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Cavauro posted:bout to see an "as a gay man," argument being done by 15 different people all against eachother for the first time right here in wrestling hut. now that's cool someone's never been in the fabgoons thread
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The worst part for me is Cornette is incapable of doing any kind of genuine apology and just ran around making GBS threads himself in response, which he also did recently about calling someone a racial slur in SMW by throwing out the gold standards of “it was a long time ago, I was angry, and I’m sorry if you were offended”
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I thought this would be the reason why people would be mad about Cornette this week: https://twitter.com/AndyTMonaghan/status/1149348719688585218
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Jul 13, 2019 03:20
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Cavauro posted:bout to see an "as a gay man," argument being done by 15 different people all against eachother for the first time right here in wrestling hut. now that's cool lol Edited my response. If other people in the community had/have problems with it that's fair, I didn't at the time but that's my bad, and it certainly wouldn't be the first time I've misinterpreted something Aesop Poprock posted:The worst part for me is Cornette is incapable of doing any kind of genuine apology and just ran around making GBS threads himself in response, which he also did recently about calling someone a racial slur in SMW by throwing out the gold standards of “it was a long time ago, I was angry, and I’m sorry if you were offended” And his instinct is to double down, whether it's because he genuinely thinks he's correct and that's the only possibility, or because he sees something he said getting a reaction and is more than happy enough to keep it going in hopes it'll add followers/subscribers/listeners
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SaberToothedPie posted:If sonny kiss showed up in new japan i wouldnt buy it I could easily see him in a match with Taguchi.
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Chris James 2 posted:And his instinct is to double down, whether it's because he genuinely thinks he's correct and that's the only possibility, or because he sees something he said getting a reaction and is more than happy enough to keep it going in hopes it'll add followers/subscribers/listeners Yep he made a living inciting an audience.
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rovert posted:Yep he made a living inciting an audience. It's one of the two big downsides imo to a lot of wrestling personalities getting in on the podcast bandwagon these days The other is obviously not a lot of them are interesting enough to really justify a regular podcast worth listening to (Bellas are the recent ones that immediately come to mind)
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Jul 13, 2019 03:26
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rovert posted:I thought this would be the reason why people would be mad about Cornette this week: I dont want to listen to cornette, what is it
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he thinks they should have pushed hard that they had a trans wrestler employed; exploited it for news/views or whatever. Doesn't get why it was good not to do that. at least that's what i got from listening to about 2 minutes
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Junpei Hyde posted:I dont want to listen to cornette, what is it Cornette said she (and a heel manager who would talk her up before she'd appear on camera) should play up being biologically born male and make it part of the gimmick that she has an unfair athletic advantage against all the women in the division due to her past. And have a Gail Kim type eventually beat her. Kinda like TNA with the monster heel Awesome Kong and Gail Kim. Lean in on bigotry and the current discussion in female sports basically. Thinks Wrestling companies are too concerned with a relatively small number of constantly offended fans than actually drawing heat and money.
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rovert posted:Cornette said she (and a heel manager who would talk her up before she'd appear on camera) should play up being biologically born male and make it part of the gimmick that she has an unfair athletic advantage against all the women in the division due to her past. wow I cannot imagine a worse way to work with Nyla rose
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rovert posted:Yep he made a living inciting an audience.
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Cavauro posted:he thinks they should have pushed hard that they had a trans wrestler employed; exploited it for news/views or whatever. Doesn't get why it was good not to do that. at least that's what i got from listening to about 2 minutes He massively misjudged using the Gangstas in Smokey Mountain Wrestling and playing off overt racism in 1994/5. So it isn't a surprise he can't discern good heat from bad heat here.
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rovert posted:Cornette said she (and a heel manager who would talk her up before she'd appear on camera) should play up being biologically born male and make it part of the gimmick that she has an unfair athletic advantage against all the women in the division due to her past. This is literally the worst idea I've ever heard in my life
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rovert posted:Cornette said she (and a heel manager who would talk her up before she'd appear on camera) should play up being biologically born male and make it part of the gimmick that she has an unfair athletic advantage against all the women in the division due to her past. Woah, this suck rear end
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rovert posted:Cornette said she (and a heel manager who would talk her up before she'd appear on camera) should play up being biologically born male and make it part of the gimmick that she has an unfair athletic advantage against all the women in the division due to her past. cancelled
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rovert posted:Cornette said she (and a heel manager who would talk her up before she'd appear on camera) should play up being biologically born male and make it part of the gimmick that she has an unfair athletic advantage against all the women in the division due to her past. More broadly, Cornette also seemed gobsmacked that AEW hasn't ever mentioned that Nyla is trans in the context of getting good publicity. Which misses that AEW is (very obviously) purposefully avoiding touting their bonafides with regards to diversity (and other stuff like philanthropy) to avoid being seen as pushy/fake/overly cynical like WWE is.
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Cornette really demonstrates more and more often that the wrestling business has really moved on and he - a guy who used to be on the cutting edge/innovative - is a relic of the past. It's a shame, but at least he's putting this stuff out there with no actual power over any wrestling promotion unlike guys like Vince McMahon who are both completely out of touch AND still in a position to dictate what happens on a show.
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Isn't the male to female trans controversy a real thing in MMA, weight lifting and other sports? I guess I can see where Cornette is coming from, but I still think it is a bad angle and he can miss me with the bullshit. E: Jerusalem posted:Cornette really demonstrates more and more often that the wrestling business has really moved on and he - a guy who used to be on the cutting edge/innovative - is a relic of the past. It's a shame, but at least he's putting this stuff out there with no actual power over any wrestling promotion unlike guys like Vince McMahon who are both completely out of touch AND still in a position to dictate what happens on a show. 100% agree. Malcolm Excellent fucked around with this message at 04:58 on Jul 13, 2019 |
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Jerusalem posted:he - a guy who used to be on the cutting edge/innovative Was he, though? Malcolm Excellent posted:Isn't the male to female trans controversy a real thing in MMA, weight lifting and other sports? I guess I can see where Cornette is coming from, but I still think it is a bad angle and he can miss me with the bullshit. One of the good things about being a fake, carny sport is that you can completely ignore all the poo poo-slinging that comes from controversies around legitimate competition.
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dsriggs posted:Was he, though? He knew what fans wanted and didn't want, he knew how to get people excited and react as he wanted and make them eager for more. Even then, there was an element of some square-peg/round hole stuff (wanting Lance Storm to be a "Thrillseeker" etc) but he was still ahead of the game over other holdouts from the territory era who tried to hold on to what used to work regardless of the audience clearly rejecting it. Now he's old man yelling at a cloud and it's pretty sad.
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The tagline he came up with for Smoky Mountain Wrestling was "Wrestling the way it used to be & the way you like it". Knowing what your fans like doesn't mean you're innovating anything.
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dsriggs posted:The tagline he came up with for Smoky Mountain Wrestling was "Wrestling the way it used to be & the way you like it". Knowing what your fans like doesn't mean you're innovating anything. He did have a habit of recycling old Mid-South and Memphis angles in SMW, but there was a perfectly healthy amount of new ideas, too. And that doesn't really make him that different from other bookers, regardless; the difference was the era and tape traders being familiar with the angles he was recycling. But no, he was never the most creative booker the way that, say, Gilbert or Heyman, his contemporaries, were. And yes, based on the ROH run and his fantasy booking (both on the podcast and the Guest Booker DVD) it does seem like he completely lost the plot, booking-wise, after WWE fired him.
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rovert posted:He massively misjudged using the Gangstas in Smokey Mountain Wrestling and playing off overt racism in 1994/5. So it isn't a surprise he can't discern good heat from bad heat here. yeah but that OJ promo is maybe a top 10 wrestling promo for the crowd reaction
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Malcolm Excellent posted:Isn't the male to female trans controversy a real thing in MMA, weight lifting and other sports? I guess I can see where Cornette is coming from, but I still think it is a bad angle and he can miss me with the bullshit. In a way for a while there was a male to female MMA fighter and all the geneti s etc got thrown around. It overlooked the parts on weight limits and others. It disappeared when she got knocked the gently caress out by another woman.
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Lid posted:In a way for a while there was a male to female MMA fighter and all the geneti s etc got thrown around. It overlooked the parts on weight limits and others. It disappeared when she got knocked the gently caress out by another woman. And outside of MMA, the big "controversy" is track runner Caster Semenya, a cis woman who never identified as otherwise, getting subjected to humiliating testosterone/gender tests because white people couldn't deal with her destroying the competition and had to make up ways to discredit her. This "debate" has always been complete bullshit drummed up by bad-faith actors, and AEW is smart to sidestep all that and push Nyla Rose as exactly the person she is -- a strong dominant woman. That's all she ever needs to be in kayfabe.
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Benne posted:white people couldn't deal with her destroying the competition and had to make up ways to discredit her. Because white people of all genders have dominated sprinting. Oh wait.
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Benne posted:And outside of MMA, the big "controversy" is track runner Caster Semenya, a cis woman who never identified as otherwise, getting subjected to humiliating testosterone/gender tests because white people couldn't deal with her destroying the competition and had to make up ways to discredit her. Track and field women issues dates back a lot earlier than Semenya, namely East Germany in the 80s whose government run doping program on female athletes resulted in several of them transitioning to male due to hormone overdose, such as Andreas Krieger, along with previous athletes if the 20th century notably Stanisława Walasiewicz better known as Stella Walsh. Its a long and complicated history.
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Benne posted:And outside of MMA, the big "controversy" is track runner Caster Semenya, a cis woman who never identified as otherwise, getting subjected to humiliating testosterone/gender tests because white people couldn't deal with her destroying the competition and had to make up ways to discredit her. Yeah there's probably no way to make Nyla's gender part of her on-screen character without stepping on a rake so the way they're doing it is perfect. Although uh she probably shoulda won at Fyter Fest.
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Cavauro posted:bout to see an "as a gay man," argument being done by 15 different people all against eachother for the first time right here in wrestling hut. now that's cool As a parent, I... Wait, gently caress
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dsriggs posted:The tagline he came up with for Smoky Mountain Wrestling was "Wrestling the way it used to be & the way you like it". Knowing what your fans like doesn't mean you're innovating anything. SMW had a lot of innovative new ideas, particularly on the marketing end where it tried to appeal to newsletter fans and do special events to appeal to traveling fans.
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The Nyla Rose thing is especially frustrating cause Cornette was just talking about how awesome she was and how he thinks she could be a huge deal without ever mentioning she was trans, which means he probably just found out and had to wade in like a dumbass about something he should know not to touch ever with his old man opinions
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Aesop Poprock posted:The Nyla Rose thing is especially frustrating cause Cornette was just talking about how awesome she was and how he thinks she could be a huge deal without ever mentioning she was trans, which means he probably just found out and had to wade in like a dumbass about something he should know not to touch ever with his old man opinions Agreed. It was kind of disheartening to hear him turn her into a gimmick based on her gender after the co-host told him. I thought he knew before the podcast a few days ago and just accepted it and moved on. His booking mentality isn't necessarily transphobic though. It's just exploitative based on current events. Not that the end result can't be both of course.
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Second to last episode on the Hogan bio! If you've ever wanted to hear Hulk's thoughts on his big WCW run well, he ignores most of it to make up stories about celebrities! https://twitter.com/mongo_ebooks/status/1150089225800429569
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