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SSJ_naruto_2003 posted:Msi is a pretty solid choice I thought? My last mobo is an Msi board and it's still running 8 years later and through 10+ moves In a car. Yeah, I don't have anything against them. To me, the big surprise is the rise of ASRock - I just remember them being a low-end budget offshoot of ASUS back in the day, a step above ECS, but, well, now they're really churning out some interesting boards
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surf rock posted:Oh poo poo, DDR4-3600 with CL14. Zen2 is actually proving to be a bit memory agnostic, as even CL14 3600/3733 is showing only marginal improvement, like 5%. https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-zen-2-memory-performance-scaling-benchmark/5.html
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Guessing it's all the cache and work on latency hiding.
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5% is not marginal improvement relative to the cost, but also it's worth noting that TPU's testing methodology there is kinda flawed. The timings they're using don't represent realistic average timings that people buying for example 3200mhz ram are going to run, probably because they only used a few higher end modules and turned down clocks for the lower settings. That will usually enable you to get tighter timings, mitigating some of the losses. I maintain that anyone building a Ryzen 3000 system and not buying 3600mhz ram is being foolish, unless perhaps they're doing a very budget constrained 3600 build or are building a 3900X workstation that they know will never be memory bandwidth constrained or something.
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Phoronix's memory benchmarking under Linux https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amd-3900x-ram&num=1 Interestingly the top rating memory is good on everything except a specific Apache test when it shits the bed. Pablo Bluth fucked around with this message at 19:56 on Jul 10, 2019 |
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Jul 10, 2019 19:47
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Crunchy Black posted:I've always been wary of MSI for some probably dumb internalized reason. Are there any good ASRock boards? I'd honestly be okay going 570 if I could stick with a 'rock. In my opinion the ASRock X570 Taichi is the best mid tier motherboard in the X570 lineup (in terms of features). It has everything the 330 to 400 dollar X570s have at 289.99 on Newegg. If you're looking at the sub 200 ones, I'm not sure. Burno fucked around with this message at 19:59 on Jul 10, 2019 |
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Pablo Bluth posted:Phoronix's memory benchmarking under Linux That result isn't surprising. It's because going past 3733 halves the Infinity Fabric clock, which is obvious causing a pretty severe constraint of some sort in that particular test. It could be something like a lot of cross-chiplet cache hits that get murdered by the slower IF clock or something along those lines. K8.0 fucked around with this message at 19:59 on Jul 10, 2019 |
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Jul 10, 2019 19:57
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Pablo Bluth posted:Phoronix's memory benchmarking under Linux Why the hell didn't they run it at 3733 if that's the maximum memory clock before the IF divider kicks in?
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Pablo Bluth posted:Phoronix's memory benchmarking under Linux God that memory is FUGLY.
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K8.0 posted:5% is not marginal improvement relative to the cost, but also it's worth noting that TPU's testing methodology there is kinda flawed. The timings they're using don't represent realistic average timings that people buying for example 3200mhz ram are going to run That and their 100% baseline is some dogshit 2400mhz ram. The difference between 3000-16 and 3600 is about 2%. Expensive ram really doesn't seem worth it.
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Burno posted:In my opinion the ASRock X570 Taichi is the best mid tier motherboard in the X570 lineup (in terms of features). It has everything the 330 to 400 dollar X570s have at 289.99 on Newegg. Oh, interesting! What makes you prefer it to the Gigabyte X570 Aorus Pro Wifi? I've been looking at that for $30 cheaper (or the ASUS ROG Strix X570-E for $30 more because of the 2.5GB port) instead. edit: I've also been looking at the MSI MPG X570 Gaming Pro Carbon WIFI for about the same price as the Gigabyte, but those seem indistinguishable to me. surf rock fucked around with this message at 20:19 on Jul 10, 2019 |
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Inept posted:That and their 100% baseline is some dogshit 2400mhz ram. The difference between 3000-16 and 3600 is about 2%. Expensive ram really doesn't seem worth it. The benchmarks they are running are for the most part optimally threaded and don't need to do any coordination between cores or CCX's. Real-world applications are going to be a lot more messy and require coordination between threads/cores which is where the increased memory clock and its higher IF frequency/reduced latency are going to matter. I wouldn't come to any conclusions until you've seen benchmarks on the things you actually care about.
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BangersInMyKnickers posted:Why the hell didn't they run it at 3733 if that's the maximum memory clock before the IF divider kicks in? Because it's phoronix
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Burno posted:In my opinion the ASRock X570 Taichi is the best mid tier motherboard in the X570 lineup (in terms of features). It has everything the 330 to 400 dollar X570s have at 289.99 on Newegg. I've had an extreme 4 and an extreme 6 on my 2500k and my Skylake and they've been absolutely solid boards. So that's what I'm thinking of going with again.
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Burno posted:In my opinion the ASRock X570 Taichi is the best mid tier motherboard in the X570 lineup (in terms of features). It has everything the 330 to 400 dollar X570s have at 289.99 on Newegg. The Taichis are legitimately good, both X470 and X570. I just can't get over how fugly the mobo design looks to me.
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surf rock posted:Oh poo poo, DDR4-3600 with CL14. RAM sensitive workloads will still be so. The fear was that, since IF performance is tied to RAM speed, Zen2 would be hamstrung when paired with slow ram. This appears not to be the case but I'd like to see more testing done. If your specific task is hammering RAM it'll do better with better RAM as it would in any system.
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What is the warranty on the ASRock boards? On my phone at the moment and having a hard time locating it.
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Zotix posted:What is the warranty on the ASRock boards? On my phone at the moment and having a hard time locating it. Looks like 1 year in the US.
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I'd like it if more than a single (and pretty expensive) ITX board were available.
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Crunchy Black posted:I've had an extreme 4 and an extreme 6 on my 2500k and my Skylake and they've been absolutely solid boards. So that's what I'm thinking of going with again. I've done 3 budget builds for friends in the last few years. All with ASRock and I have been impressed with the quality of their boards
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This was the cheapest MSI 570 board I could find, it arrives today along with a 3700X so I'm hoping it can get the job done. Really wasn't that interested on dropping $300+ on a mobo, particularly when it doesn't need to look fancy or be fancy since it's just going to upgrade my home game server.
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GRINDCORE MEGGIDO posted:3700x ordered! Where are they back in stock? Edit: THe only thing I see is Amazon, and its from that reseller that people said was a scam DeadFatDuckFat fucked around with this message at 21:42 on Jul 10, 2019 |
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I'm really getting pissed at AMD. This is the third full business day since my card has been charged for a 3900x and no notification on shipping in sight. The chip was advertised as in stock. Not back order.
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DeadFatDuckFat posted:Where are they back in stock? Available on Amazon. It's not prime but it's free shipping at the regular MSRP through an authorized AMD Reseller.
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Sydin posted:Available on Amazon. It's not prime but it's free shipping at the regular MSRP through an authorized AMD Reseller. Sorry, I just edited my post. Isn't that the store that people said not to buy from?
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Ah, maybe? I only skimmed the last few pages. In the reviews for the reseller there are a few people claiming they're being weird about tracking info/shipping date accuracy.
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Yeah, somebody just made a store called "AMD Authorized Reseller." It's not legit.
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What are you talking about? This seems extremely legit. Your #1 source of AMD processors and knives.
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BangersInMyKnickers posted:What are you talking about? This seems extremely legit. Your #1 source of AMD processors and knives. Maybe repurposing old Piledriver CPUs into hotplates helped break them into the culinary market?
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The x570 taichi looks like a very solid board. What exactly is the difference between t topology vs daisy chain? The taichi uses t topology according to this spreadsheet that has been floating around for a week.
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Zotix posted:The x570 taichi looks like a very solid board. What exactly is the difference between t topology vs daisy chain? The taichi uses t topology according to this spreadsheet that has been floating around for a week. smaller penalty for using 4 sticks than daisychain but bigger penalty for using 2 sticks (in terms of the maximum stable memory clockrate/timings you can achieve)
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surf rock posted:Oh, interesting! What makes you prefer it to the Gigabyte X570 Aorus Pro Wifi? I've been looking at that for $30 cheaper (or the ASUS ROG Strix X570-E for $30 more because of the 2.5GB port) instead. Mainly it has 3 x M.2 slots, you don't get that on other brands until you get into the 330-400 dollar range. Everything else is similar.
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DoLittle posted:You can just install OpenFOAM and run the motorbike tutorial: https://openfoam.org/download/ It took me a while to get to this, but lack of availability on 3900Xs gave me the breathing room to take care of it. I'm seeing a tiny regression (edit: about 4.2%) at 16 threads for the 2700, and no such regression at 12 threads for the 1600. I wonder if it's cache-related. Rosetta (the molecular dynamics package) wants 4MB of L3 per process, so runtimes double-to-triple as soon as you oversubscribe it; it'll be interesting to see if this is a similar (though nowhere near so dire) effect. mdxi fucked around with this message at 23:30 on Jul 10, 2019 |
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Burno posted:Mainly it has 3 x M.2 slots, you don't get that on other brands until you get into the 330-400 dollar range. Everything else is similar. Got it, thank you. The only use case for M.2 slots that I'm familiar with is SSDs; are there others?
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I bought a 3700x and it shipped already from that knife seller, don't anticipate any issues that can't be resolved by Amazon or a charge back in the worst case scenario. Not sure how exactly it's a scam unless they shipped me something that isn't a 3700x which seems easy to dispute. More reviews are coming in saying they have received correct Ryzen 3 series products, definitely a strange rebrand of a store though  For anyone concerned it looks like some mods on r/amd have verified the seller is legit: https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/cbhydq/3800x_listed_on_amazon_us/etfksyd/ Scorps fucked around with this message at 23:30 on Jul 10, 2019 |
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surf rock posted:Got it, thank you. The only use case for M.2 slots that I'm familiar with is SSDs; are there others? It's a general purpose expansion slot and there are variants for wireless cards and other components, but the ones found on consumer motherboards are generally keyed to only accept SSDs.
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I got my motherboard today. The BIOS version listed on the sticker on the board is the second of four updates that say "Update AGESA for the upcoming processors" so I assume this means I can boot my 3600 coming tomorrow and then update to the latest BIOS.
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Don Dongington posted:Also the scythe mugen 5 rev. b that gets mentioned 5 times per page ITT is not available here at all, just to save y'all some effort. I picked up one off Amazon AU a week ago.
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Gonna be laughing at the people in a few days going “Holy poo poo 24 threads!” While I sit smugly with 48. 
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