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Son of Sam-I-Am posted:Final Frontier was also filmed during a writers' strike, wasn't it? Not quite. What happened is the WGA went on strike right when Shatner, Bennett and David Loughery had essentially cracked the story. When the strike ended, Loughery had about a month to write the script. The Final Frontier was essentially shot with a first-draft script. Also, the Teamsters went on strike like a day or two before principal photography began. That didn't help matters. skasion posted:Didn’t Generations also blow a ton of money on the Stellar Cartography set that ended up being in one scene? Yes, Herman Zimmerman built a huge, sprawling set for Stellar Cartography, but painted all the pylons with a glossy silver, being a dumbass and not realizing that this would lead to significant spill issues on the giant loving blue screen. They had to waste a day of an already-rushed filming schedule because the crew had to put dulling spray on everything. Farmer Crack-rear end posted:I think Insurrection wound up spending a shitload of money on building the Baku village twice. Yeah, Insurrection wound up being the most-expensive of the TNG movies because they wound up having to go back and re-shoot about 20 - 25 minutes of the movie because it tested incredibly poorly. All that location shooting is a lot more expensive than shooting on a soundstage. First Contact's chicanery was during pre-production, when Moore and Braga weren't getting a script done that everyone liked. Stewart had a clause in his contract stating that he could bring in a writer of his own after a certain amount of time, so he hired Ross LaManna, the eminent auteur who wrote Rush Hour, to take over for Moore and Braga. His poo poo wound up sucking so much that Moore and Braga were put back on the movie almost immediately.
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Jul 8, 2019 18:13
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Roving Parisian gangs burn the Picard vineyards to the ground, forcing John Luc back into Starfleet.
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Generations was in a uniquely weird spot as far as Star Trek movies go. It came out just 6 months after its TV counterpart ended... and said TV show had been wrapped up very elegantly, on its own terms. So like, what do you do with that? What story do you tell? The result feels like they had a hard time answering those questions.
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Timby posted:First Contact's chicanery was during pre-production, when Moore and Braga weren't getting a script done that everyone liked. Stewart had a clause in his contract stating that he could bring in a writer of his own after a certain amount of time, so he hired Ross LaManna, the eminent auteur who wrote Rush Hour, to take over for Moore and Braga. Thank goodness Patrick doesn't have any control of STP.
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Minidust posted:Generations was in a uniquely weird spot as far as Star Trek movies go. It came out just 6 months after its TV counterpart ended... and said TV show had been wrapped up very elegantly, on its own terms. Weren't the movie and the finale being done at the exact same time by the same people?
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Astroman posted:Getting from the saucer section to the engineering hull is the secondmost underappreciated accomplishment one can make in their Starfleet career. The only way I can figure out how to get from one hull to the other in the Oberth is if the turbolifts are Willy Wonka style and fly through the space between.
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Nullsmack posted:The only way I can figure out how to get from one hull to the other in the Oberth is if the turbolifts are Willy Wonka style and fly through the space between. I have never entirely understood the scale and structure of the Galaxy class due to it's 'neck.' To me that has always looked too thin and I don't understand how you turbolift from the bridge to engineering through it.
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The best part about the Duras sisters were that one's name ended in "a" and the other in "r" so you got to hear how silly Patrick Stewart's accent was as he kept saying "Lursor" and "Beta."
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Snow Cone Capone posted:I hope the Picard Vineyards are a major plot point in the new show, but in a thoughtful TNG way and not a dumb Disco way. Why do you still have hope *grabs you by the shoulders and begins shaking you violently* why do you still have hope
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CPColin posted:The best part about the Duras sisters were that one's name ended in "a" and the other in "r" so you got to hear how silly Patrick Stewart's accent was as he kept saying "Lursor" and "Beta." That drove 10-year-old me nuts when I saw Generations in the theater. The only worse line reading is in Undiscovered Country, when Kim Cattrall puts the absolute wrong emphasis when delivering, "Captain, may I remind you that regulations specify thrusters only while in Spacedock."
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marktheando posted:Times Arrow is great.
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Orv posted:Roving Parisian gangs burn the Picard vineyards to the ground, forcing John Luc
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Nullsmack posted:The only way I can figure out how to get from one hull to the other in the Oberth is if the turbolifts are Willy Wonka style and fly through the space between. I'm pretty sure there's a background animation in Insurrection that shows the turbolift going through the Enterprise-E, and it includes it going horizontally. I know it's not the same time period, but it's still probable.
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That's just the first episode of course.
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The internet is like a public toilet - necessary in many cases and overall a societal boon, but there are assholes everywhere and someone always tries to make a mess.
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Orv posted:That's just the first episode of course. Oh oh and Brent Spiner should be The Voice of The Buggy
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Um the turbolift is seen to go sideways in TOS fer cryin' out loud. Dunno which episode(s) offhand, but I distinctly recall the high-pitched tone stopping and resuming while the lines in the little window thing switch from sweeping vertically to horizontally.
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Tighclops posted:Why do you still have hope Disco was stupid but not the massive abomination people seem to think it was. Picard will be fine. e: in terms of using older IP/characters in newer shows, I think most people would agree that the absolute highlight of Disco across both seasons was Pike.
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Hipster_Doofus posted:Um the turbolift is seen to go sideways in TOS fer cryin' out loud. Dunno which episode(s) offhand Probably every scene with a turbolift.
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Hipster_Doofus posted:Um the turbolift is seen to go sideways in TOS fer cryin' out loud. Dunno which episode(s) offhand, but I distinctly recall the high-pitched tone stopping and resuming while the lines in the little window thing switch from sweeping vertically to horizontally. Red letter media showed a diagram during their Star Trek 2009 review. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIYfr_9Zpwk&t=256s 4:16 if the timestamp doesn't work.
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^^^EDIT: That's a cool video. I think it's well established that the turbolift cars can move vertically and horizontally, which I guess is like the Willy Wonka elevator but I was referring to the end of that movie/book where it flies out of its rails into the sky. It's possible that the ones on the Oberth can fly out of the main hull straight to the engineering hull.
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Nullsmack posted:^^^EDIT: That's a cool video. It's always hilarious when the ship starts maneuvering while a turbolift is making the "jump" between sections, and instead of sliding neatly into the receptacle on the other section, they go SPLAT into a million pieces a few meters to one side.
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Hipster_Doofus posted:Um the turbolift is seen to go sideways in TOS fer cryin' out loud. Dunno which episode(s) offhand, but I distinctly recall the high-pitched tone stopping and resuming while the lines in the little window thing switch from sweeping vertically to horizontally. gene had deeply ruminated on all the relevant lore aforehand. it was mostly alien dick sizes but turbbolifts were also in there
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lost my old email posted:gene had deeply ruminated on all the relevant lore aforehand. it was mostly alien dick sizes but turbbolifts were also in there Waves and Waves of cum just flowing out of the turbolift.
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I have to admit, "he likes it in Jeffrey's tube" is an inspired line.
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Powered Descent posted:It's always hilarious when the ship starts maneuvering while a turbolift is making the "jump" between sections, and instead of sliding neatly into the receptacle on the other section, they go SPLAT into a million pieces a few meters to one side. Uh hello, tractor beams.
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I hear if you jump right before the turbolift impacts the hull, you’ll be alright
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BioEnchanted posted:The internet is like a public toilet - necessary in many cases and overall a societal boon, but there are assholes everywhere and someone always tries to make a mess. ...?
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skasion posted:I hear if you jump right before the turbolift impacts the hull, you’ll be alright Maybe the Oberth was a prototype design for site-to-site transport.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:Also there was some ~orbital skydiving~ scene with Kirk they shot that was cut. Shatner's stunt double got injured during filming as the parachute didn't open. Don't think that had anything to do with the scene being cut though. Re: Oberth turbolifts. The turbonerd who runs ex-astris-scientia.org did some caculations and apparently the struts between the saucer and engineering hulls are too thin for a turbolift to pass through.
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1000 Brown M and Ms posted:Re: Oberth turbolifts. The turbonerd who runs ex-astris-scientia.org did some caculations and apparently the struts between the saucer and engineering hulls are too thin for a turbolift to pass through. they get transported through the narrow bit obvs
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Powered Descent posted:It's always hilarious when the ship starts maneuvering while a turbolift is making the "jump" between sections, and instead of sliding neatly into the receptacle on the other section, they go SPLAT into a million pieces a few meters to one side. I'm imagining each one has thrusters and or some system to compensate for that sort of thing. Though it is hilarious to consider if it just shoots it out one side and then receives it on the other. What if you could step into a turbolift on one bridge and request it deliver you to the bridge of another nearby compatible ship directly?
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turbolifts move at supra warp speeds and plot relevant conversations are how the human mind interprets the delizardification process
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Nullsmack posted:
It worked fine in well over 99% of simulations What could go wrong
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The Bloop posted:It worked fine in well over 99% of simulations Great, we can slap a "More reliable than transporters" sticker on the thing.
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Nullsmack posted:What if you could step into a turbolift on one bridge and request it deliver you to the bridge of another nearby compatible ship directly? Make the turbolift shafts a bit bigger and you can arrange things so that the lift cars actually ARE full-fledged shuttlecraft. You just step in and tell it where you want to go, whether that's "Deck 10" or "Romulus", and it takes you there.
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willy wonka had this technology back in the 60's wrap it up star failures
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Actually the dumbest version of the Wonkavator ever put on film was in DISCO
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lost my old email posted:turbolifts move at supra warp speeds and plot relevant conversations are how the human mind interprets the delizardification process The Oberth-class turbolifts move at warp 10. Step inside, the door closes, and you're instantaneously at your destination in the secondary hull. You're also everywhere else on the universe at the same time, but that's an engineering problem. I'm sure they'll have it solved any day now. Our people are on the threshold of success.
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