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BUG JUG
Feb 17, 2005



Alan Smithee posted:

Kickstarter bible: disrupting Big Clergy. Top stretch goal gives you a jesus sculpture

One weird trick the Fourth Latearan Council doesn't want you to know!

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KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



Runner-up, TRP Sack Race 2021/22
I’m the six thousand dollars a year in auto insurance.

spwrozek
Sep 4, 2006

Sail when it's windy

A guy who works for me has about $400k in a brokerage and said he pulled it all into his money market account. A correction is a coming... 5% more gains not worth a 60% loss. At least he also noted that his tax bill will be high and is aware for next year. Says he will kept it as cash until April 2021.

Moneyball
Jul 11, 2005

It's a problem you think we need to explain ourselves.
Seems legit

Nocheez
Sep 5, 2000

Can you spare a little cheddar?
Nap Ghost

KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:

I’m the six thousand dollars a year in auto insurance.

Yet no car payments? There's no way this guy is buying cars with cash.

Hoodwinker
Nov 7, 2005

spwrozek posted:

A guy who works for me has about $400k in a brokerage and said he pulled it all into his money market account. A correction is a coming... 5% more gains not worth a 60% loss. At least he also noted that his tax bill will be high and is aware for next year. Says he will kept it as cash until April 2021.
I'm still recalling a friend's girlfriend who pulled all of her money out of the market when Trump got elected.

You know, when the S&P was 65% of what it is now.

Thesaurus
Oct 3, 2004


My favorite part is the contrast between highs and lows. Only $40/month on phones!

Moneyball
Jul 11, 2005

It's a problem you think we need to explain ourselves.

Hoodwinker posted:

I'm still recalling a friend's girlfriend who pulled all of her money out of the market when Trump got elected.

You know, when the S&P was 65% of what it is now.

Well the world was ending, so that's understandable.

Raldikuk
Apr 7, 2006

I'm bad with money and I want that meatball!

Thesaurus posted:

My favorite part is the contrast between highs and lows. Only $40/month on phones!

The buried lede on that is they both have work pay for their phones so the $40/mo is for an "emergency" phone... which is about what I pay for my actual phone plan lmfao

spwrozek
Sep 4, 2006

Sail when it's windy

Raldikuk posted:

The buried lede on that is they both have work pay for their phones so the $40/mo is for an "emergency" phone... which is about what I pay for my actual phone plan lmfao

Shouldn't an "emergency phone" be a $20 burner with 100 minutes on a Sim card? So like $25 one time cost.

Shipon
Nov 7, 2005

Hoodwinker posted:

I'm still recalling a friend's girlfriend who pulled all of her money out of the market when Trump got elected.

You know, when the S&P was 65% of what it is now.

can you really morally profit off the market movements since his election though?

for that matter, all the shaming of people in here who choose to invest their conscience and what they believe in instead of just pouring it into some autonomous index fund that has no relevance to any specific idea, no wonder things are so hosed

golden bubble
Jun 3, 2011

yospos

Alan Smithee posted:

Kickstarter bible: disrupting Big Clergy. Top stretch goal gives you a jesus sculpture

We remember the Gutenburg bible, because it was cool. But it really was a prestige project. In order for a printing press to survive as a business in the first 50 years of printing presses existing, they needed to rely in smaller, regular printing jobs. That means mass producing lovely textbooks, mass public pamphlets, and indulgences. By this point in the late 15th century, indulgences had become standardized. A single print run for an indulgence would involve printing thousands of standardized forms saying that your "sins are forgiven by archbishop __________, for helping fund the religious project to ________________" but in fancy latin. Gutenberg completed several indulgence print runs while he was working on his grand bible. The largest run of indulgences in the period was a print run for 190,000 standardized indulgence forms. These print runs would keep a press afloat for several months until they could secure another major print job. Of course, sometimes that isn't enough. Many printers when bankrupt in those early years, and there are surviving letters from printers begging the local bishop to please order some more indulgence forms from our business, or we will go bankrupt before the end of the year.

As for some more recent BWM

quote:

I won't go into why this happened but I didn't pay taxes or file for any extension this year or last year. And I'm feeling a bit overwhelmed by the task of doing my taxes. In 2017 I had two jobs and started grad school. One of the jobs provided insurance but I relied on my parent's insurance while I worked the other job and for the gaps. I'm not sure what documents I might need to prove that I had insurance the whole time. I'm not sure how to pay taxes for grad school in general, if it depends on my funding sources, etc. I traded cryptocurrencies throughout the past two years and have no idea where to begin when it comes to paying taxes for that (I have not kept track of how much I made). At this point should I just hire a tax specialist? How much is that likely to cost me? Is there a flow chart or checklist which I could work through to at least get a start and figure out what documents and forms I have to collect? Any help at all would be greatly appreciated.

golden bubble fucked around with this message at 21:04 on Jul 9, 2019

GoGoGadgetChris
Mar 18, 2010

i powder a
granite monument
in a soundless flash

showering the grass
with molten drops of
its gold inlay

sending smoking
chips of stone
skipping into the fog

Shipon posted:

can you really morally profit off the market movements since his election though?



Yes, but also Maybe, or even No depending on your views on capitalism

Shipon posted:

for that matter, all the shaming of people in here who choose to invest their conscience and what they believe in instead of just pouring it into some autonomous index fund that has no relevance to any specific idea, no wonder things are so hosed

Hoodwinker
Nov 7, 2005

Shipon posted:

can you really morally profit off the market movements since his election though?

for that matter, all the shaming of people in here who choose to invest their conscience and what they believe in instead of just pouring it into some autonomous index fund that has no relevance to any specific idea, no wonder things are so hosed
She didn't pull out of the market because of moral conscience. She was trying to time the market.

Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

✨sparkle and shine✨

Shipon posted:

people in here who choose to invest their conscience and what they believe in instead of just pouring it into some autonomous index fund that has no relevance to any specific idea

Do you have any examples in mind? Does “I need a new car” count?

Shipon
Nov 7, 2005

Subjunctive posted:

Do you have any examples in mind? Does “I need a new car” count?

i'm talking about the people who choose to invest in a specific industry they want to boost but everyone tells them to just put that money in some broad index fund. isn't that supposed to be the entire point of the market, that you can choose to put your money towards what you believe is a good idea and think will succeed?

Magnetic North
Dec 15, 2008

Beware the Forest's Mushrooms

Shipon posted:

i'm talking about the people who choose to invest in a specific industry they want to boost but everyone tells them to just put that money in some broad index fund. isn't that supposed to be the entire point of the market, that you can choose to put your money towards what you believe is a good idea and think will succeed?

The point of the market is to make loving money. Usually at the expense of someone else.

Hoodwinker
Nov 7, 2005

Shipon posted:

i'm talking about the people who choose to invest in a specific industry they want to boost but everyone tells them to just put that money in some broad index fund. isn't that supposed to be the entire point of the market, that you can choose to put your money towards what you believe is a good idea and think will succeed?
Are you seriously mad about index funds?

Largely - and I say this from years of reading stories just like all the other regulars in the thread - the people who choose to invest in a given industry aren't doing so out of morality, but out of seeking a higher profit. If somebody came to me and said, "I think solar power is important, and I've done my research and believe I can both receive a moderate return and provide a reasonably positive impact on the industry by investing in these companies/this index." I'd tell them good luck and I hope they're right because the world needs optimists. But I don't hear that. I hear, "Bro did you hear how good weed stocks are doing?"

Moneyball
Jul 11, 2005

It's a problem you think we need to explain ourselves.
I invest mainly in gun manufacturers, oil companies, and pharmaceuticals, myself

Hoodwinker
Nov 7, 2005

Simpsons Reference posted:

I invest mainly in gun manufacturers, oil companies, and pharmaceuticals, myself
I just drive around in my Ford F-150 shooting my AR-15 wildly into the air while popping xanax. That counts, right?

Risky Bisquick
Jan 18, 2008

PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.



Buglord

Volkerball posted:

Spends 60k a year on food and clothes lol

Instagram, funding his wifes hobby out of his net income :discourse:

BMan
Oct 31, 2015

KNIIIIIIFE
EEEEEYYYYE
ATTAAAACK


Buying stocks on the secondary market doesn't actually help the company

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.

Simpsons Reference posted:

I invest mainly in gun manufacturers, oil companies, and pharmaceuticals, myself

Canned food and shotguns, here.

Barry
Aug 1, 2003

Hardened Criminal

Simpsons Reference posted:

I invest mainly in gun manufacturers, oil companies, and pharmaceuticals, myself

Yes but tell us about your stock portfolio, not your hobbies

GoGoGadgetChris
Mar 18, 2010

i powder a
granite monument
in a soundless flash

showering the grass
with molten drops of
its gold inlay

sending smoking
chips of stone
skipping into the fog

Shipon posted:

i'm talking about the people who choose to invest in a specific industry they want to boost but everyone tells them to just put that money in some broad index fund. isn't that supposed to be the entire point of the market, that you can choose to put your money towards what you believe is a good idea and think will succeed?

You'll get different investment advice in BFC than you would in D&D or C-SPAM. BFC is generally profit motivated.

Ghostnuke
Sep 21, 2005

Throw this in a pot, add some broth, a potato? Baby you got a stew going!


lol, we're all just trying to retire someday without eating cat food bro

lament.cfg
Dec 28, 2006

we have such posts
to show you




Dik Hz
Feb 22, 2004

Fun with Science

BMan posted:

Buying stocks on the secondary market doesn't actually help the company
It does by increasing their valuation. You're buying a share that someone else held and decided to sell to you, because you think it is worth more than he does. This increases the valuation of the company.

crazypeltast52
May 5, 2010



Hoodwinker posted:

I just drive around in my Ford F-150 shooting my AR-15 wildly into the air while popping xanax. That counts, right?

Same, but I also have a bottle of jack in the cupholder and a pack of cigs.

Sundae
Dec 1, 2005

What if I consume the wealthy?

GoGoGadgetChris
Mar 18, 2010

i powder a
granite monument
in a soundless flash

showering the grass
with molten drops of
its gold inlay

sending smoking
chips of stone
skipping into the fog

Sundae posted:

What if I consume the wealthy?

Choking hazard, be sure to slice it into manageable bites first

Mantle
May 15, 2004

Dik Hz posted:

It does by increasing their valuation. You're buying a share that someone else held and decided to sell to you, because you think it is worth more than he does. This increases the valuation of the company.

But at the exact same time of the transaction, the valuation of the company was decreased by someone selling a share...

Residency Evil
Jul 28, 2003

4/5 godo... Schumi
Please keep the d&d out of my BWM thanks.

Volkerball
Oct 15, 2009

by FactsAreUseless

Ghostnuke posted:

lol, we're all just trying to retire someday without eating cat food bro

Speak for yourself. I'll still eat cat food when I'm 90 so that I can manage my millions for Jesus.

Krispy Wafer
Jul 26, 2002

I shouted out "Free the exposed 67"
But they stood on my hair and told me I was fat

Grimey Drawer
Wait, is this wet cat food or dry?

And yes, the distinction is important.

Raldikuk
Apr 7, 2006

I'm bad with money and I want that meatball!

Shipon posted:

i'm talking about the people who choose to invest in a specific industry they want to boost but everyone tells them to just put that money in some broad index fund. isn't that supposed to be the entire point of the market, that you can choose to put your money towards what you believe is a good idea and think will succeed?

Most people investing on these here forums are doing so with the goal of retirment in mind. They're trying to find a relatively safe place to store money over the long haul to build a nest egg. Total market index funds are the absolute best vehicle for this. It is a bet on the US economy essentially (for US equity total market)...so if you're feeling it is immoral to invest there then it would also be immoral to work for any traded company (which might be your belief...)

What you're talking about with trying to invest in new companies and industries is what people like venture capitalists do.... but those are peeps with 10s of millions to billions.

For your average joe there's no amount they can invest that would be meaningful for a company or industry. And if they tried they would be creating huge risks for themselves by not diversifying. So yeah it will get a ton of pushback especially if they state their goal is something like retirement. If your goal is to gamble I'm sure people will be fine with it.

Orange DeviI
Nov 9, 2011

by Hand Knit
I'm so wealthy I eat cats

colachute
Mar 15, 2015

Wet cat food is very BWM.

Cassius Belli
May 22, 2010

horny is prohibited

Shipon posted:

i'm talking about the people who choose to invest in a specific industry they want to boost but everyone tells them to just put that money in some broad index fund. isn't that supposed to be the entire point of the market, that you can choose to put your money towards what you believe is a good idea and think will succeed?

On a not-Ultra-High-Net-Worth scale, the best way to boost a specific industry through investment is to invest your money in an index fund and plow some of your dividends into buying that industry's products.

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Midjack
Dec 24, 2007



Simpsons Reference posted:

I invest mainly in gun manufacturers, oil companies, and pharmaceuticals, myself

The Thank You for Smoking strategy.

Barry posted:

Can't wait for this whole influencer thing to just go away.

I’m a practitioner of what Dale Carnegie referees to as “How to Influence People Without Winning Friends.”

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