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Lightning Knight
Feb 24, 2012

Pray for Answer
if you were just going to bring one commie back to life, the obvious choice is Sankara. :smug:

or maybe Ho Chi Minh???

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Plutonis
Mar 25, 2011

Pol loving Pot.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
Pol Pot, but for lanyards

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Pol Pot, but for the trolls

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

i like the idea of a hardline sect slicing man-buns off ritualistically and the receiver bawling because of imperialist thought

THS
Sep 15, 2017

che was a meme before there were memes. he would be the best resurrected communist for this era

Frog Act
Feb 10, 2012



my girlfriend Rosa Luxemburg

weast
Nov 7, 2012

really disappointed that nobody said to bring back karl marx yet. obvious best choice, he could finish capital among other things, and his burns are amazing. can you imagine them in 2019? he would own at twitter.

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES
That’s exactly why we should thank him for his service and let him stay dead

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold
i dunno i want to read karl's take on finance capitalism

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

y'all really gotta consider the condition people's livers were in before y'all start resurrectin'

smarxist
Jul 26, 2018

by Fluffdaddy
wrong thread

smarxist fucked around with this message at 02:17 on Jul 12, 2019

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991


on an unrelated note does anyone know the name of a good russian lawyer

Lightning Knight
Feb 24, 2012

Pray for Answer

Raskolnikov38 posted:

i dunno i want to read karl's take on finance capitalism

“what the gently caress have you done???”

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES

R. Guyovich posted:

on an unrelated note does anyone know the name of a good russian lawyer

maybe Pussy Riot will help him find legal representation as he is a fellow activist :)

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

GalacticAcid posted:

I like your NEP, but I do not like your NEPmen. They are so unlike your NEP.

Lmao

Victory Position
Mar 16, 2004

NEP sings the NEP song (10 years version)

Autism Sneaks
Nov 21, 2016

Raskolnikov38 posted:

that reminds me of that terrible archangel show with the post-brosan bond where stalin is reborn and all of russia swarms around him as their new leader

it was a BBC movie adapted from a story, starring Daniel Craig as a historian who specialized in Soviet history, and the dude is Stalin's bastard who is also named Josef, but is painted as an unstable psychopath the remaining communists in Russia wanted to prop up as a figurehead. at the very end Craig's prostitute tour guide assassinates him to save the world from his imagined brutality

ScrubLeague
Feb 11, 2007

Nap Ghost
Pole Pot, and it's just for the fellas

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
now watch me NEP
now watch me nae nae

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

it was really embarrassing when romney hired the nepmen for "who let the dogs out"

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

but seriously i understand why the NEP was established but do not understand the conflicting directions of trotsky and stalin in the late 20s


what happen, it seems like stalin was ideologically fluid for no real reason

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
https://twitter.com/inquirerdotnet/status/1149556797927112704

THS
Sep 15, 2017

i say swears online posted:

but seriously i understand why the NEP was established but do not understand the conflicting directions of trotsky and stalin in the late 20s


what happen, it seems like stalin was ideologically fluid for no real reason

trotsky wanted to put a ton more resources into exporting revolution and helping communist parties in western europe. stalin thought this wouldn’t work and wanted to focus on building up the ussr’s own productive capacity, with comintern support as an afterthought (and careful to not truly piss off france and the uk). that’s my baby understanding

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo
pussy riot/red scare most ambitious crossover event in history

Ardennes
May 12, 2002

THS posted:

trotsky wanted to put a ton more resources into exporting revolution and helping communist parties in western europe. stalin thought this wouldn’t work and wanted to focus on building up the ussr’s own productive capacity, with comintern support as an afterthought (and careful to not truly piss off france and the uk). that’s my baby understanding

Granted the real background of what was going on was the Soviet Union had an extremely dire trade situation, but that involves lots of statistics so usually people ignore it.

Ardennes fucked around with this message at 15:54 on Jul 12, 2019

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES

i say swears online posted:

but seriously i understand why the NEP was established but do not understand the conflicting directions of trotsky and stalin in the late 20s


what happen, it seems like stalin was ideologically fluid for no real reason

When the material conditions change, my opinion changes.

- Stalin

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
you saw what happened in 41, the ussr taking on industrialized western europe following the civil war would probably have ended pretty badly

Ardennes
May 12, 2002

mila kunis posted:

you saw what happened in 41, the ussr taking on industrialized western europe following the civil war would probably have ended pretty badly

The Polish-Soviet War showed the West could check Soviet advances by just supplying arms.

Ferrinus
Jun 19, 2003

i'm finding this quite easy, i guess in part because i'm a fast type but also because i have a coherent mental model of the world

THS posted:

trotsky wanted to put a ton more resources into exporting revolution and helping communist parties in western europe. stalin thought this wouldn’t work and wanted to focus on building up the ussr’s own productive capacity, with comintern support as an afterthought (and careful to not truly piss off france and the uk). that’s my baby understanding

that’s also my rough apprehension, they broadly wanted the same thing but stalin had a more concrete plan for industrializing at home while trotsky thought that the whole project was doomed without more revolutions getting off the ground pronto

crazy cloud
Nov 7, 2012

by Cyrano4747
Lipstick Apathy

Plutonis posted:

Pol loving Pot.

Plutonis
Mar 25, 2011

Ardennes posted:

The Polish-Soviet War showed the West could check Soviet advances by just supplying arms.

Not to mention that Japan had troops in Siberia until like the 20s so the risk of two fronts was real

Ardennes
May 12, 2002

Plutonis posted:

Not to mention that Japan had troops in Siberia until like the 20s so the risk of two fronts was real

Yeah, they had troops around Vladivostok until 1922 and they occupied Northern Shakalin until 1925.

But yeah, but "socialism in one country" was already a de facto outcome.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
https://twitter.com/Jaccuse1/status/1149747799656763392

Fleetwood
Mar 26, 2010


biggest hochul head in china
I have an old friend who is pretty conservative and he's always trying to get me to read Gulag Archipelago. Is it worth the effort? My impression of it is that the books ignore why revolution took place in Russia and it makes a lot of heavy claims that can't be corroborated.

Karl Barks
Jan 21, 1981

apropos of nothing, I am, personally, against slave labor

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Fleetwood posted:

I have an old friend who is pretty conservative and he's always trying to get me to read Gulag Archipelago. Is it worth the effort? My impression of it is that the books ignore why revolution took place in Russia and it makes a lot of heavy claims that can't be corroborated.

no, Solzhenitsyn is a fascist and the book is just campfire stories from prisoners

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
just play Rise of the Tomb Raider's Russia sections for an equally nuanced view

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Read it on the condition he reads some Marx or something

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Victory Position
Mar 16, 2004

Assassins Creed Presents: Karl Marx

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