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Bloodcider posted:Except the British couple who were the only decent folks in the film. The British couple have no characterization
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Like she's literally not that. That is like, what christian would say. Yeah, when was she particularly overbearing in the movie? She even at several points tries to say, "It's ok, go ahead without me," and Christian uses it as an excuse to make her feel lovely when she's expressly trying NOT to rain on anyone's parade.
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Yeah Dani was broken and depressed but idk about overbearing. I guess she should have taken the hint and not gone on the trip with the guys, but I mean, she WAS invited in the end.
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Jul 10, 2019 23:48
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Wasn't she even considering not going at all until she was talked into it? I got the impression that the only reason she ended up going was because Christian invited her and I want to say Pelle urged her to go?
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Jul 10, 2019 23:56
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Christian tells his lovely friends that he’s invited her but that “she’s not coming,” presumably because he expects her to chicken out at the last moment, and tells them to pretend they wanted her to come. When she gets into the apartment, Josh says something like, “So, I hear you are coming along with us to Sweden,” to which she gives a noncommittal, self-conscious response. Pelle then tells Dani “I was most excited for you to come,” but it’s unclear whether he is actually excited or he’s pretending like Christian asked. QuoProQuid fucked around with this message at 00:05 on Jul 11, 2019 |
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Jul 10, 2019 23:59
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Given that Pelle blatantly hits on her later, pretty sure he is actually excited.
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Jul 11, 2019 00:06
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Pelle wanted to be with Dani. It's hard to tell because we never see his penis but I'm fairly certain
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Donovan Trip posted:Pelle wanted to be with Dani. It's hard to tell because we never see his penis but I'm fairly certain His penis was subtly erect throughout the film.
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Donovan Trip posted:Pelle wanted to be with Dani. It's hard to tell because we never see his penis but I'm fairly certain Cinematic dong flop discourse has been the worst
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boo_radley posted:Cinematic dong flop discourse has been the worst Disagree
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beanieson posted:His penis was subtly erect throughout the film. Hell, same
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beanieson posted:His penis was subtly erect throughout the film. It was actually a subtle CG effect. Ari Aster really needed the right *degree* of erection in every scene, and that actor struggled to hit the mark on set. Aster is basically the Fincher of penises. I don’t think Pelle or the cult in general were playing 4D chess. I assumed Pelle saw what Dani was going through, recognized it, and thought she might connect with his community. I didn’t get a sense there was a grand plan for her to play the exact role she did in the end; it just happened that way.
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I have to say I chuckled at you dingos trying to apply US/legal standards to a psychedelic death cult. Whether or not Christian was legally raped is such an insane fixation to have, and if it is the standard by which you are measuring if he was sympathetic or not, then IDK what the he'll you were doing for the first two hours of the movie. None of the outsiders had any power to change any thing at any time. This is also a big flaw in the film.
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I also find it really hard to believe that he would forget the birthday of his girlfriend of four years. That's some Homer Simpson type characterization, and while Christian seemed to be a douche, he is in grad school. He is a reasonably smart person. He has a phone. He and Dani have regular interaction. Also, he took her to Scandinavia on her birthday. Maybe the whole point is to show that Dani is irrational and being gaslit by Pelle, but that seemed really forced.
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Dani's problem isn't that she's abusive or controlling, it's that she's spineless and needy. She is sensitive to other's needs, but she doesn't have the backbone to ever do anything about it. The most obvious instantiation of this is that she's the only one to notice that the Brits' disappearances are strange, but once the villagers give her a menial task she doesn't bother investigating further. Her immediate need for approval and belonging has been satisfied. Other examples of this tendency are when she notices that the villagers are trying to split her and Christian up and she just lets them, her constant passive aggressive commentary, and the way she allows Pelle to manipulate her after she calls him on it. She lacks the ability to stand up for herself and others.
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Anyone ever find a shot of Pelle’s sketch of the “table” at the beginning of the film?
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a new study bible! posted:None of the outsiders had any power to change any thing at any time. This is also a big flaw in the film. uh how.
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a new study bible! posted:
I don't see that as a flaw at all. Loads of horror films, and most of the great ones, fool you into thinking that the characters have some kind of agency when, in hindsight, nothing could have saved them. There's nothing a horror film can do that's scarier than that.
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pospysyl posted:Dani's problem isn't that she's abusive or controlling, it's that she's spineless and needy. She is sensitive to other's needs, but she doesn't have the backbone to ever do anything about it. The most obvious instantiation of this is that she's the only one to notice that the Brits' disappearances are strange, but once the villagers give her a menial task she doesn't bother investigating further. Her immediate need for approval and belonging has been satisfied. Other examples of this tendency are when she notices that the villagers are trying to split her and Christian up and she just lets them, her constant passive aggressive commentary, and the way she allows Pelle to manipulate her after she calls him on it. She lacks the ability to stand up for herself and others. i imagine dani is needy because her entire support network died in an act of horrific violence and the last person she can turn to for help and reassurance is constantly undermining her. christian's inability to fill her need for a human connection is ultimately what sets everyone down the path to destruction and makes dani so vulnerable to the cult QuoProQuid fucked around with this message at 02:21 on Jul 11, 2019 |
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QuoProQuid posted:i imagine dani is needy because her entire support network died in an act of horrific violence and the last person she can turn to for help and reassurance is constantly undermining her. christian's inability to fill her need for a human connection is ultimately what sets everyone down the path to destruction and makes dani so vulnerable to the cult you really dont like this christian fella huh
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a new study bible! posted:I also find it really hard to believe that he would forget the birthday of his girlfriend of four years. That's some Homer Simpson type characterization, and while Christian seemed to be a douche, he is in grad school. He is a reasonably smart person. He has a phone. He and Dani have regular interaction. Also, he took her to Scandinavia on her birthday. A person can be smart but also lovely. Christian is constantly shown to be a really bad boyfriend in every single interaction with Dani except going over to her apartment when she makes that second call to him. And even then he's doing it out of a sense of duty and is incredibly passive while there.
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beanieson posted:Anyone ever find a shot of Pelle’s sketch of the “table” at the beginning of the film? While I don’t have a shot from the film itself, I do have the next best thing - the actual artwork! Or a version of it anyway. I was actually commissioned to do a few art pieces for the film while they were in Utah. They ultimately used a different artist’s sketch for this particular bit, but ya know. It’s a table with junk on it.  They actually already shot that whole scene while they were on location in Sweden but apparently the art department did a poo poo job at interiors so they had to recreate it all when they filmed it again here. Problem was the artist they hired to draw all the sketchbook stuff was unavailable to draw the newly set table and after mine got rejected it was kinda up in the air what their solution would be. If I had to guess, that shot was so quick because they didn’t want anyone to notice they used the original drawing of a different table. 
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Bert of the Forest posted:While I don’t have a shot from the film itself, I do have the next best thing - the actual artwork! Or a version of it anyway. I was actually commissioned to do a few art pieces for the film while they were in Utah. They ultimately used a different artist’s sketch for this particular bit, but ya know. It’s a table with junk on it. That’s really cool, thanks for posting it. I’d assumed there was something weird in his sketch since we only got a glimpse lol
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Mel Mudkiper posted:you really dont like this christian fella huh i don't mean to harp again and again on the same point but the film is extremely explicit about why dani is the way she is. posts along the lines of "but dani was also bad" strike me as missing the point to a catastrophic degree. Bert of the Forest posted:While I don’t have a shot from the film itself, I do have the next best thing - the actual artwork! Or a version of it anyway. I was actually commissioned to do a few art pieces for the film while they were in Utah. They ultimately used a different artist’s sketch for this particular bit, but ya know. It’s a table with junk on it. This is extremely cool. Thanks for posting. If you can give us more detail, I'd love to know what else you were commissioned to do for the film.
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a new study bible! posted:he is in grad school. He is a reasonably smart person. Having dealt with a whole lot of grad students in my day, I have some bad news for you, friend.
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a new study bible! posted:he is in grad school. He is a reasonably smart person. that was one of the most grating things in the film to me. for a supposed phd candidate he sure acted like a dumbass high school kid, especially next to the other guy. I guess that's the point but it was so over the top that it pulled me out a bit every time that came up.
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Bert of the Forest posted:They actually already shot that whole scene while they were on location in Sweden but apparently the art department did a poo poo job at interiors so they had to recreate it all when they filmed it again here. although, i guess this interior was shot in Sweden, err, Hungary (the movie was shot in Budapest, according to Florence Pugh's IG posts) https://www.instagram.com/p/BzF1PrfFtOs/?igshid=7kq72wx7cydq
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Oh yeah, take the specifics of what I say with a grain of salt. I'm half-remembering the story my father told me about all this (he did all the interiors while they filmed in Utah, and was the production designer for Hereditary). I can't recall the specific location they originally filmed at, but the whole thing about having to redo the interiors here because they weren't up to par where they filmed it originally was definitely a thing. As far as the other pieces I was commissioned for, they had me do some very specific charcoal drawings that I never spotted in the final film, and one painting of the scarecrow from the wizard of oz. Apparently the director was very particular about it being THE scarecrow from the film, and having a kind of gentle watercolor feel to it. This one I DID see made it in the film, propped up above the fridge in the apartment scenes. So hey! My boy here is a movie star:  Here are the pieces that didn't make the cut (or they did and I didn't see them):  
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In the final scene, I think it's over simplistic to say Dani is just smiling at Christian burning to death (not to mention that it flattens her into an evil villain). I took that shot as her finally seeing people, and the world, reflect the pain and destruction she'd been feeling, every minute of every day, since her family's death. The lack of communication between her and Christian was clearly their biggest problem, though we don't know how much he tried to understand (probably not much) or how much she tried to explain her grief (probably not well). Anyway, grief is isolating because it makes you feel completely alone in your pain, and it's shown over and over that Dani is extremely in touch with her pain, to the point that it makes her scream like she's burning alive. So when she sees the crumbling, flaming temple, hears the men's screams, sees the cult members beating their breasts, she smiles because that's what she'd been trying to say for months. Also Christian did get raped and the A24 shop would be a lot more fun if they had anything in stock ever.
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DessertStorm posted:
I want this to be real https://mobile.twitter.com/A24/status/1148597708451696647
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Per the script, re: her smile: it describes her as having surrendered to a “joy known only to the insane”, that she has “lost herself completely and is finally free”, and it’s “horrible and beautiful” as she is now queen and “no longer alone” Also the script is very overt about Christian being emotionally disconnected. His eyes are often described as having “no warmth”.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:I want this to be real I have good news https://shop.a24films.com/products/bear-in-a-cage
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The secret is that neither character is right or wrong. The characters are actually two boring people in a dysfunctional relationship on it's last legs. This is all communicated in the beginning of the movie. Neither character is 'good' or 'bad' in their inability to 'do the right thing' to fix the relationship. The real solution was to break up instead of settle, which is a reoccurring theme in the movie. The real antagonist of the movie is Pelle, who originally planned to lure a group of five people to his cult to be ritually sacrificed. Upon sensing the opportunity, he finds a sixth. Anyone with a bullshit detector could tell you that Pelle was tipping his mental fedora the entire film. He both succeeds and escapes any kind of retribution for his part in a mass murder plot, and even plants a big kiss on Dani as he brings in the big V. One day he will probably leap from a cliff in his old age. It seems to be confused here that Pelle may have good intentions for Dani because he said some nice things to her. Meanwhile, Christian deserves to be burned alive because he was both insensitive and unable to cure her mental illness. Dani, the strong, independent, and smart woman, never thought to leave the guy who was not fulfilling her emotional needs. Consider if Christian had told Dani to gently caress off and went by himself, he would probably wind up immolated anyway. Or if he decided not to go, Vape-Pisser guy and the others would still be killed, and they would still be in an unhealthy codependent relationship. Instead he bluffs and invites her, and she calls his bluff and comes along. I can assure you, nobody deserved to die. That is the horror of the film - a group of people are lured into the woods and butchered for reasons that are foreign and unknown. While this happens we get to observe two people who don't like each other continue to be bad for each other. For some reason, blame is being placed on them for not completely changing over three days.
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Yessssssssss https://mobile.twitter.com/DiscussingFilm/status/1149378485821083648
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He did a great AMA on Reddit for those interested that clarified the 90 years thing: The last ritual of the film is what happens every 90 years. The rest is business as usual. Although it is suggested that there are more days of celebration to come. The movie doesn't span 9 days.
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So. I thought this would be a good horror movie. I just took my old aunt and mother and young cousin to this movie. My aunt is from a conservative country, Pakistan which needless to say this is not exactly what I was expecting when we got to the...uh....climax. I also hyped this over Crawl. This was definitely horror...for and to me. I’m mortified. I wish I was in that fire.
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Gatts posted:So. I thought this would be a good horror movie. I just took my old aunt and mother and young cousin to this movie. My aunt is from a conservative country, Pakistan which needless to say this is not exactly what I was expecting when we got to the...uh....climax. the film works!
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Danger posted:He did a great AMA on Reddit for those interested that clarified the 90 years thing: So Pelle's parents died in a normal fire? Does that mean the cult just randomly adopts or steals orphans? I liked the part my brain made up better. Reddit is a cesspool.
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