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Who do you wish to win the Democratic primaries? This poll is closed. |
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| Joe Biden, the Inappropriate Toucher |
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18 | 1.46% |
| Bernie Sanders, the Hand Flailer |
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665 | 54.11% |
| Elizabeth Warren, the Plan Maker |
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319 | 25.96% |
| Kamala Harris, the Cop Lord |
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26 | 2.12% |
| Cory Booker, the Super Hero Wannabe |
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5 | 0.41% |
| Julian Castro, the Twin |
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5 | 0.41% |
| Kirsten Gillibrand, the Franken Killer |
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5 | 0.41% |
| Pete Buttigieg, the Troop Sociopath |
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17 | 1.38% |
| Robert Francis O'Rourke, the Fake Latino |
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3 | 0.24% |
| Jay Inslee, the Climate Alarmist |
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8 | 0.65% |
| Marianne Williamson, the Crystal Queen |
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86 | 7.00% |
| Tulsi Gabbard, the Muslim Hater |
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23 | 1.87% |
| Andrew Yang, the $1000 Fool |
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32 | 2.60% |
| Eric Swalwell, the Insurance Wife Guy |
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2 | 0.16% |
| Amy Klobuchar, the Comb Enthusiast |
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1 | 0.08% |
| Bill de Blasio, the NYPD Most Hated |
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4 | 0.33% |
| Tim Ryan, the Dope Face |
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3 | 0.24% |
| John Hickenlooper, the Also Ran |
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7 | 0.57% |
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https://twitter.com/bad_takes/status/1149553144793202688 if only there was some common thread among these random shitlib bernie detractors in the media e: here's the article I guess https://twitter.com/juliaioffe/status/1149490172930564098
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Marxalot posted:https://twitter.com/bad_takes/status/1149553144793202688 Loved clicking that thread and finding out the person Bernie didn't meet with was a raging anti-semite lol.
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Jul 12, 2019 13:21
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Majorian posted:Indeed, I evidently gave you too much credit in thinking you could parse the difference between socialism and state capitalism. Admittedly, Soviet state “capitalism” was the result of pretty hard material circumstances more or less the same as vanguardism.
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Jul 12, 2019 14:10
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how dare bernie not meet the raging anti-semitic russian ultra-nationalists whose seminal work is just campfire stories
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Jul 12, 2019 14:23
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Marxalot posted:https://twitter.com/bad_takes/status/1149553144793202688 She got really hosed up really quickly. I remember liking her reporting a few years ago.
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Jul 12, 2019 15:01
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Bernie Derangement Syndrome is real and a hell of a thing.
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Jul 12, 2019 15:04
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Raskolnikov38 posted:how dare bernie not meet the raging anti-semitic russian ultra-nationalists whose seminal work is just campfire stories https://twitter.com/juliaioffe/status/1149496503070625792 lol
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Jul 12, 2019 15:11
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Wait, Bernie's Jewish?
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Jul 12, 2019 15:40
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Tibalt posted:Wait, Bernie's Jewish? As all hell
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Jul 12, 2019 15:41
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BrandorKP posted:Yes he has hosed up pretty bad on this. I thought he'd break in the other direction. He may yet, but it's not going to happen in this primary. This is a bizarre, asserted, just-so conception of socialism as distinct from democracy that does not actually exist. Weimar Germany is an interesting time period though, refresh my memory: who was it made the government with the Nazis in order to shut the left out of power in the Reichstag? I would otherwise generally reiterate Ytlaya's point and I do wonder how often a materialistic conception of political economy needs to be validated again and again and again before a broad acceptance takes hold that things keep happening in observable, repeated, and predictable patterns for fairly reasons.
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Jul 12, 2019 16:09
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Ruminahui posted:As all hell
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Jul 12, 2019 16:24
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Tibalt posted:Are you sure? I've never heard this brought up before. In case you aren't just being sardonic, yes and in 2016 the Hillary campaign thought about smearing him as not acting Jewish enough: 
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Jul 12, 2019 16:29
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Majorian posted:My dude, I'm (partially) ethnically Russian. A good chunk of my family quite literally died in the Gulag. So you can leave out the faux-outrage, please. What I am saying has nothing to do with culture or genes, and everything to do with historical development. China, Vietnam, and Cuba experienced horrific socioeconomic setbacks at around the time the West was industrializing because of, you guessed it, good ol' imperialism. Russia, of course, had its own fun, peculiar issues. I was born in Leningrad when it was still Leningrad. My grandfather bled on the Eastern front, so its no faux-outrage. Its a reaction to the same Orientalist horseshit peddled by the likes of Richard Pipes (the "Eastern peoples" aren't ready for democracy, self-rule, etc). Historical determinism doesn't exist. Many formerly feudal/absolutist European states transitioned to liberalism (with all of its issues) or social democracy (with all of its issues). Russia had many possible paths to socialism available to her, including Menshivik Democratic Socialism and Left SR agrarian socialism. Hell, even the Bolsheviks didn't have to go down the path of bureaucratic stagnation if they hadn't banned all "intra-party factionalism" at the Tenth Congress in 1920. Arguing that the Bolsheviks (who represented about 5%-10% of the population, in terms of the working class of Petrograd and a few other major cities) were an inevitability because Russians love them a dictator is just bs. Majorian posted:There's a reason Peter the Great and Stalin are always in the top three most beloved Russians, whenever one news source or another runs one of those silly surveys. I wonder if that's because Stalin consciously rehabilitated Peter the Great and tied himself to that line of succession and both Brezhnev and Putin consciously rehabilitated Stalin in an attempt to tie themselves into that line of succession as well. I wonder if that's a carefully crafted identity that favors those in power and not some kind of organic aspect of Russian culture. Marxalot posted:Yeah but if you say things like "and after those things we decided to wage decades of economic warfare against the communist states of the world and then publically wondered why they didn't turn out great" then some disingenuous lib or Extreme History Understander is going to say you're a Stalinist. I think the point of "socialism in one country" Autarky and later the COMECON was to severely limit the ability of the West to influence Eastern Bloc economy. Which was more of less the case. The USSR escaped the depredations of the Great Depression and other market volatility (this doesn't include things like sanctions on Cuba, which had a bigger impact given Cuba's proximity to the US and relatively small size). Also, Marx was the OG Extreme History Understander.
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Jul 12, 2019 16:40
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Trabisnikof posted:In case you aren't just being sardonic, yes and in 2016 the Hillary campaign thought about smearing him as not acting Jewish enough: not just the hillary campaign, members of the DNC leadership too
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Jul 12, 2019 16:42
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Marxalot posted:https://twitter.com/bad_takes/status/1149553144793202688 "Why didn't Bernie meet with a Monarchist rear end in a top hat who thought that the Bolsheviks were a Jewish conspiracy against Russia" is a hell of a bad take. Pembroke Fuse fucked around with this message at 16:47 on Jul 12, 2019 |
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Jul 12, 2019 16:42
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Willie Tomg posted:This is a bizarre, asserted, just-so conception of socialism as distinct from democracy that does not actually exist. Weimar Germany is an interesting time period though, refresh my memory: who was it made the government with the Nazis in order to shut the left out of power in the Reichstag? I would otherwise generally reiterate Ytlaya's point and I do wonder how often a materialistic conception of political economy needs to be validated again and again and again before a broad acceptance takes hold that things keep happening in observable, repeated, and predictable patterns for fairly reasons. KPD collaborated with the NSDAP against the SPD (as did the USSR in general). Its not that clear-cut, which is why a simplified one-size model of politics and society is not that useful. The materialistic argument would be a very big part of a much larger and more complex model (human brains and their flaws are also material in nature).
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Jul 12, 2019 16:47
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Cultures are products of material and historical circumstances, for instance: Russian culture only likes dictatorships because the lanyard capitalist mongols invaded them and launched a coup in kiev around 1250 or so against a democratically elected left-wing boyar government. Much like how America (which is pretty much the lanyard of the world) launched a coup in 2014 in Kiev which made Russian culture like dictators even more.
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Jul 12, 2019 16:51
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Tibalt posted:Are you sure? I've never heard this brought up before. 
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Jul 12, 2019 16:53
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Tibalt posted:Are you sure? I've never heard this brought up before. oh, it's been brought up 
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Jul 12, 2019 17:07
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Pembroke Fuse posted:KPD collaborated with the NSDAP against the SPD (as did the USSR in general). Its not that clear-cut, which is why a simplified one-size model of politics and society is not that useful. The materialistic argument would be a very big part of a much larger and more complex model (human brains and their flaws are also material in nature). Crucially, if we were to get in the weeds about it (not that I massively disagree with the details you've added) we'd be talking about a series of events that happened, which were documented in a way and could be discussed. That alone would be a step up. We would not be microwaving TobleroneTriangular's gimmick with a twist of The Gap In Pre-Freedom History.
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Jul 12, 2019 17:09
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The mainstream media's hatred of Bernie is only getting worse.
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Jul 12, 2019 17:11
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https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/status/1149713522311479296 Hell yeah
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Jul 12, 2019 17:17
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The Gravel campaign has a countdown for hitting the donor requirement: http://www.graveldonorcount.com/ About 2,600 donors to go.
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Jul 12, 2019 17:27
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Now that's the good poo poo
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Jul 12, 2019 17:28
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Expect Bernie to endorse court packing next week, after seeing the popularity of these kinds of ideas (pioneered by noted policy expert Elizabeth Warren). Monkey see, monkey do
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Jul 12, 2019 17:32
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This threads reminding me that I needed to contribute. Here's some money Bernie:  Please win thx
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Jul 12, 2019 17:37
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Wicked Them Beats posted:The Gravel campaign has a countdown for hitting the donor requirement: http://www.graveldonorcount.com/ A few more McChickens ought to do it, eh? Ginette Reno posted:This threads reminding me that I needed to contribute. Here's some money Bernie: See there you go, spend money in an actually productive fashion. Good for you. (Pls win Bernie)
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Jul 12, 2019 17:42
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VH4Ever posted:A few more McChickens ought to do it, eh? Getting Gravel into the debates IS productive
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Jul 12, 2019 18:04
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Lol, someone can't take a joke. I apologize if my joke about Bernie's jewishness offended you and I'm sorry if you're upset about him being Jewish.
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Jul 12, 2019 18:04
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Tibalt posted:Lol, someone can't take a joke. VH4ever is very serious about this
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Jul 12, 2019 18:06
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What was the joke, exactly.
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Jul 12, 2019 18:08
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Tibalt posted:Lol, someone can't take a joke. This is what people say when they want to pretend their lovely joke didn't bomb.
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Jul 12, 2019 18:13
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Oh Snapple! posted:What was the joke, exactly. Two-mana planeswalkers.
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Jul 12, 2019 18:17
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This is really interesting https://twitter.com/chrislhayes/status/1149728625933115393
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Jul 12, 2019 18:18
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Blue Footed Booby posted:This is what people say when they want to pretend their lovely joke didn't bomb.
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Jul 12, 2019 18:20
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Tibalt posted:Lol, someone can't take a joke. EDIT: nevermind, you weren't. Be more specific next time. King of Solomon posted:Getting Gravel into the debates IS productive Right. Will the old folks' home day trip van bring him to the debates too? VH4Ever fucked around with this message at 18:41 on Jul 12, 2019 |
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Jul 12, 2019 18:39
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Pembroke Fuse posted:Russia had many possible paths to socialism available to her, including Menshivik Democratic Socialism and Left SR agrarian socialism. Hell, even the Bolsheviks didn't have to go down the path of bureaucratic stagnation if they hadn't banned all "intra-party factionalism" at the Tenth Congress in 1920. Arguing that the Bolsheviks (who represented about 5%-10% of the population, in terms of the working class of Petrograd and a few other major cities) were an inevitability because Russians love them a dictator is just bs. The obvious issue is that the February Revolution had already happened, and the reason why the workers and soldiers threw their lot with the Bolsheviks was because of the general failures of both Lvov and Kerensky to both affect any real change or stop the war. Also, the right SRs actually who got a majority really couldn't capitalize on their support in the countryside in a large part because they were a largely decentralized one issue party that (clearly) wasn't prepared to actually run the country (there is a reason why they got lost in the mix later). It wasn't because of "Russian culture" but ultimately what choices were available, and the rise of the Bolsheviks was the result of the general failures of their opposition to affect any real course of action. quote:I think the point of "socialism in one country" Autarky and later the COMECON was to severely limit the ability of the West to influence Eastern Bloc economy. Which was more of less the case. The USSR escaped the depredations of the Great Depression and other market volatility (this doesn't include things like sanctions on Cuba, which had a bigger impact given Cuba's proximity to the US and relatively small size). Eh, no, it was the result of the inability of Russia or the Soviet Union to compete on the same level as other economies, moreover, the Great Depression actually did tremendously affect the Soviet Union. It is a complete myth that it didn't. Also, Comecon was also more complicated than just "limiting the Western influence." Pembroke Fuse posted:KPD collaborated with the NSDAP against the SPD (as did the USSR in general). Its not that clear-cut, which is why a simplified one-size model of politics and society is not that useful. The materialistic argument would be a very big part of a much larger and more complex model (human brains and their flaws are also material in nature). Wasn't the "collaboration" a couple of isolation incidences involving strikes? Moreover, the SDP refused to work with the KPD in either case, but the Center Party was happy to work directly with the NSDAP. No Russians are "not destinated to dictatorship" but "I am more Russian than thou thus I am right" is similarly tiresome. --------------------- Also, this is the primary thread, but I have to say one thing. This primary does have a historical context, and competition between candidates isn't just the result of petty party infighting. Ardennes fucked around with this message at 18:43 on Jul 12, 2019 |
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theblackw0lf posted:This is really interesting lol quote:"If you were looking to buy a rising stock, you would look at future market share and indicators of strong fundamentals,” said Adam Green, co-founder of the Progressive Change Campaign Committee, which backs Warren.
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Abolishing the EC is objectively correct. There is absolutely no good reason to preserve the EC. I argue that there’s no good reason to have a Senate either, but people get mad when I say that.
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