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Bogart posted:Everything to do with the World and Gaia / Alaya, Other Side of the World, Counter Force, yadda yadda, is confusing. I'd love a video explaining it, but I imagine that would be more of a college course.
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Alard posted:Probably best to not think too hard when they contradict themselves. No they don't contradict themselves. The layer of reality that every human lives on requires the Supernatural to possess Mystery to function. As few people as possible need to know how it works, just that it does. As more people learn about reality and how it all comes together it grows weaker. Rhongomyniad is no exception to this rule. However, if Rhongomyniad's Mystery grows so little it stops functioning properly that means that a different layer of reality with its own rules will come back up.
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J.A.B.C. posted:Absolutely this. Holmes is, in this mode, the absolute soul of a detective. To the point where his Noble Phantasm can reveal the solution to ANY problem, even impossibly unsolvable dilemmas. And as Moriarty points out at the end of the quest, Holmes is too pernicious a detective to leave anything undiscovered. He would, if allowed, solve every problem in existence. Thank you for this. All I got was that Holmes knows all the secrets from the Age of Gods, and everything else went over my head. Maybe I should finally learn what “pernicious” means...
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Also, the Grail only incarnates Saints as Rulers, but Chaldea's summoning system doesn't use the Grail.
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Bogart posted:Also, the Grail only incarnates Saints as Rulers, but Chaldea's summoning system doesn't use the Grail. Isn't the rule for being a Ruler (heh), that you have to have no desire to obtain the Grail AND feel completely impartial towards those who wish to obtain it? That usually means saints, due to the whole "above earthly desires" thing they have going on, but it leaves enough of space for someone like FGO Holmes to qualify.
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You know unless your Amakusa in Apo because that was real stupid and didn't make sense. Least the Christmas event redeemed him a bit in my eyes.
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Jul 9, 2019 08:22
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Amakusa is explicitly because of the Einzberns cheating him onto a Ruler container and because the Throne of Heroes has absolutely terrible QA he was registered as a valid Ruler from then on.
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Makes sense, how many servants have we cheated into the throne by now? 
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Jul 9, 2019 08:33
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You’re making it sound like it’s really easy to hack the Throne of Heroes someone please add Uncle Sam and the Statue of Liberty for me
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Jul 9, 2019 09:11
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al capone servant WHEN
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Pureauthor posted:Amakusa is explicitly because of the Einzberns cheating him onto a Ruler container and because the Throne of Heroes has absolutely terrible QA he was registered as a valid Ruler from then on. loving Einzberns, always ruining grail wars somehow. It's not like the Heaven's Feel ritual needs any help to go pear shaped.
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Jul 9, 2019 10:43
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Ned Kelly would make for a hell of an avenger.
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Bogart posted:Everything to do with the World and Gaia / Alaya, Other Side of the World, Counter Force, yadda yadda, is confusing. This is in keeping with the broader Nasuverse canon, in which most explanations for what is going on are some combination of confusing, nonsensical, and/or stupid.
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Jul 9, 2019 11:52
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Wait so the magic lance is confirmed to be what ended the age of gods and not reason and disbelief? Hmm... so that means that humanity can eradicate so much mystery and eliminate so much magic that they make super magic and gods come back.
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Jul 9, 2019 13:49
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No, if I remember correctly, as far as is currently known in the English storyline, the instigating moment for the end of the Age of Gods was Gilgamesh going all "no you shut the gently caress up dad" on the Babylonian pantheon and leaning into his human side, its just that it wasn't an immediate process.
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Three were three different events that contributed to the end of the Age of Gods. One of them (the second One) was Gilgamesh siding with humans, yes.
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Pulled Da Vinci-chan in the GSSR, presumably to continue my streak of pulling every offensive Caster in the game. Also threw 30 SQ at Holmes and ended up with NP4 Rhyme. Sometimes an assassin-killing family is an inventor, a Buddhist monk, and a book.
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Saigyouji posted:Pulled Da Vinci-chan in the GSSR, presumably to continue my streak of pulling every offensive Caster in the game. Also threw 30 SQ at Holmes and ended up with NP4 Rhyme. Sometimes an assassin-killing family is an inventor, a Buddhist monk, and a book. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jSZO37QV4E
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Bogart posted:Everything to do with the World and Gaia / Alaya, Other Side of the World, Counter Force, yadda yadda, is confusing. It's literally the background of Mage: the Ascension.
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YggdrasilTM posted:It's literally the background of Mage: the Ascension.
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Aurora posted:even if you want to rehash the astolfo and deon discourse enkidu is solidly they Oddly, though, Kingu seemed to be solidly "he". Babylonia was pretty consistent about using "they" for Enkidu but the one reborn as Kingu seemed to mostly use "he". I got the impression the Chaldea servant is the original Enkidu though. Taciturn Tactician fucked around with this message at 16:56 on Jul 9, 2019 |
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Taciturn Tactician posted:Oddly, though, Kingu seemed to be solidly "he". Babylonia was pretty consistent about using "they" for Enkidu but the one reborn as Kingu seemed to mostly use "he". I got the impression the Chaldea servant is the original Enkidu though. Enkidu initially debuted in Fate/Strange Fake and really was just Enkidu, and this is who you summon in the gacha. Kingu is a separate Babylonian deity and Kingu-as-Enkidu is a Grand Order original.
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Enkidu's interlude goes into more detail on Kingu, but the metaphor used is same hardware, different software.
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YggdrasilTM posted:It's literally the background of Mage: the Ascension. Are you suggesting that Rate Up is part of The Lie?
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Roger Explosion posted:Ned Kelly would make for a hell of an avenger. I kinda reflexively flinch whenever people say "[fan servant] would be an Avenger" but I will admit that Ned's got a pretty good claim to the title. Also, It'd probably be pretty mechanically interesting; I have to assume that a Ned Kelly servant would be a very survival-oriented Servant with Invulnerability/Defense Buffs/Damage Cut/Guts as part of his kit, toss a Target Focus/taunt on there and he's got a unique synergy with the Avenger class in that he'll receive neutral damage from most enemies and recieve bonus NP charge from being attacked, plus magical energy restoration filling his NP bar. You could probably make a sort of selfish Mashu or George/d'Eon that way.
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Florian Geyer would be a pretty fun servant, imo, he led the German peasants revolt against the church and nobility and the phrase "no gods no masters" probably originated as a loose translation of the motto he had carved into his sword, "neither cross nor crown"
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Nikiphoros Phokas, known as "The Hammer" to his enemies, "The Avenger of Rome" to his friends, and "The Pale Death of the Saracens" to history.
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Captain America
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I'm still kinda sad that they've never expanded on the Avenger Marie Alter idea from her interludes.
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Rhongomyniad is a "pin" on the current texture of the world one of many (IIRC seven?). Removing one is not immediately dangerous, but it opens the way for somebody to insert their metaphorical crowbar into the metaphorical gap and pry it open once again.J.A.B.C. posted:Also, according to supplementary material, Holmes' baritsu is on the level of an NP, given that his works created a decently popular worldwide art. Which is crazy to think about. quote:Learned an Oriental martial arts that is extremely real combat-oriented. Billzasilver posted:You’re making it sound like it’s really easy to hack the Throne of Heroes It is, however, very hard to delete information from the throne. Or edit it. Or access information outside what's allowed to your time/worldline. To create a new HS, in theory all you'd need is to create a servant-level saint graph, stuff it with a soul, bind it to some grail war system and let it die so the grail war system picks it up and shunts it back to the throne. Sometimes not even that. Whether or not that HS would be accessible outside the wibbly wobbly circumstances of Chaldea is a much trickier question. Kyte fucked around with this message at 21:03 on Jul 9, 2019 |
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Crasical posted:I kinda reflexively flinch whenever people say "[fan servant] would be an Avenger" but I will admit that Ned's got a pretty good claim to the title. Also, It'd probably be pretty mechanically interesting; I have to assume that a Ned Kelly servant would be a very survival-oriented Servant with Invulnerability/Defense Buffs/Damage Cut/Guts as part of his kit, toss a Target Focus/taunt on there and he's got a unique synergy with the Avenger class in that he'll receive neutral damage from most enemies and recieve bonus NP charge from being attacked, plus magical energy restoration filling his NP bar. You could probably make a sort of selfish Mashu or George/d'Eon that way. It'd have to be Armour Of The Kelly Gang as an NP.
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Going by the Dollop episode on him, Ned Kelly also qualifies as an Avenger by being extremely funny.
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Kyte posted:Learned an Oriental martial arts that is extremely real combat-oriented. The conditions are 'he is near a cliff with a waterfall' and it kills him to use it. STELLA.
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Crasical posted:The conditions are 'he is near a cliff with a waterfall' and it kills him to use it. STELLA. No surprise he doesn't even talk about it!
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Crasical posted:The conditions are 'he is near a cliff with a waterfall' and it kills him to use it. STELLA. It looks like he dies, but actually he just gets sent to the backline and shows up again later
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MonsieurChoc posted:Next Halloween Event: Cthulhuland! With the mascot Innsmouth-kun! But Hokusai already covered Cthulhu and Deep Ones.
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Casters Johnny Appleseed and Morgan La Fey Berserker John Henry Archer William Tell Ruler Fred Rogers
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the_steve posted:Casters Johnny Appleseed and Morgan La Fey One of these exists!
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the_steve posted:Archer William Tell They added him last month in JP
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