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When I got my license in the '90s in PA, I had ZERO formal education. None. It wasn't required. I took a written exam to get my permit a few months before my 16th birthday and from there on out it was just my parents teaching me. I, as a 15 year old, was allowed on public roads with only my parent in the passenger seat in whatever car they happened to have, whenever my parents decided I was 'good enough' to go out on public roads. The day after my 16th birthday, I took the driving exam at the DMV and from there on out I was allowed to go out on my own without a single second of professional driving instruction.
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It's still not required. At least in NY. You just need to take the test.
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Jul 10, 2019 17:02
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Haven't they pretty much stopped teaching "Driver's Ed" in high schools now too? Not that it's a huge loss, as all it consisted of when I took it was watching drunk driving scare videos.
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Jul 10, 2019 17:03
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I didn't even have Driver's Ed in high school 25 years ago. I mean, they offered it, after school hours, but it was something totally optional to take and I think it cost money. Some insurance's gave discounts for it.
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Jul 10, 2019 17:07
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bull3964 posted:I didn't even have Driver's Ed in high school 25 years ago. If you wanted to get your license before 18 in my state, you had to take driver's ed. Our school offered it as a class for credit. It cost a bit of money - I think ~300 bucks? That also gave us I think 6 total hours in car with an instructor.
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Jul 10, 2019 17:29
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My dad brought home Smith System tapes from work when I was a kid. I think they were actually really helpful.
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Disgruntled Bovine posted:Haven't they pretty much stopped teaching "Driver's Ed" in high schools now too? Not that it's a huge loss, as all it consisted of when I took it was watching drunk driving scare videos. They have drivers ed and they teach kids to hold the wheel at 4 and 8. https://arstechnica.com/cars/2018/11/beyond-drivers-ed-how-this-class-teaches-teens-to-drive-better-safer/
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Jul 10, 2019 17:46
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I got in right before they started doing graduated licensing. FYGM.
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Jul 10, 2019 17:56
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The Prong Song posted:I mean you just plop that statement down, in the middle of this thread, as though the same thing isn't true of driving cars; or that the standards for licencing car drivers is higher than the standards for licencing motorcycle drivers. But it's not the same, at least in Massachusetts. With a car, the written test gets you a permit that let's you drive with another person over 21, you can't legally drive by yourself. You go take the written test for a motorcycle permit, there are essentially no restrictions. You can take your permit test then legally go buy a 1000cc Superbike, never having sat on one before. I would say those are vastly different.
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drgitlin posted:They have drivers ed and they teach kids to hold the wheel at 4 and 8. https://arstechnica.com/cars/2018/11/beyond-drivers-ed-how-this-class-teaches-teens-to-drive-better-safer/ I....this can't be real. 4 and 8? I mean don't get me wrong sometimes I'm a bad driver and basically do that since it's easier to do while being lazy (i.e. have your arms resting on the armrests), and sometimes I just use a finger or two since I'll let lane assist do the majority of the work, but that's basically on highways in slow traffic - for actual driving I stick to 10 and 2 like I was taught (although apparently 9 and 3 is considered better?) How the gently caress do you turn the wheel quickly if your hands are at 4 and 8? Who decided this was a good change in the already severely limited drivers' ed America has?
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Jul 10, 2019 22:38
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4 and 8 is what you are supposed to do. you don’t need to exert as much force with modern power steering, and it significantly reduces the chance that you break your arm or have your arm break your face in a collision where the air bag deploys. You can still turn the wheel quickly from 4 and 8.
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Jul 10, 2019 22:56
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With as light as modern steering electric racks are you can probably just drive with your nose.
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Russian Bear posted:With as light as modern steering electric racks are you can probably just drive with your nose. I wouldnt want to be doing that when the airbag goes off!
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Jul 10, 2019 23:40
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Super Soaker Party! posted:for actual driving I stick to 10 and 2 like I was taught (although apparently 9 and 3 is considered better?) 10 and 2 is a bad idea because of airbags, you should absolutely be using 9 and 3.
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Jul 11, 2019 00:08
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I drive with my penis at 12.
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Jul 11, 2019 00:34
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8 and 4 feels so wrong.
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Jul 11, 2019 00:47
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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:I drive with my penis at 12. why is your steering wheel on upside down?
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Jul 11, 2019 01:12
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Proper driving requires one hand at anywhere from 9 to 3 damnit unless you need two hands to do something then a knee.
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Jul 11, 2019 01:13
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:4 and 8 is what you are supposed to do. you don’t need to exert as much force with modern power steering, and it significantly reduces the chance that you break your arm or have your arm break your face in a collision where the air bag deploys. You can still turn the wheel quickly from 4 and 8. No 4 and 8 is stupid. You’re only fractionally more likely to injure your hands at 9 and 3 if the airbag deploys but you’re much less likely for that to happen because you can actually control the car properly.
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Jul 11, 2019 02:19
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10 and 2 always seemed really stupid to me because if you have to swerve hard you have to reposition your hands quickly (at least at lower/medium speeds) and I have had to swerve around a lot of moose in my day. It's way easier to swerve quickly with hands lower on the wheel. Still never been in a car crash but have gotten pretty good at swerving! Pryor on Fire fucked around with this message at 02:25 on Jul 11, 2019 |
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Jul 11, 2019 02:20
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L Hand at 1, R hand on coffee cup or shifter.
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Jul 11, 2019 03:19
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Right arm shifting or on the steering wheel, bluetooth frees up the left, hang that poo poo out the window, use either or both hand(s) to occasionally pluck the ciggy out of your mouth or light a fresh one up, maybe touch the steering wheel with one if required turning degrees exceeds that achievable with the knee.
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Jul 11, 2019 03:36
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both hands on phone, knee at 5 pm, blazed out of my goddamned mind
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Jul 11, 2019 03:45
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Elviscat posted:Right arm shifting or on the steering wheel, bluetooth frees up the left, hang that poo poo out the window, use either or both hand(s) to occasionally pluck the ciggy out of your mouth or light a fresh one up, maybe touch the steering wheel with one if required turning degrees exceeds that achievable with the knee. Yeah i'm going to amend to say L hand at 9 with elbow out the window, but only if your car is old enough for a proper low beltline.
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Jul 11, 2019 03:49
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George Carlin did a bit about driving @ 8 and 4.
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LeeMajors posted:Yeah i'm going to amend to say L hand at 9 with elbow out the window, but only if your car is old enough for a proper low beltline. I make my beltline real low by undoing my pants and then driving with my right hand down them. 9 and penis everybody.
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Jul 11, 2019 04:49
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As a Dr Pepper fan, I drive with my hands at 10, 2, and 4.
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Jul 11, 2019 05:25
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Q_res posted:10 and 2 is a bad idea because of airbags, you should absolutely be using 9 and 3. So if my car doesn't have airbags I should drive with my hands at 10 and 2, but if it does, it's 9 and 3?
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Jul 11, 2019 13:38
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At a certain speed, you'll wreck if you turn the wheel sharply more than is possible with one hand on the wheel anyway, so most of the time I don't think it's necessary to have two hands on the wheel. You have time to move your second hand from the shifter or whatever if you need that extra range, provided it's not doing something like holding a hot beverage or jerking your dick.
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Jul 11, 2019 13:55
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I barely hook the wheel with one thumb and my hand on my lap.
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Jul 11, 2019 13:58
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All these plebs with analogue steering wheels. Why even live without a digital steering wheel?
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Jul 11, 2019 14:41
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I find it hard to have two hands on the steering wheel while putting product in my hair in the mornings. So I just go with one hand at 12:00.
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PT6A posted:At a certain speed, you'll wreck if you turn the wheel sharply more than is possible with one hand on the wheel anyway, so most of the time I don't think it's necessary to have two hands on the wheel. You have time to move your second hand from the shifter or whatever if you need that extra range, provided it's not doing something like holding a hot beverage or jerking your dick. That said, two hands gives you neutral balance on the wheel which makes it less likely to accidentally provide too much input since you can provide counter resistance. bull3964 fucked around with this message at 15:41 on Jul 11, 2019 |
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Jul 11, 2019 15:39
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Relatedly in car saftey chat, are there any tests or..."case studies" of a 2015+ Honda fit getting hit by a modern (huge) full size truck like a F-150. The Fit has excellent safety ratings in it's class, even in the stricter NCAP testing done in the EU, but the arms race of vehicle size and weight here in the U.S. is, well, discouraging. I've tried looking into it but all I can find are general articles on "yeah small cars are safer than every but bigger is still better". I wanna see 2010+ truck tbone a fit.
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Jul 11, 2019 15:40
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Safety also includes handling and braking and avoidance in addition to being TBoned by a F-350
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Jul 11, 2019 15:44
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gently caress, a F-350? The arms race is even happening in these posts.
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Jul 11, 2019 15:47
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Jack B Nimble posted:gently caress, a F-350? The arms race is even happening in these posts. Give it a couple years. My cousin will start insisting she needs to buy an Abrams tank to drive her kid to lacrosse.
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Jul 11, 2019 15:48
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F-350 (and other super duties) is the base model out here . No one drives a f-150 any more.
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The year is 2029, the United States Of America dehumanize yourself and face to Bigass Fuckin Truck
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