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| Joe Biden, the Inappropriate Toucher |
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18 | 1.46% |
| Bernie Sanders, the Hand Flailer |
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665 | 54.11% |
| Elizabeth Warren, the Plan Maker |
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319 | 25.96% |
| Kamala Harris, the Cop Lord |
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26 | 2.12% |
| Cory Booker, the Super Hero Wannabe |
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5 | 0.41% |
| Julian Castro, the Twin |
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5 | 0.41% |
| Kirsten Gillibrand, the Franken Killer |
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5 | 0.41% |
| Pete Buttigieg, the Troop Sociopath |
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17 | 1.38% |
| Robert Francis O'Rourke, the Fake Latino |
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3 | 0.24% |
| Jay Inslee, the Climate Alarmist |
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8 | 0.65% |
| Marianne Williamson, the Crystal Queen |
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86 | 7.00% |
| Tulsi Gabbard, the Muslim Hater |
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23 | 1.87% |
| Andrew Yang, the $1000 Fool |
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32 | 2.60% |
| Eric Swalwell, the Insurance Wife Guy |
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2 | 0.16% |
| Amy Klobuchar, the Comb Enthusiast |
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1 | 0.08% |
| Bill de Blasio, the NYPD Most Hated |
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4 | 0.33% |
| Tim Ryan, the Dope Face |
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3 | 0.24% |
| John Hickenlooper, the Also Ran |
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7 | 0.57% |
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Montalvo posted:If both of you are taking that away from that sentence, then I don't think we're going to really see eye to eye on this issue; as I was merely pointing out that the pushback to women and minorities that dislike Bernie comes from people who are not women and minorities; I made no assessment whatsoever about the nature and homogeneity of Bernie's supporters are large. Have a good one! It's pretty inconsiderate of you to erase all the women and minorities who argue against anti-Bernie people who happen to also be women and minorities, imo.
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Jul 10, 2019 17:17
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Montalvo posted:If both of you are taking that away from that sentence, then I don't think we're going to really see eye to eye on this issue; as I was merely pointing out that the pushback to women and minorities that dislike Bernie comes from people who are not women and minorities; I made no assessment whatsoever about the nature and homogeneity of Bernie's supporters are large. Have a good one! You were merely erasing the women and minorities that disagree with you. It’s kind of hard to see eye to eye when your first post is along the lines of “if you disagree with me on bernie you’re a white cis-het male”
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Jul 10, 2019 17:25
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Calibanibal posted:Wow good job ya'll chased another women and/or poc out of the Bernie cult thread. good now we can get down to our real business, rahowa
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Jul 10, 2019 17:25
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Montalvo posted:as I was merely pointing out that the pushback to women and minorities that dislike Bernie comes from people who are not women and minorities
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Jul 10, 2019 17:26
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Darko posted:My family was from Oklahoma and my grandfather stayed on a reservation for a short time. My familial history claimed to be part/strongly native hard in my mom's generation and I heard it my entire life as us claimed to be part Native. I never really did because I was the next generation and things were different and less reliant on oral history by the time I was old enough to care. We're a different generation than her and have more cultural knowledge, and I know my age (40) puts me right at that cusp. It's this. Warren is 70 years old and awareness around this issue is a recent development. It doesn't excuse it but it does give context that I believe explains why a person may have been less critical of their own family's oral version of their own narrative when it was handed down to them in the 1960s. If you want to believe Warren is a cynical racist then go ahead. Literally no one can stop you. FLIPADELPHIA fucked around with this message at 17:32 on Jul 10, 2019 |
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Jul 10, 2019 17:27
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Montalvo posted:If both of you are taking that away from that sentence, then I don't think we're going to really see eye to eye on this issue; as I was merely pointing out that the pushback to women and minorities that dislike Bernie comes from people who are not women and minorities; I made no assessment whatsoever about the nature and homogeneity of Bernie's supporters are large. Have a good one! Okay so you don't have any intention of actually saying anything other than a weird driveby snipe?
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Jul 10, 2019 17:28
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Condiv posted:what is there to dislike about bernie? The kind of annoying thing about this topic is that the source of what Sanders distaste exists among minorities and women (which isn't exactly much, but I guess technically exists with a subset) is the way the media portrays him; many people (somewhat understandably) take the view that it makes sense to assume that accusations of someone being bigoted should be assumed to be true by default, and there isn't really any way to address that which won't come off as condescending (since people usually aren't going to respond well to "your perception has been manipulated by others in a way that is causing you to act against your own interests"). The option I usually go with is to just not engage, unless the person in question is stating something that is demonstrably false. There isn't really any way to get through to that sort of person - to them, any attempt to contest their claims will be perceived as a "thou doth protest too much" sort of situation. Fortunately, however, "minorities and women being against Sanders" isn't a significant issue (the only demographics consistently opposed to Bernie are the wealthy and older people).
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Montalvo posted:If both of you are taking that away from that sentence, then I don't think we're going to really see eye to eye on this issue; as I was merely pointing out that the pushback to women and minorities that dislike Bernie comes from people who are not women and minorities; I made no assessment whatsoever about the nature and homogeneity of Bernie's supporters are large. Have a good one! sorry your brain is broken, perhaps when Bill is arrested for raping children we can move past the damage this terrible family has done to our national politics
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Jul 10, 2019 17:38
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Ytlaya posted:The kind of annoying thing about this topic is that the source of what Sanders distaste exists among minorities and women (which isn't exactly much, but I guess technically exists with a subset) is the way the media portrays him; many people (somewhat understandably) take the view that it makes sense to assume that accusations of someone being bigoted should be assumed to be true by default, and there isn't really any way to address that which won't come off as condescending (since people usually aren't going to respond well to "your perception has been manipulated by others in a way that is causing you to act against your own interests"). In my experience the majority of the Sanders hate comes from the #resistance types who are still convinced that somehow Bernie’s attacks on Hillary cost her the election.
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Yup, it's the idea that he caused 2016. Which he didn't, but that's where the anger is.
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Jul 10, 2019 18:01
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theflyingorc posted:Yup, it's the idea that he caused 2016. Which he didn't, but that's where the anger is. It's more fundamental than that. People chose sides in the 2016 primary and got into slapfights and got trolled by bots and so forth. Net result they started viewing everything Bernie does through a negative, hostile partisan lens, so anything he does at all they see with a negative spin which reinforces their existing bias etc. Pattern replicates constantly among the terminal donut Twitter types. Bernie Bad therefore Bernie Bad.
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Jul 10, 2019 18:07
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:It's more fundamental than that. When you insist on seeing it as a team sport, you give up the opportunity to improve. Bernie is 100% in the team sport mindset himself, and as a result he seems to be A-OK with being a sarcastic jerk to young women voters and journalists on camera. While the Bernie fan club all congratulate each other for the point-scoring, potential members of Bernie's coalition are put off because they've just seen the candidate being a dick bag to a person they empathize with. Likewise, when some faction of the Bernie fan club mobilizes to hound some poor girl off of social media because she asked the wrong question in a town hall, you guys are all just delighted with the win for your team rather than recognizing that you've just shown potential coalition members that engaging with Bernie is far more trouble than its worth. Meanwhile, you have a competitor in the race who is perceived as being near-identical to Bernie on policy while also being a tolerable human being, and she's gaining ground. What a surprise.
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Jul 10, 2019 18:48
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Pinky Artichoke posted:When you insist on seeing it as a team sport, you give up the opportunity to improve. Bernie is 100% in the team sport mindset himself, and as a result he seems to be A-OK with being a sarcastic jerk to young women voters and journalists on camera. While the Bernie fan club all congratulate each other for the point-scoring, potential members of Bernie's coalition are put off because they've just seen the candidate being a dick bag to a person they empathize with. Likewise, when some faction of the Bernie fan club mobilizes to hound some poor girl off of social media because she asked the wrong question in a town hall, you guys are all just delighted with the win for your team rather than recognizing that you've just shown potential coalition members that engaging with Bernie is far more trouble than its worth. what are you talking about specifically?
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Jul 10, 2019 18:50
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redneck nazgul posted:If it helps you in any way, I’ve despised Bernie for yrs now NOT bc I’m part of some bizarre DNC bias or left-wing conspiracy or whatever the hell you’d like to believe… but bc 1- he’s not a team player; 2- his ideas have no foundation (meaning it might sound good to say “all college is free” but he never has a plan that would work w’ Congress to push his idea[s] thru; 3- whenever something goes wrong, Bernie, like Trump (& recently like Biden, which I find quite troubling) will not simply own up to doing or saying something wrong; 4- he’s a sore loser (in presidential primaries, etc. there are numerous candidates who simply don’t make it to the next stage — some are able to lose with dignity, Bernie is not one of them). Indeed, think about how Hillary felt during this past election in 2016, or Gore in 2000. They both won the popular vote — Russia interfered in our last election & Gore should seemingly have won close to 20 yrs ago. He stepped aside for country unity; Hillary gave a beautiful, gracious speech to all the young girls out in America about what they could achieve in life. Lmao, you should have said Mitt Romney or something. Not a single living soul in the world would rather Ted Cruz be the president
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Jul 10, 2019 18:52
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Condiv posted:suddenly bernie's decision to fade into the background during the first debate looks like a much better move I said it the day of the debate and have been saying it since then. This is a situation where, unironically, going high while they all go low is the path to take. Show that Bernie is focused on issues facing the nation and its citizens while everyone else is squabbling.
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Jul 10, 2019 18:57
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Bernie rolled his eyes when the woman lying about her background fleeing socialist USSR asked him in bad faith why he was bringing communism to America. 5 points to Bernie!
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Jul 10, 2019 18:57
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:It's more fundamental than that. tl;dr broke brain morons remain broke brain morons 4 years later
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SKULL.GIF posted:I said it the day of the debate and have been saying it since then. This is a situation where, unironically, going high while they all go low is the path to take. Show that Bernie is focused on issues facing the nation and its citizens while everyone else is squabbling. well, bussing is deffo an issue, and biden waxing poetic about his repub buddies that helped fight it was definitely something that needed to be addressed. but yeah, letting the centrists do that means they focus more on tearing each other apart and develop rivalries and animosity between each other instead of everyone targeting bernie
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redneck nazgul posted:If it helps you in any way, I’ve despised Bernie for yrs now NOT bc I’m part of some bizarre DNC bias or left-wing conspiracy or whatever the hell you’d like to believe… but bc 1- he’s not a team player; 2- his ideas have no foundation (meaning it might sound good to say “all college is free” but he never has a plan that would work w’ Congress to push his idea[s] thru; 3- whenever something goes wrong, Bernie, like Trump (& recently like Biden, which I find quite troubling) will not simply own up to doing or saying something wrong; 4- he’s a sore loser (in presidential primaries, etc. there are numerous candidates who simply don’t make it to the next stage — some are able to lose with dignity, Bernie is not one of them). Indeed, think about how Hillary felt during this past election in 2016, or Gore in 2000. They both won the popular vote — Russia interfered in our last election & Gore should seemingly have won close to 20 yrs ago. He stepped aside for country unity; Hillary gave a beautiful, gracious speech to all the young girls out in America about what they could achieve in life. this is trying too hard
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Jul 10, 2019 19:01
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Raskolnikov38 posted:tl;dr broke brain morons remain broke brain morons 4 years later Yeah but broke brain morons may be a surprisingly high percentage of American voters
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Jul 10, 2019 19:01
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Condiv posted:what are you talking about specifically? Probably that dumb interviewer that Bernie owned hard for supporting US imperialism. E: who is also a former BlackRock employee and married to the son of a bain capital exec, can't forget that. Oh Snapple! fucked around with this message at 19:12 on Jul 10, 2019 |
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Jul 10, 2019 19:09
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Bernie doesn't just roll over and take it when the media lies about him, and this is unfathomably rude and offputting. Now to write 5000 words about this and collect my NYT paycheck.
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Jul 10, 2019 19:14
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Yeah I'm Bernie's biggest fan but nothing has turned me off more than the obvious glee with which Bernie mocks, chides and mansplains at women in public spaces
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Jul 10, 2019 19:25
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Pinky Artichoke posted:When you insist on seeing it as a team sport, you give up the opportunity to improve. Bernie is 100% in the team sport mindset himself, and as a result he seems to be A-OK with being a sarcastic jerk to young women voters and journalists on camera. Sarcasm towards corporate journalists defending Central American death squads? Heaven forfend! 
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Jul 10, 2019 19:28
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Jul 10, 2019 19:30
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The Senator with more bipartisan bills than any other in 50 years just doesn't work well with others.
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Jul 10, 2019 19:32
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He seemed to work well with the good ol boys club that was the pre-2018 congress. Now is sort of a different story (note his concerted effort to minimize the focus of Ilhan Omar, AOC etc in discussions on their collaboration bills)
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Jul 10, 2019 19:39
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Mantis42 posted:If Bernie doesn't work well with others, why did he receive the companionship sword? Destined to lead
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I love The Discourse. "Why do you want to murder 25 million people like Stalin did you monster" <--------- polite and sensible and serious political discussion  response <--------- how rude, why don't you respect women"Why won't you condemn the people whose families and neighbors were tortured and murdered by America for not liking America afterward?" <------------- serious, adult question "Because I agreed with them that America should stop torturing and murdering them" <------------------ so rude and divisive! Why can't we all come together in harmony and agree raping and crucifying Nicaraguan children is okay
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Pinky Artichoke posted:When you insist on seeing it as a team sport, you give up the opportunity to improve. Bernie is 100% in the team sport mindset himself, and as a result he seems to be A-OK with being a sarcastic jerk to young women voters and journalists on camera. While the Bernie fan club all congratulate each other for the point-scoring, potential members of Bernie's coalition are put off because they've just seen the candidate being a dick bag to a person they empathize with. Likewise, when some faction of the Bernie fan club mobilizes to hound some poor girl off of social media because she asked the wrong question in a town hall, you guys are all just delighted with the win for your team rather than recognizing that you've just shown potential coalition members that engaging with Bernie is far more trouble than its worth. What in god's name are you on about? Failed Imagineer posted:this is trying too hard I thought it was an excellent post 
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Calibanibal posted:Yeah I'm Bernie's biggest fan but nothing has turned me off more than the obvious glee with which Bernie mocks, chides and mansplains at women in public spaces Can we have some evidence of this presented in the thread? If it's as egregious as you claim then it's worth discussing but not without some real references that can be analyzed.
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Jul 10, 2019 19:58
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Midgetskydiver posted:Can we have some evidence of this presented in the thread? If it's as egregious as you claim then it's worth discussing but not without some real references that can be analyzed. got'im
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Midgetskydiver posted:Can we have some evidence of this presented in the thread? If it's as egregious as you claim then it's worth discussing but not without some real references that can be analyzed. stop bernsplaining me
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Pinky Artichoke posted:When you insist on seeing it as a team sport, you give up the opportunity to improve. Bernie is 100% in the team sport mindset himself, and as a result he seems to be A-OK with being a sarcastic jerk to young women voters and journalists on camera. While the Bernie fan club all congratulate each other for the point-scoring, potential members of Bernie's coalition are put off because they've just seen the candidate being a dick bag to a person they empathize with. Likewise, when some faction of the Bernie fan club mobilizes to hound some poor girl off of social media because she asked the wrong question in a town hall, you guys are all just delighted with the win for your team rather than recognizing that you've just shown potential coalition members that engaging with Bernie is far more trouble than its worth. Why can't you bros stop high fiving and chest bumping and empathize with the person who's propagandizing killing people with bombs as "Downy-soft limited anti-terror countermeasures"? Oh sorry I meant empathize with the young woman journalist who's propagandizing killing people with bombs. Phew. Almost sounded sarcastic for a moment without that critical distinction.
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Pinky Artichoke posted:When you insist on seeing it as a team sport, you give up the opportunity to improve. Bernie is 100% in the team sport mindset himself, and as a result he seems to be A-OK with being a sarcastic jerk to young women voters and journalists on camera. While the Bernie fan club all congratulate each other for the point-scoring, potential members of Bernie's coalition are put off because they've just seen the candidate being a dick bag to a person they empathize with. Likewise, when some faction of the Bernie fan club mobilizes to hound some poor girl off of social media because she asked the wrong question in a town hall, you guys are all just delighted with the win for your team rather than recognizing that you've just shown potential coalition members that engaging with Bernie is far more trouble than its worth. First they came for the rich centrist Harvard students, and I did not speak up, for I was not a rich centrist Harvard student. Marxalot posted:What in god's name are you on about? I'm pretty sure they're referring to that one Harvard town hall Bernie did, where there was that one student who was literally part of the Harvard centrist society or something and people looked them up online. At worst, you can *maybe* claim that some random online people went too far, though even then it's not remotely Bernie's fault.
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Jul 10, 2019 20:25
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Ytlaya posted:First they came for the rich centrist Harvard students, and I did not speak up, for I was not a rich centrist Harvard student. Bernie made an "are you kidding me" expression when she asks him why he wants to bring Stalinist communism to the USofA. Obviously the only reasonable explanation for his amused disbelief is that he is a woman hater who hates women. E: 
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Jul 10, 2019 20:36
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So I have to ask again, with ACA potentially being struck down by the court, does that mean almost all of the candidates who was promising Obamacare V.2 is now out of luck? Is the individual mandate the key part to make their plan constitutional?
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