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| Joe Biden, the Inappropriate Toucher |
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18 | 1.46% |
| Bernie Sanders, the Hand Flailer |
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665 | 54.11% |
| Elizabeth Warren, the Plan Maker |
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319 | 25.96% |
| Kamala Harris, the Cop Lord |
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26 | 2.12% |
| Cory Booker, the Super Hero Wannabe |
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5 | 0.41% |
| Julian Castro, the Twin |
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5 | 0.41% |
| Kirsten Gillibrand, the Franken Killer |
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5 | 0.41% |
| Pete Buttigieg, the Troop Sociopath |
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17 | 1.38% |
| Robert Francis O'Rourke, the Fake Latino |
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3 | 0.24% |
| Jay Inslee, the Climate Alarmist |
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8 | 0.65% |
| Marianne Williamson, the Crystal Queen |
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86 | 7.00% |
| Tulsi Gabbard, the Muslim Hater |
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23 | 1.87% |
| Andrew Yang, the $1000 Fool |
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32 | 2.60% |
| Eric Swalwell, the Insurance Wife Guy |
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2 | 0.16% |
| Amy Klobuchar, the Comb Enthusiast |
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1 | 0.08% |
| Bill de Blasio, the NYPD Most Hated |
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4 | 0.33% |
| Tim Ryan, the Dope Face |
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3 | 0.24% |
| John Hickenlooper, the Also Ran |
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7 | 0.57% |
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King of Solomon posted:Getting Gravel into the debates IS productive
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Gravel owns and it’s questionable why anybody wouldn’t want him there to destroy the neoliberals and their imperialism. Warren and Biden specifically are some of the most vicious war hawks I’ve ever seen . Even Marianne is good and I’m happy to give her campaign even more money , to her, Gravel and Bernie.
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Jul 12, 2019 19:00
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It'd be one thing if Gravel was seriously looking to become president and could potentially steal supporters away from Bernie, there was some potential, however small, of that happening with Gabbard initially (and I made sure to tell the progressive friends I knew who were on the fence between her and Bernie how bad her record is on certain issues). But the guy is 89 and I doubt has any real delusions of running and won't qualify for the later debates anyhow. In which case I have zero problem with showing people that ad and telling them that if they donate a whopping $1, if nothing else they might be able to make similar ads going forward and he could get to the next debate and trash some of the awful candidates. And I can only see that helping no matter how small of an effect it might have (probably enough to justify the $1 expenditure).
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Jul 12, 2019 19:05
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TrixR4kids posted:It'd be one thing if Gravel was seriously looking to become president and could potentially steal supporters away from Bernie, there was some potential, however small, of that happening with Gabbard initially (and I made sure to tell the progressive friends I knew who were on the fence between her and Bernie how bad her record is on certain issues). But the guy is 90 and I doubt has any real delusions of running and won't qualify for the later debates anyhow. In which case I have zero problem with showing people that ad and telling them that if they donate a whopping $1, if nothing else they might be able to make similar ads going forward and he could get to the next debate and trash some of the awful candidates. And I can only see that helping no matter how small of an effect it might have (probably enough to justify the $1 expenditure). my god what kind of monster would look at Tulsi and be like yeah I want her as the president . Gravel is 90 and is more in touch with how awful America is than some weird robot like Pete butt
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Jul 12, 2019 19:06
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Punk da Bundo posted:my god what kind of monster would look at Tulsi and be like yeah I want her as the president . Gravel is 90 and is more in touch with how awful America is than some weird robot like Pete butt unfortunately, he isn't very much in touch with america
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Jul 12, 2019 19:07
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Honestly I'd be 100% cool with a hypothetical Williamson administration that didn't try to gently caress around with the CDC and NIH, even if her equally hypothetical nomination would be a total poo poo show with most of America not having been inured as I was with a hippified upbringing to the Crystals and Woo Aesthetic.
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Jul 12, 2019 19:08
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https://twitter.com/thedailybeast/status/1149654663773343744 its extremely disheartening to me that warren is finding ways to get around paying her staff it calls into question her labor friendlyness (which is supposed to be her selling point) when she's pulling this stuff
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Jul 12, 2019 19:08
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Punk da Bundo posted:my god what kind of monster would look at Tulsi and be like yeah I want her as the president . Gravel is 90 and is more in touch with how awful America is than some weird robot like Pete butt
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Jul 12, 2019 19:10
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Condiv posted:https://twitter.com/thedailybeast/status/1149654663773343744 Stretching a dollar is the only thing the DNC seems to be good at anymore. TBH a lot of DCCC resentment toward the Justice Dems makes a lot more sense when you realize each of the freshmen represent an opportunity cost of wealthy potential donors untapped and phones unbanked, leaving the grift coffers that much more empty. IMO Pelosi's statements about naivety aren't even about policy or tone so much as frustration that the freshman reps are doing politics instead of fundraising as would be good and proper for their first two terms.
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Pembroke Fuse posted:I was born in Leningrad when it was still Leningrad. My grandfather bled on the Eastern front, so its no faux-outrage. Its a reaction to the same Orientalist horseshit peddled by the likes of Richard Pipes (the "Eastern peoples" aren't ready for democracy, self-rule, etc). Historical determinism doesn't exist. Many formerly feudal/absolutist European states transitioned to liberalism (with all of its issues) or social democracy (with all of its issues). Russia had many possible paths to socialism available to her, including Menshivik Democratic Socialism and Left SR agrarian socialism. Hell, even the Bolsheviks didn't have to go down the path of bureaucratic stagnation if they hadn't banned all "intra-party factionalism" at the Tenth Congress in 1920. Arguing that the Bolsheviks (who represented about 5%-10% of the population, in terms of the working class of Petrograd and a few other major cities) were an inevitability because Russians love them a dictator is just bs. But again, as others have noted, that's not what I was saying. I'm about as far from a Richard Pipes-type "Eurasian/Asiatic Menace!" person as it gets. Russians don't "love them a dictator," but they do love strong rulers. This is hardly peculiar to Russia; the U.S. does too. One of the few accurate maxims that Bill Clinton ever made was that Americans prefer a president who is "strong and wrong" to one who is "weak and right." You're right that historical determinism doesn't exist, but you can't really fairly deny that Russia's political development before the Revolution, particularly in the 19th century, along with the experience of the Civil War, played a pretty massive role in how Marx-Leninism played out there. So just flat-out equating the USSR with socialism (which, no, you weren't necessarily doing, but other people ITT were) is a pretty ahistoric analysis. e: This is getting off-topic, though, so if we want to continue this discussion, let's do it elsewhere. Typo posted:unfortunately, he isn't very much in touch with america How is he not in-touch with America? It seems to me like he supports a lot of popular things. Majorian fucked around with this message at 19:26 on Jul 12, 2019 |
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Jul 12, 2019 19:13
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Ginette Reno posted:This threads reminding me that I needed to contribute. Here's some money Bernie: Wow thats about 1/50th of a new coat
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Jul 12, 2019 19:25
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Condiv posted:https://twitter.com/thedailybeast/status/1149654663773343744
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Jul 12, 2019 19:34
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TrixR4kids posted:Exactly and it's kinda disappointing more progressive outlets aren't signal boosting this or treating it like it's some type of joke in the first place. He's there to go negative on the bad candidates, something Bernie won't do. it didn't help that the weird teens running his entire campaign keep trying to make things about them and making weird 'haha yea I'm going to Oxford but I still wanna join the military after doing ROTC, you know, for woke reasons' comments. That's the problem with a campaign literally run by other people, no one really is getting much of Gravel's messaging because, ya know, he's not doing anything
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Jul 12, 2019 19:38
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Condiv posted:https://twitter.com/thedailybeast/status/1149654663773343744 whenever people get mad at you for pointing out that she was a republican until recently you can point to stuff like this
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Jul 12, 2019 19:38
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TrixR4kids posted:A media piece that is actually critical of Warren!? 0_0
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Jul 12, 2019 19:39
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Of course Bernie is right about this but the electoral college is such low hanging fruit....
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Jul 12, 2019 19:41
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mcmagic posted:Of course Bernie is right about this but the electoral college is such low hanging fruit.... Are all the other candidates calling for this? No? Then it's a good thing for him to call for.
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Jul 12, 2019 19:46
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Majorian posted:Are all the other candidates calling for this? No? Then it's a good thing for him to call for. There are D candidates who say they want to keep the electoral college?
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mcmagic posted:There are D candidates who say they want to keep the electoral college? that's not what he asked
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Jul 12, 2019 19:48
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Majorian posted:Are all the other candidates calling for this? No? Then it's a good thing for him to call for. Yes every major non-Biden candidate. Warren has had a much stronger position on this for months.
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Jul 12, 2019 19:51
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Anarkii posted:Yes every major non-Biden candidate. Warren has had a much stronger position on this for months. Biden wants to keep the electoral college? LOL of course he does.
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Jul 12, 2019 19:52
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Anarkii posted:Yes every major non-Biden candidate. Warren has had a much stronger position on this for months. That "non-Biden" exception feels like a significant one.
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Jul 12, 2019 19:52
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Lmao Warren doesn’t pay her interns, was a republican until almost 50 and has a plannnnnnn for “that”. What a lovely person
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Jul 12, 2019 19:52
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Warren should pay her interns immediately.
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Jul 12, 2019 19:53
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mcmagic posted:Warren should pay her interns immediately. as the article explains she does pay her interns however she does not pay her "fellows" who perform the exact same tasks as the interns fact check: four pinnochios
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Jul 12, 2019 19:56
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sexpig by night posted:it didn't help that the weird teens running his entire campaign keep trying to make things about them and making weird 'haha yea I'm going to Oxford but I still wanna join the military after doing ROTC, you know, for woke reasons' comments. That's the problem with a campaign literally run by other people, no one really is getting much of Gravel's messaging because, ya know, he's not doing anything
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Jul 12, 2019 19:58
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Gravel and Marianne both need to stay in to make the contrast evident between lovely liberals like warren and Biden vs progressives like Bernie
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Jul 12, 2019 20:02
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Condiv posted:https://twitter.com/thedailybeast/status/1149654663773343744 I'd think her planning to take big money contributions would be the bigger giveaway that shes been bought by capital
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Jul 12, 2019 20:22
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Lol warren will take money from corporations but she totalllllly will fix capitalism everybody.
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Jul 12, 2019 20:34
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Punk da Bundo posted:Lol warren will take money from corporations but she totalllllly will fix capitalism everybody. Nothing is "fixing" capitalism, you weird idiot. The world is burning up and nothing can stop it.
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Jul 12, 2019 20:42
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look everyone knows that as soon as someone who is smart is in charge everything will instantly be fixed
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Jul 12, 2019 20:43
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Jesus Christ shut the gently caress up about Russia you weirdos lol. We have an entire thread about Russian history Ard put a lot of work into, go post in it.
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Jul 12, 2019 20:46
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How are u posted:Nothing is "fixing" capitalism, you weird idiot. The world is burning up and nothing can stop it. so hostile for no reason when Warren is capitalism defender number one and will destroy the USA
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Jul 12, 2019 20:50
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The Warren fellowship program sounds similar to the Obama fellowship program that was done during 2012. People would apply, and those chosen would be given an extensive course in community organizing. During that time while learning, they also performed tasks that would be the responsibility of a community/field organizer. After the program, many then were chosen to become paid field organizers in key states. Many others went and chose to use the skills they learned in other areas. The problem is if you made it so every fellowship program had to be paid, you cut off the amount of people that can participate in such a program. I know quite a few people who went through the fellowship program and were grateful for the learning opportunity. Yes you are also performing tasks, but part of learning how to be a community organizer is to actually practice community organizing. It also sounds like the work hour requirements for the Warren campaign aren't that much. This would be an issue if the Warren campaign didn't offer paid internships as well. But it sounds like they do. But also offer this unpaid fellowship program as well. Also the interns are required to work more hours (30 compared to some other amount for unpaid) theblackw0lf fucked around with this message at 20:57 on Jul 12, 2019 |
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Jul 12, 2019 20:53
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The idea of doing work for free in exchange for experience is bullshit , and that you should “pay your dues” is an outdated way of thinking . You work , you get paid . Warren, being a Republican at heart , can’t let that bootstrap mentality go
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Jul 12, 2019 20:56
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https://twitter.com/katielannan/status/1018852303212896257 What’s that? Warren is an Obama-like con-artist running an Obama-style grift? Unthinkable. ded redd fucked around with this message at 21:07 on Jul 12, 2019 |
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Jul 12, 2019 20:57
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theblackw0lf posted:The Warren fellowship program sounds similar to the Obama fellowship program that was done during 2012. when you don't pay people, it naturally limits the amount of people that can participate in a program to those who don't have to worry about money
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Jul 12, 2019 21:07
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Condiv posted:DNC Primary 2020: it naturally limits the amount of people that can participate in a program to those who don't have to worry about money
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Condiv posted:when you don't pay people, it naturally limits the amount of people that can participate in a program to those who don't have to worry about money So it seems like having a paid and unpaid program is probably the right solution then. Good thing that’s what Warren does!
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