or that they didn’t think of the conclusion before they started writing so it’s anticlimactic — and would have lacked the big screen sized budget which makes it a visual standout. Even as it was they had to reuse footage, which is some bullshit.
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Snow Cone Capone posted:Any of the 2-parter finale/premier episodes would have made better TNG movies than the actual TNG movies. Shame on you, Mr. Clemens.
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CPColin posted:Shame on you, Mr. Clemens. Yes, even Time's Arrow. If TOS can do a "we're in the past how wacky!" movie, TNG can do one too.
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Snow Cone Capone posted:Yes, even Time's Arrow. If TOS can do a "we're in the past how wacky!" movie, TNG can do one too. I think you mean especially Times Arrow, because Times Arrow is great.
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Generations is a perfectly serviceable bonus feature to watch after completing a TNG watch-through
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Drink-Mix Man posted:Generations is a perfectly serviceable bonus feature to watch after completing a TNG watch-through
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McDowell’s delivery of “they say that time is the fire in which we burn” is payoff enough
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The payoff is more ~ACTING~
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FlamingLiberal posted:Can we just talk about the fact that they killed off Picard’s family for almost no payoff Yeah this was sorta lovely of them. I'm probably in the minority on this but "Family" is legit one of my favorite episodes of TNG and one that I somehow hadn't seen until recently. Maybe it resonated a bit more for me because I've lived 4500 miles away from my family for the last seven years, but  Plus how can you not like Sergey and Helena Rozhenko?
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FlamingLiberal posted:Can we just talk about the fact that they killed off
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Drone posted:Yeah this was sorta lovely of them. This made me think about that episode for the first time in years. I never really cared for this episode--I neither hate nor love it. Picard's family has a vineyard? Of course they do. So there are grapes. All we needed was Ricardo Montalbán, and we could have had Star Trek: The Next Generation: The Grapes of Wrath of Khan.
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