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I don't know if there's much you can future proof. I'm more used to intel, but the chips being sold now use the same socket I have on my board but require versions newer of a chipset to work. In my experience, you just buy as good as you can to last you a few years and then rebuild from the ground up. In other news. I bought the 3600 from Newegg. I don't think I want to spend the money on the 3700x and things seem to say that the 3600 and 3600x have about the same performance, so only spending 200 dollars is fine by me. What board do people recommend between 1-200 dollars? I'm used to Asus stuff I was thinking about getting this Asus prime X470 board. All the X570 boards seem to be above 200 dollars. Is X470 ok or am I going to end up limiting myself in some way? The Asus board has pretty much what I need. A bunch of USB 3 ports, 5.1 sound, and M.2.
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there's no way to win in tech, you're either buying at launch and putting up with scarcity, price gouging, and driver issues, or you're buying something that is halfway to being replaced by the new hotness... and the cycle repeats.
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As someone who took a long time to upgrade, the big things are: * RAM: DDR5 will happen eventually, but DDR4 prices are great now * CPU: Hopefully, AM4 will be supported through 2020 * Mobo: But will Zen3 support X470, and what of all the new voltage and TDP bumps; some X570 have voltage controllers from server motherboards at this point And then there's PCI-e 4/5 and Thunderbolt 3, but the former's probably not super interesting aside from issues with PCI lanes. I'm still not entirely sure whether my X470 will work with Zen3, and forward compatibility is always a big if. Maybe the chipset's supported, but the BIOS updates also need to work well. And Zen+ was a mess in terms of BIOS support until months after launch. And when I upgraded, the Nvidia GPU market was a mess because of Turing just launching, so I decided to just buy a used 1070 and wait until Ampere. On top of having to buy B-die DDR4 at very high prices. There are just an absurd number of variables. So ask yourself which of these things you want to focus on, and make sure you know which are known, and which are unknown. I still made a leap of faith hoping I'd be able to upgrade my Zen+ with a Zen3, but it's still not entirely sure what'll happen in the future. At least GPUs are easily forward compatible, so I'm focusing more on that and a G-Sync monitor in the future. (Even though the monitor market feels slow an unpredictable, too.) ufarn fucked around with this message at 21:55 on Jul 8, 2019 |
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Heads up that buying a mid to high end MSI X570 boards you can get a free Coolermaster AIO with product registration: https://www.msi.com/Promotion/I-Love-You-3000-AMD/
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A good AIO is the one thing I'm missing so far but I don't feel very confident buying any of the existing ones on the market. I think I need to wait for actual reviews on different ones to see if any of them work well with the Ryzen 3000 chip layout.
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Has anyone seen any solid info on how loud the x570 chipset fans are on the lower end boards? I'm not accustomed to spending more than $200 on a Mobo considering i'm not a power user, but I need to be able to at least throttle the RPM if the fan is going to be that small/wizzy. I've seen some anecdotal stuff on reddit that does not sound good at all even on the high end stuff, but I'm just hoping that further bios updates will help.
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Wasn't Zen 2 supposed to be the last CPU that will work with the current socket?
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fargom posted:Has anyone seen any solid info on how loud the x570 chipset fans are on the lower end boards? I'm not accustomed to spending more than $200 on a Mobo considering i'm not a power user, but I need to be able to at least throttle the RPM if the fan is going to be that small/wizzy. I've seen some anecdotal stuff on reddit that does not sound good at all even on the high end stuff, but I'm just hoping that further bios updates will help. All I know is that people were a little upset with the Gigabyte AORUS fans, but in an AMA today on /r/AMD they said they are going to release some fan control updates in a future BIOS version for all models (possibly released tomorrow). EDIT: https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/camq8h/ama_with_the_aorus_team_aorus_x570_motherboards/et9u2ca/
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Fan control software for motherboard fans, what a time to be alive.
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Paul MaudDib posted:there's no way to win in tech, you're either buying at launch and putting up with scarcity, price gouging, and driver issues, or you're buying something that is halfway to being replaced by the new hotness... and the cycle repeats. Or like me who buys a month before Zen2 is announced  But I got a good deal on the new setup so I don't mind. I'm probably going to wait for the DDR5 chips to drop then consider upgrading
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Nalin posted:All I know is that people were a little upset with the Gigabyte AORUS fans, but in an AMA today on /r/AMD they said they are going to release some fan control updates in a future BIOS version for all models (possibly released tomorrow). Awesome news, seems like a no brainer to just let people control it like we do case fans. And yes, this is quite a time to be alive with active cooling back on the chipset.
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Can someone who is knowledgeable let me know if the Pro Carbon WiFi looks like a solid board? I'm thinking of picking that up for $300 to snag the free cooler. Would be on a 3900x Zotix fucked around with this message at 23:05 on Jul 8, 2019 |
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iospace posted:Or like me who buys a month before Zen2 is announced buying last-gen can be a great deal but it's often better to wait until after the new new is launched. I expect 2000 series is probably going to get knocked down to the levels the 1000 series are currently selling before too long here. Buying 1000 series at this point isn't a terrible deal if that's what you want. No telling how long 1000 series chips are going to last. Could be a while, could be done.
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Has anyone seen word on when the asrock x570 matx board is reaching retail?
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 https://www.bcnretail.com/market/detail/20190703_126041.html Site collates nationwide POS data from major retailers in Japan, shows Intel has been hemorrhaging marketshare amongst DIY builders to AMD over the past nine months.
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Cojawfee posted:In other news. I bought the 3600 from Newegg. I don't think I want to spend the money on the 3700x and things seem to say that the 3600 and 3600x have about the same performance, so only spending 200 dollars is fine by me. What board do people recommend between 1-200 dollars? I'm used to Asus stuff I was thinking about getting this Asus prime X470 board. All the X570 boards seem to be above 200 dollars. Is X470 ok or am I going to end up limiting myself in some way? The Asus board has pretty much what I need. A bunch of USB 3 ports, 5.1 sound, and M.2. For a budget build like that, good old MSI B450 Tomahawk should be the way to go: https://www.amazon.com/MSI-Crossfire-Motherboard-B450-Tomahawk/dp/B07F7W5KJS/ Be sure to update the Bios of a 400 board before you plug in the CPU. Procedure will vary for other brands/models. Version numbers are outdated. 
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Alucardd posted:Heads up that buying a mid to high end MSI X570 boards you can get a free Coolermaster AIO with product registration: https://www.msi.com/Promotion/I-Love-You-3000-AMD/ This doesn't seem to apply to the US and Canada. https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/caoa3d/warning_msi_free_aio_wx570_mobo_promotion_is_not/
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Quick PSA, my NowInStock alert flared up for 3900X on Amazon. Unfortunately it's a third party seller that named themselves an AMD Authorized Reseller and their reviews are mostly kitchen items. Don't get scammed.
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It's ridiculous Amazon sent an email for the store selling those and linked it right from the actual AMD amazon store page. For what it's worth, I back ordered a 3900x from Newegg yesterday and expected to have to wait a while but it shipped this morning.
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Paul MaudDib posted:buying last-gen can be a great deal but it's often better to wait until after the new new is launched. I expect 2000 series is probably going to get knocked down to the levels the 1000 series are currently selling before too long here. It was 200 for a 2700. I feel I got a good deal
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r/AMD has a couple of threads full of people who are angry that their 3900X doesn't hit maximum boost on all cores, while gaming. The pragmatist in me wants to say "Why would you ever think it would do that? Also, why are you buying this workstation-in-all-but-name CPU for vidya games?", but uh... This, the multiple BIOS issues. the multiple Linux driver issues, and the supply issues, are making me think there should be an AMD variant  smiley.Edit, speaking of, here's an update on the systemd issue https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Ryzen-3K-RdRand-Systemd-Maybe mdxi fucked around with this message at 00:17 on Jul 9, 2019 |
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Launches for both AMD and Intel have been feeling like the old days lately. Namely, rushed and slapped together. Ridiculously bad BIOS, things in the marketing materials not actually working for months (Speed Shift on Z370) or getting mysteriously dropped right before launch and left to board makers to resurrect (PBO on B450/X470), lovely availability, staggered launches with like 1 SKU a month or 1 chipset at launch, lots of weird misinformation or bad communication etc.
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ConanTheLibrarian posted:Wasn't Zen 2 supposed to be the last CPU that will work with the current socket? Zen3 has been confirmed to be DDR4 by an AMD rep in an Anandtech interview, which basically guarantees the 4000 series will be AM4 compatible. It's the 5000 series (Zen4) which will have a new socket in 2021/22 to accommodate migrating to DDR5, and even that's not a guarantee there won't be compatible Zen4 processors for AM4 either since moving the I/O to a separate die means AMD can support AM4 indefinitely, and if DDR5 is still expensive as gently caress it'd make sense to make an I/O die with a DDR4 and DDR5 IMC. Knowing AMD they'll try to release the 5000 series with DDR5 and PCIE5 on May 5th.
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Hackan Slash posted:This doesn't seem to apply to the US and Canada. oh boo 
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EmpyreanFlux posted:Zen3 has been confirmed to be DDR4 by an AMD rep in an Anandtech interview, Starting to think I should hold onto my B450/1600/3200-16 rig until Zen3 just because the price war between AMD and Intel may be in full swing by then.
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Craptacular! posted:Starting to think I should hold onto my B450/1600/3200-16 rig until Zen3 just because the price war between AMD and Intel may be in full swing by then.
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Craptacular! posted:Starting to think I should hold onto my B450/1600/3200-16 rig until Zen3 just because the price war between AMD and Intel may be in full swing by then.
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mdxi posted:r/AMD has a couple of threads full of people who are angry that their 3900X doesn't hit maximum boost on all cores, while gaming. The pragmatist in me wants to say "Why would you ever think it would do that? Also, why are you buying this workstation-in-all-but-name CPU for vidya games?", but uh... I can see being mad if it never hits max boost in lightly threaded workloads since there seems to actually be some issues there according to Robert Hallock but anyone expecting max boost all core must have really not been paying attention to Ryzen before now, the 3900X behaves just like a 2700X would just with everything moved up 250Mhz or so.
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ufarn posted:Fan control software for motherboard fans, what a time to be alive. Apparently one reviewer has done some testing and disabled the motherboard fan entirely and temps were exactly the same as with it on. It made no difference w. running a single pcie4 m2 drive.  So maybe unless you are planning on running m2 raid you can just pop that fan off entirely.
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I was under the impression all the power draw came from PCI 4. I'm not exactly sure how the compatibility works, but shouldn't it not happen if you're only using PCI 3?
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xgalaxy posted:Apparently one reviewer has done some testing and disabled the motherboard fan entirely and temps were exactly the same as with it on. It made no difference w. running a single pcie4 m2 drive. Speaking of this, the initial AT article mentioned that there were two version of X570 in the wild. An 11w TDP and a 15w TDP. The 11w supported 8x/8x/4x on the PCIe 16 slots (with the last 4x coming off the chipset) and the 15w supported 8x/8x/8x with 4 extra PCIe lanes enabled. They've since took that paragraph out of the article. I think it might be the same silicon but maybe an up-down TDP based on how the motherboard makers implement it? The ASUS WS board and all the high end boards seem to have the 8/8/8 option (and bigger coolers), but the low ends do seem to all be 8/8/4. I imagine 8/8/4 is easier/cheaper to layout, and considering AMD is apparently charging $30-40 for the X570 package alone, maybe the lower TDP option was to cut some price out of the fan/pcie traces?
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ItBreathes posted:I was under the impression all the power draw came from PCI 4. I'm not exactly sure how the compatibility works, but shouldn't it not happen if you're only using PCI 3? der8aur hacked one of his X570 boards to intercept all the power going to the chipset to get precise power draw readings. In his tests the additional power usage with PCIe 3 vs 4 peripherals is less than a watt and either way passive cooling with any amount of case airflow should have been sufficient: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qk3PD-4zPN0&t=841s (Timestamped on the power use chart.) Between X570 and the 5700 it looks like AMD is just addicted to unnecessarily loud cooling solutions for their products. Mr.Radar fucked around with this message at 02:09 on Jul 9, 2019 |
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Khorne posted:Intel's 14nm capacity should massively increase in Q4. They could go to war then. If it doesn't, they're hosed and they literally have to sit out the holiday with nothing. If it does, they have to respond with price cuts or same difference. I hope they shower us with half-off 9900Ks to keep us warm over the winter.
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Mr.Radar posted:der8aur hacked one of his X570 boards to intercept all the power going to the chipset to get precise power draw readings. In his tests the additional power usage with PCIe 3 vs 4 peripherals is less than a watt and either way passive cooling with any amount of case airflow should have been sufficient: I really liked his point about having a passive heatsink and using the surrounding space to put a better solution. Him looking befuddled at the design is really something.
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Old motherboards had multiple copper heatsinks, connected by heatpipes. Time to start manufacturing them again? At least the mobo prices should cover the expense..
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Proper heatsinks instead of those stylised aluminium blocks, that'd already help.
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Steve gettin fiesty about the bios stuff goin round, some of the marketing choices, and everything: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUQ9iUyd0uM
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mdxi posted:r/AMD has a couple of threads full of people who are angry that their 3900X doesn't hit maximum boost on all cores, while gaming. The pragmatist in me wants to say "Why would you ever think it would do that? Also, why are you buying this workstation-in-all-but-name CPU for vidya games?", but uh... quote:Edit, speaking of, here's an update on the systemd issue https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Ryzen-3K-RdRand-Systemd-Maybe Is this the “Linux doesn’t run on Zen2” thing I heard about? I thought it was a kernel issue. If it’s systemd, try MX Linux since it’s the most newbie friendly of the distros for people who think Poettering wants to destroy UNIX.
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Cygni posted:Steve gettin fiesty about the bios stuff goin round, some of the marketing choices, and everything: I love his content but it weirds me out how much he looks and sounds like Jason Segel's (slightly) nerdier younger brother. I can't be the only person who sees this
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