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Encrypted posted:Get the sony and if you are looking at the Z7 then maybe the A7R III. The focus on the sony is better than the z7 while the lens and adapter makes the sony a much better buy.
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I don't think Nikon's off their game so much as because the mount is a lot newer they just don't have many lenses yet. What they do have are generally good and they are new optical designs and not just their old lenses with adapters glued on. Also not sure what adapter makes the Sony a better buy unless you have a stack of Canon glass lying around. Lens selection is definitely in Sony's favor for native glass at this point though.
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# ? Jul 8, 2019 14:07 |
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Yeah I think for the first attempt the Z6 and Z7 came out great. But they have a LOT of catching up to do and the z mount only has 3(?) lenses right now, so you pretty much need that converter. It would be great if Nikon followed Sony and released the mount specifications to third parties but I doubt they will, this means its going to take the likes of sigma and tamron a while to reverse engineer it.
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# ? Jul 8, 2019 15:27 |
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They're up to 5 now, but it's gonna be a minute for it to fill out. It probably makes the most sense for people who either like the way the body feels or, like me, have a lot of Nikon glass already. The adapter pretty much lives on mine and it's a lot nicer than any other adapter I'd be able to get on other systems.
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# ? Jul 8, 2019 16:33 |
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Mega Comrade posted:To be fair, XQD cards are faster, have larger storage size and more are reliable than SD and I generally think they might be the default format in a 5-10 years time if prices come down. Nikon are just jumping the gun a bit, I can kinda see the Z7 targeting high end justifying it, but the Z6 should have been SD for sure and it will be very dumb if the rumoured Z5 (or whatever they call their new midrange Z cameras) to not take SD cards. UHS-II that goes up to 300MB/s already exist while being backwards compatible to regular ol SD. It's pretty neat too since it's similar to how usb 3.0 has a bunch more pins inside the regular usb 2.0 plug to retain compatibility. There's also UHS-III and SD Express that goes up to 624MB/s and 985MB/s, while they all still work in the ol SD slot. Also it will be interesting to see if Nikon will admit defeat and have SD inside their next camera instead of "we should expand the market of XQD and get more people to use it thus sell more Z7". powderific posted:I don't think Nikon's off their game so much as because the mount is a lot newer they just don't have many lenses yet. What they do have are generally good and they are new optical designs and not just their old lenses with adapters glued on. Also not sure what adapter makes the Sony a better buy unless you have a stack of Canon glass lying around. Lens selection is definitely in Sony's favor for native glass at this point though. Also it's the focusing tech on the nikon that's lacking. https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikon-z7/8 quote:The above roll-over does a good job summing up our experience using the Z7 to track. The example starts midway through the run - all the shots prior those those shown here were critically sharp - but then for seemingly no reason, the Z7 loses focus on the cyclist, settling on the background instead. This behavior proved pervasive throughout many of our subject tracking bike runs. We also noted a similar tendency of the camera to jump to the background when using Face Detect in Auto Area mode, but more on that below. quote:Below is our standard low light Face Detect test, meant to simulate photographing friends or family in an indoor environment with dim lighting. quote:In multiple real-world scenarios, like the one above, we observed Face Detect mistaking distant inanimate objects for faces. When this occurs, the camera is then reticent to refocus on something closer - even an actual, real face - taking up a portion of the frame. quote:One constant frustration we observed while field testing the Z7 is the camera's tendency to hunt in AF-C when shooting in very low light or back-lit subjects. In controlled testing we found the camera started to hunt noticeably in light levels between 0 and -1EV when using the 35mm F1.8 S lens. But even in light levels slightly higher - like in the example above - AF hunting caused missed shots. The nice thing regarding the sony is that it's beating out even the traditional slr camera for focusing on faces. The eye focus alone make it great for f1.2/f1.4 lenses. Canon are trying to do their own eye focus now but it's still not as good while still releasing huge lenses that defeats the physical advantage of mirrorless. quote:The EOS RP is Canon's first camera to offer pupil/eye detection in continuous (Servo) autofocus mode. In principle this means it will track your subject's eye as they move around, making it easy to shoot family and social situations. edit: here have some sony eye focus video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_B-3Ak5sjg It also works on cats, dogs and other animals now too. Encrypted fucked around with this message at 18:29 on Jul 8, 2019 |
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edit: moved my question to the General thread
Easychair Bootson fucked around with this message at 21:46 on Jul 8, 2019 |
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Encrypted posted:UHS-II that goes up to 300MB/s already exist while being backwards compatible to regular ol SD. Ahh didn't know that, that's cool
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# ? Jul 8, 2019 20:20 |
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Nikon did just release a firmware update that improves the AF. I'm sure it's still not up to Sony or their DSLRs but it should be better than before. I'm mostly on manual focus glass though so don't have much personal experience with that end of things.
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# ? Jul 8, 2019 21:21 |
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A brief trip report: I sold my 5D3 and 6D and bought an A7RIII and a Sigma MC-E11. I shot my first wedding with it and a borrowed A7III, 12-24 f/4 G and 24-70 f/2.8 GM, and adapted my EF mount Sigma 24 1.4, Canon 50 1.2, Canon 85 1.8, and Canon 70-200 2.8 IS II. On the whole, I'm thrilled. My #1 concern was autofocus, particularly in the dark, but both cameras performed really well, and my AF keeper rate is actually higher with the Sony cameras than it was on my Canons, particularly thanks to Eye and Face AF which are goddamn magical. The cameras kept up well even as the lights went down. The other feature that surprised me with how much I ended up using it is the tilting screen. I tend to shoot a lot of candids and like to have a good rapport as well, so being able to just tilt out the screen while still getting fast and accurate AF (in addition to composing instead of firing blind) was such a huge convenience. It also helped a lot in getting low and high angles -- less firing blind and less laying flat with my face pushed against the floor. Another surprise convenience: reviewing photos on the EVF. When it's super bright out, checking focus and exposure in the isolation of the EVF was actually really helpful. One big bummer: my Canon 70-200 f/2.8 IS II focuses like _ass_ on the Sony cameras. Unless the subject is stationary, I won't use it, and even then it's pretty drat iffy. I'm going to need to sell that and either buy the Sony 70-200 (which is so goddamn expensive, jesus christ) or reevaluate. The Sigma 135 1.8 looks tempting, but I don't know if I want to lose the flexibility of the 70-200. It's a really convenient focal length, especially during ceremonies. I probably won't buy the 12-24 or 24-70. I borrowed them because a. I could, b. I only had 1 MC-E11 and c. it doesn't hurt to have a backup. I've never been a 24-70 guy, and f/4 is rough for weddings. The Sigma 14-24 2.8 is pretty tempting. Either that or the 14mm 1.8, which sounds fun as hell.
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dakana posted:A brief trip report: I sold my 5D3 and 6D and bought an A7RIII and a Sigma MC-E11. Yeah, a tilting LCD is one thing I never knew I needed until I got my NEX-3 all those years ago, won't buy a camera without it now. Does the Metabones work any better with the 70-200 2.8? I agree that the prices on Sony glass are eye-watering, stinks not having the 30 year pool of secondhand glass that EF does. Out of curiousity, what do you shoot with if not a 24-70 2.8 for weddings? Just primes?
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dakana posted:A brief trip report: I sold my 5D3 and 6D and bought an A7RIII and a Sigma MC-E11. Try renting the new sigma 70-200 2.8 sport/art or whatever they call it. The tamron 70-200 2.8 was ok on my a7iii but nothing like native canon glass on a canon body. I came from canon and was vey reluctant to switch. The first wedding I shot with my a7iii felt like cheating. I instantly increased my keepers due to high iso performance and accuracy of focus. It was insane. It opened up a lot of flexibility with low light that would have never been usable with my old canon setup. The eye AF was surprisingly good and accurate. I feel if anything, older canon lenses struggled to focus quickly or accurately. I've had a few lenses hunt on occasion, specifically older 70-200 variations. Sigma art lenses though ... those things work like magic.
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Ethics_Gradient posted:Out of curiousity, what do you shoot with if not a 24-70 2.8 for weddings? Just primes? Yeah my boy dakana has a huge pile o' primes
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Yeah the 70-200 ii doesn’t seem to focus that well with the adapter. But i haven’t tried the new firmware with it yet. The 35 1.4 ii, 85 1.2 ii and 135 f2 all work well though and so does the 16-35 iii so eh
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Got a baby on the way. Thinking of getting a fast prime for my XT-20 so I can use it indoors in lower light. Recommendations? Was thinking 35mm but wondered if I’d need wider, e.g. 23mm?
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Encrypted posted:UHS-II that goes up to 300MB/s already exist while being backwards compatible to regular ol SD. The second generation of CFExpress (when they eventually release the first generation) is pencilled in for a transfer speed of >7GB/s. It might not make sense for small form consumer targeted camera, but that'd be great for people shooting lots of 4K video...
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Lady Gaza posted:Got a baby on the way. Thinking of getting a fast prime for my XT-20 so I can use it indoors in lower light. Recommendations? Was thinking 35mm but wondered if I’d need wider, e.g. 23mm? I keep a camera with the 23mm 1.4 on it in the living area at all times after I just had a baby. I never change it from 1.4.
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Lady Gaza posted:Got a baby on the way. Thinking of getting a fast prime for my XT-20 so I can use it indoors in lower light. Recommendations? Was thinking 35mm but wondered if I’d need wider, e.g. 23mm? Not Fuji, but my 15mm (30 equiv) 1.7 on my m43 has been the perfect baby/toddler lens for my now 18 month old
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Ethics_Gradient posted:Out of curiousity, what do you shoot with if not a 24-70 2.8 for weddings? Just primes?
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Lady Gaza posted:Got a baby on the way. Thinking of getting a fast prime for my XT-20 so I can use it indoors in lower light. Recommendations? Was thinking 35mm but wondered if I’d need wider, e.g. 23mm? I ended up shooting 90% of my baby photos and videos on a phone because first 6 months all I could use was one hand and the other hand had to hold him. After he began crawling most I shot were videos, and some time lapse. When I use the Fuji gears I use the 16mm mostly. edit: your post made me go back to see the my baby's old photo stream. An stationary infant was so much easier to take photo than a 18 month old who is addictive to run. Even changing diaper is a freaking battle now. tino fucked around with this message at 13:33 on Jul 10, 2019 |
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Ethics_Gradient posted:Yeah, a tilting LCD is one thing I never knew I needed until I got my NEX-3 all those years ago, won't buy a camera without it now. I always kind of thought of it as a gimmick, but that was when live view AF was terrible. Now that phase detect is so good, I agree it's all but an essential feature now. I'm not sure about the Metabones adapter. I'm not sure I'd want to fuss with it, especially for weddings. Might be better off just ditching the 70-200 and either getting the Sony or figuring out my life with a prime. I do still do sports on occasion, though, which makes me lean toward biting the bullet and shelling out for the Sony 70-200. And yeah, I shoot the majority of my wedding stuff with my 24 1.4, 50 1.2, and 85 1.8 -- heavy on the 50. The 70-200 comes in handy for the ceremony and speeches, though. Verman posted:Try renting the new sigma 70-200 2.8 sport/art or whatever they call it. The tamron 70-200 2.8 was ok on my a7iii but nothing like native canon glass on a canon body. I came from canon and was vey reluctant to switch. I may do that! I'm curious about the AF performance of the Sport line. And I definitely agree about the feeling of cheating. It's similar to when I first started shooting with a 1D Mark III after having shot with a Digital Rebel XT and 40D for a long time. There was one time in particular where I got caught off guard and had to whip the camera to my face, mash the AF and start firing a burst, and the A7RIII just nailed every shot, even through the adapter and at f/1.4. ilkhan posted:My wedding was shot with 24-105s and 70-200/2.8's. When I asked he said the iso performance makes up for it, and he gets better range with the -105. Makes sense and I agree with him. I'd rather have the range too. Impressive seeing his camera cases with $20k of equipment in them. Each. I'm still a sucker for the subject isolation I get with my wide apertures, and being able to shoot with higher ss, lower iso, and lower flash power are powerful additional benefits as well. I'd go nuts shooting a wedding with an f/4 lens.
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Capture One Pro doesn't support tethering with the Fuji X-T30, but they do with the X-T3. Is this an intentional move by Fuji to prevent the X-T30 from overlapping too much with the X-T3, or is it possible that C1 might eventually support X-T30 tethering?
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Easychair Bootson posted:Capture One Pro doesn't support tethering with the Fuji X-T30, but they do with the X-T3. Is this an intentional move by Fuji to prevent the X-T30 from overlapping too much with the X-T3, or is it possible that C1 might eventually support X-T30 tethering? They added support for the 30 in February?
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XBenedict posted:They added support for the 30 in February? Where are you seeing that? The X-T30 didn't come out until late March, and their site shows that it does not support tethering with the X-T30. I tried it anyway a few months ago, but as expected, it did not work.
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Easychair Bootson posted:Where are you seeing that? The X-T30 didn't come out until late March, and their site shows that it does not support tethering with the X-T30. I tried it anyway a few months ago, but as expected, it did not work. Sorry. I misread your post vis a vis Tethering. I was just thinking general C1 usage.
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Just a question for youse guys.. I've been using micro 4/3s for about 5 years now and I'm kind of over the low light performance in certain situations for both photo and video. I've pushed my GH5 to the limits over the years with decent results at times, but I just want a change. Been looking at the Z6 to fill my hybird shooting needs. I do have some f mount primes hanging about too. Has anyone used the Z6 with video? How were the video controls? Obviously I won't be getting lovely 4k60p like with the GH5, but as long as it looks and grades nice I'll be happy. I have tried one out at a Nikon event a couple of weeks ago and I couldn't get over the fact there's no exposure control indicator in video mode. Just bizarre. I'll mostly be doing time lapses/astrophotography/run and gun doco and low light wedding videos (receptions) with it. Looking for any thoughts, feelings and suggestions.
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# ? Jul 10, 2019 23:37 |
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I have one and shoot video, but I don’t use it a ton for video as I have a dedicated camera for that. For exposure, it has histogram and zebras which are enough for me. I’d love a waveform, but my main camera stupidly does not have one either so whatever. You should check out the S1 too. Edit: I had no issues with the controls but not sure what might be your specific concerns there. powderific fucked around with this message at 00:20 on Jul 11, 2019 |
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Sigma unveils world smallest full frame camera It looks like an ergonomic nightmare and I want it Animal fucked around with this message at 15:25 on Jul 11, 2019 |
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Animal posted:Sigma unveils world smallest full frame camera loving lmao at calling it pocketable, that is some amazing PR spin
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# ? Jul 11, 2019 15:40 |
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It looks like the body is around the same size as a Fuji X-E3 fp 113 x 70 x 45mm 370 grams X-E3 121 x 74 x 43mm 337g Far from pocketable but still I love it. Not in an "I'd buy it" way but I think it's cool it exists.
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With the release of a 45mm f2.8 it seems like they are also setting it up to replace the compact quattro line too. No mechanical shutter, modular system? Sigma sure does make interesting choices. I'd love to buy one, but I doubt I will ever by able to justify the cost. If the foveon version is in the same form factor you can finally get acceptable high iso performance by buying a second body. The apsc 1.4 lenses coming to ef-m is pretty cool too.
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# ? Jul 11, 2019 16:45 |
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Does Sigma make actual good lenses now? My last experience with them was ~15 years ago, and they just weren't up to snuff with a comparable Canon/Nikon fast lens.
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Yes, they do. Patent applications have shown they designed a bunch of lenses for other companies too, like olympus and panasonic, I believe.
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# ? Jul 11, 2019 17:26 |
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The size and weight tend to be notably bigger, mind, but optically they're just as good/leading the pack, lens depending.
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# ? Jul 11, 2019 17:28 |
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Yea. I used their 35mm 1.4 when I shot Canon. It was great.
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Animal posted:Sigma unveils world smallest full frame camera
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# ? Jul 11, 2019 17:32 |
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Looks like a FF black magic, it's a total brick.
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holocaust bloopers posted:Yea. I used their 35mm 1.4 when I shot Canon. It was great. I just sold my 35mm 1.4 since I switched from Nikon to Fuji. It was by far my favorite lens. So yeah, if Sigma makes a lens you can use they're pretty good.
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cheese posted:I passed around my X-T30 at a BBQ on Sat and no one under the age of 30 used the viewfinder, its worth a shot I don't know if it's a mystery. They're not photographers and grew up taking photos by looking at a phone.
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# ? Jul 11, 2019 17:37 |
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Sigma today is not the sigma of 10-15 years ago. Their art and sport lenses are professional lenses on par with or better than most 1st party lenses. Their MC11 adapter is also one of the top adapters out there right now for Sony users wanting to use FF canon/nikon mount glass and can be had for $150. The build quality is impeccable and they feel like professional gear although they are kind of heavy. As an added bonus, their top of the line lenses are generally much more affordable than the 1st party brand offerings (which is huge being a Sony shooter because sony lenses are $$$$)
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Yeah new sigma is v good. Dakana will not shut up about their primes
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