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SpaceGoatFarts posted:Being able to fold space and time with your mind is a pretty impressive power so why would old Frank insist navigators have limited powers? Why would he write their role is to chart a safe course through space and time?
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Infinite Karma posted:I'm pretty sure the ships fold space and time. But flying faster than the speed of light means it's really hard to navigate, so seeing the future is the only way to see where you're going. right, they use prescience to analyze their future travel route to make sure they aren't going to drive right smack into the side of an asteroid.
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Jul 11, 2019 22:43
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SpaceGoatFarts posted:Being able to fold space and time with your mind is a pretty impressive power so why would old Frank insist navigators have limited powers? Why would he write their role is to chart a safe course through space and time? They are math obsessed drug nerds that swam in so much LSD that they can now 'envision' the safe transport of a Holtzman device and it's surrounding material during the process of folding space, either bringing it to be in some other part of empty space or by loving up and accidentally colliding everything with a star of some other kind of gently caress you up astral phenomenon.
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Jul 11, 2019 22:49
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Infinite Karma posted:I'm pretty sure the ships fold space and time. But flying faster than the speed of light means it's really hard to navigate, so seeing the future is the only way to see where you're going. That's exactly my point. I don't know it's just the tweet was worded in a way that seems to imply the navigator is an inherent part of the engine https://mobile.twitter.com/AlexJayBrady/status/1148682386244349953
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SpaceGoatFarts posted:That's exactly my point. I don't know it's just the tweet was worded in a way that seems to imply the navigator is an inherent part of the engine What's your point? That @duneauthor is a loving idiot? Yes. Yes he is.
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Jul 11, 2019 23:01
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Yeah, the steersmen being magical is duneauthor crap. Your initial understanding that prescience is just used to avoid obstacles is the right one. That's part of why his son's books are so cringey. He'd probably have you believe it's all retconned but it seems more likely that he just didn't pay close attention to the source material before he and his buddy churned out a bunch of "lore" in the paperback-mill. I even seem to recall him and KJH saying there was no animal life on Arrakis (except sandworms), which of course is thick as a brick.
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Jul 11, 2019 23:10
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phasmid posted:I even seem to recall him and KJH saying there was no animal life on Arrakis (except sandworms) then what the gently caress is a muad'dib
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Jul 11, 2019 23:12
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It's a lot like Bethesda getting the Fallout games. To the Failson, Dune is just a collection of aesthetics and words. The structure of the narrative and why things were made in a certain way aren't important, you just want people to go "oh, sandworms, I've heard of those!"
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Jul 11, 2019 23:14
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Defiance Industries posted:To the Failson, Dune is just a collection of aesthetics and words. 
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Jul 11, 2019 23:17
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Temaukel posted:wait, what Knowing the ghostwriter, a popular soft drink. Defiance Industries posted:It's a lot like Bethesda getting the Fallout games. To the Failson, Dune is just a collection of aesthetics and words. The structure of the narrative and why things were made in a certain way aren't important, you just want people to go "oh, sandworms, I've heard of those!" That's my feeling too. He's just a guy trying to sell Mickey Mouse hats and if people think he's a talented writer too, bonus!
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So your dead father spins in his tomb As you claim there's no wildlife on Dune And you make Steersmen magical goons Which is phasmid posted:thick as a brick.
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Jul 11, 2019 23:19
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phasmid posted:I even seem to recall him and KJH saying there was no animal life on Arrakis (except sandworms), which of course is thick as a brick. Isn't the retcon here that animal life was introduced when it was colonized? Either way it's dumb as hell. Also, is the thing about the bull that killed the Old Duke being like... a cyborg bull, is that really something failson wrote? Lord Awkward posted:So your dead father spins in his tomb As a huge Tull fan I want you to know I really appreciate this.
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gently caress yeah, love me some Jethro Tull.Mister Speaker posted:Also, is the thing about the bull that killed the Old Duke being like... a cyborg bull, is that really something failson wrote? Yeah, that got discussed in the thread at some point. I didn't read much of the son's work but it made sense from all the other stuff they crammed in. Still love that someone from this thread was able to change the Wiki and make LORD CYBERTREX 9K part of the official canon.  e. vv It's just a shadow on the moon, a la the Lynch movie.
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phasmid posted:Yeah, the steersmen being magical is duneauthor crap. Your initial understanding that prescience is just used to avoid obstacles is the right one. How do you call among you the little mouse, the mouse that jumps?
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Mister Speaker posted:is that really something failson wrote? Expanded Universe wiki article posted:Salusan bulls are bovine animals native to Salusa Secundus. Their backs are covered with spines, their heads are black studded with multiple horns, and have faceted eyes. They have two separated brains.
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Jul 11, 2019 23:40
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That's worse somehow.
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Temaukel posted:wait, what what the gently caress indeed! there are many reasons why people do not like @duneauthor. you have showcased but one of them. he just doesn't give a poo poo.
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I picked up a copy of The Dragon in the Sea at the local used book store, is it any good? there’s not enough nautical sf in the world imo only other non dune Herbert I’ve read is the Green Brain and I enjoyed that
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Jul 12, 2019 00:08
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Father! The @duneauthor has awakened!
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Hellstrom’s Hive is fun
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skasion posted:Hellstrom’s Hive is fun in which you can discover an extremely nasty version of the Axolotl tank concept.
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Jul 12, 2019 00:29
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The Something Awful Forums > Main > General Bullshit > [Dune Thread] [Thread about Frank Herbert's Dune] [No @Duneauthor Zone]
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free hubcaps posted:I picked up a copy of The Dragon in the Sea at the local used book store, is it any good? there’s not enough nautical sf in the world imo I remember liking it well enough. It's a competent thriller, in that I remember it being full of tension and twists and turns, but can't remember anything specific about the plot or characters. There's one image from near the end that's stayed with me for 10 or 15 years: One character is dying of radiation poisoning, and to try to save him they're pumping all his blood out and filtering or replacing it, then pumping it back in to him. Over and over. Or something like that. I can't remember if he makes it.
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Temaukel posted:wait, what Or those donkeys they stuff into stillsuits
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Jul 12, 2019 06:54
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Old Frank has never been off Tleilax. He did have himself a Caladan whore once, but he's pretty sure he saw the day shift pull her out of a tank the week before. But whatever, she was worth the fifty solari he paid and it makes for a good story to tell the new hires.
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I'm recovering from surgery and I'm passing the time by re-reading D U N E. Usul is about to call a big one!
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phasmid posted:gently caress yeah, love me some Jethro Tull. Sadly much of the LORD CYBERTREX 8000 page has been graffitied again, but some remenants of the original section remain. ... There also appears to be new Duke listed in the House Atreides section too.
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They presumably used computers to navigate their ships before the Butlerian prohibitions. Afterwards they presumably fumble-hosed around and the Navigators took over. I assume they also worked better than the old computers did, or else the Ixians would have probably not taken thousands of years to figure it out.
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Just want to say that I got my Folio Society edition of Dune and it is beautiful beyond measure.
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Zeniel posted:Sadly much of the LORD CYBERTREX 8000 page has been graffitied again, but some remenants of the original section remain. Thank you for your fastidious curatorship. The vandals just want to besmirch the Dune EU for some crazy reason 
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Pictured: LORD CYBER T REX lol just kidding that thing is way loving cooler than anything @duneauthor ever came up with
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Super Waffle posted:Just want to say that I got my Folio Society edition of Dune and it is beautiful beyond measure. Welcome to an elite club my friend
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Infinite Karma posted:I'm pretty sure the ships fold space and time. But flying faster than the speed of light means it's really hard to navigate, so seeing the future is the only way to see where you're going. Isn't that what the Navigators are in the books? Super computers in an era where machines aren't allowed that can do those calculations?
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Ebeneezer Splooge posted:Isn't that what the Navigators are in the books? Super computers in an era where machines aren't allowed that can do those calculations? It's more that they can see where they'll end up after folding space. If they're going to fold into a star or a planet, they'll choose another path. That's my understanding at least.
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IIRC the books refer to "translight speeds". I forget if foldspace was involved or if it was just the movie. It should be one or the other but so far I don't think the thread has reached a conclusion and I have more confidence in the people here than the Dune wiki.
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Dune itself mentions absolutely gently caress all about how the mechanics of Guild ships work, and indeed deliberately glosses right over them — you never see the characters travel in space at all; in one chapter the Atreides are on Caladan and in the next they’re on Arrakis. Messiah, Children, and God Emperor all mention exactly once that Guildsmen take spice in order to steer a ship at translight speeds so called, but how the ship does that isn’t clear — the emphasis is on the Guildsman prescience making it safe to do so. The idea of “folding space” then suddenly pops up in Heretics — that’s the same year as the phrase pops up in Lynch Dune.
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Super Waffle posted:Just want to say that I got my Folio Society edition of Dune and it is beautiful beyond measure. Is this available in the states? Edit; nvm dumb question BeanpolePeckerwood fucked around with this message at 21:14 on Jul 12, 2019 |
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RIP Thufir Hawat https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-48940202 Edit: Apparently this was a couple of days ago and I missed it. rip anyway. ZX Speculum fucked around with this message at 21:51 on Jul 12, 2019 |
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ZX Speculum posted:RIP Thufir Hawat RIP torn
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Something just struck me while flipping through the last chapter of Dune, is Paul supposed to have his dick out for the whole duel with Feyd and the climax and everything? Right before they get to fighting he takes off his stillsuit and I feel like any underclothing you would wear with one of those would need to be crotchless
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