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infernal machines posted:Warren Kinsella: Dipshit whisperer and double secret counter intel operative. Elizabeth had to admit that she does not have the sophistication it takes to deal with this stuff
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Greens don't give that money to noted scumbag Warren Kinsella, I will accept half his fee to do the same job and tell you to expect attacks along the lines of "you're hippies who believe wifi causes cancer, homeopathy is valid medicine, and the economy is just a state of mind"
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Here's What Canada Can Learn From Hamilton, Ont.'s Far-Right Problem I've been posting about this a lot, but I feel strongly about it. Hamilton is a microcosm of what's to come for the rest of us. I think that by understanding their recent past and present we can get a better grasp of what to expect and how to respond.
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That article is skimpy on details. Is there a better source for info on Hamilton's fascism problem, or is a molehill being signal boosted into a mountain? I'm surprised I don't see more stories about anti-FN racism given its proximity to Six Nations.
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just another posted:That article is skimpy on details. Is there a better source for info on Hamilton's fascism problem, or is a molehill being signal boosted into a mountain? As someone who's been closely following it since the beginning, I don't think that it's overblown. But, there is a lot of context that makes it hard to summarize. Maybe I should write an essay about it.
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The catalyst right now was the Pride celebration in June. Nobody can reliably say who caused the fight between the alt-right and antifascists there, but the alt-right beat people with a weapon and made a meme out of it. The following week, the same people came to Toronto Pride and caused a fight in Eaton Center. (Unlike at Hamilton Pride, there's unambiguous evidence that he went to Toronto Pride with the intention of a fight.) This is why I think Hamilton is important to pay attention to: they export their politics to Toronto and other GTA cities. (Before Hamilton Pride, they protested in Brampton.) Afterward, Hamilton Police started arresting queer antifascists, who've come to be called the Pride Defenders. First and most notably Cedar Hopperton, who had their parole revoked for criticizing the police. A day of action lead to worldwide protests; a demonstration outside the mayor's house lead to the immediate arrest of that person as well. The city responded to criticism by banning pretty much all kinds of protest. Because of that, anarchists have occupied city hall since Friday and are staying over the weekend. Because of that, the mayor has started to plan for what he literally calls a "Hate Summit" to discuss... the hate against himself. The mayor previously called anarchists terrorists and banned the circle-A as hate speech against police. Two city councilors, 350 local businesses, 100 academics and the Canadian Civil Liberties Union have shown support for Cedar, and an independent investigation of the police has been called for. When it comes specifically to the alt-right and their development, these articles scratch the surface: * Hamilton anarchist space, The Tower, has been vandalized * Hamilton’s landscape of hate: How far-right extremists are finding fertile ground xtal fucked around with this message at 05:24 on Jul 14, 2019 |
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Jul 14, 2019 05:04
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xtal posted:The catalyst right now was the Pride celebration in June. Nobody can reliably say who caused the fight between the alt-right and antifascists there, but the alt-right beat people with a weapon and made a meme out of it. The following week, the same people came to Toronto Pride and caused a fight in Eaton Center. (Unlike at Hamilton Pride, there's unambiguous evidence that he went to Toronto Pride with the intention of a fight.) This is why I think Hamilton is important to pay attention to: they export their politics to Toronto and other GTA cities. (Before Hamilton Pride, they protested in Brampton.) Wasn't Cedar a goon here many years ago?
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Jul 14, 2019 05:33
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the cops will not stop loving with cedar. gently caress em.
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zapplez posted:Wasn't Cedar a goon here many years ago? AMAB trans anarchist? Very likely. I was at the City Hall encampment twice today, and I’ve been involved in some community organizing efforts since Pride. Hamilton’s queers are pissed, and for good reason.
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Jul 14, 2019 07:35
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We've had dipshit yellow vesters in front of City Hall each weekend and I've seen Soldiers of Odin downtown. loving right we have a goddamned problem here. Hamilton police are sufficiently terrible that they once carded our only black city councillor because he was pedestrianing while black.
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Jul 14, 2019 13:27
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On a bright note, I had my civics summer school students do an assignment on Quebecs secularism law and they all thought the law was dumb and used our CoRF to back up their opinion. On a less bright note in our class of about 30 1 voted conservative and 2 voted peoples party in our mock election. I'm hoping they were just being edge lords.
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Jul 14, 2019 17:48
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https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/racial-discrimination-department-of-national-defence-halifax-workplace-apprentice-1.5207193
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https://www.cbc.ca/news/opinion/liberal-campaigning-1.5211029 Love to see Harper’s director of communications writing opinion pieces for the CBC. Gotta present both sides to be fair.
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Jul 14, 2019 19:22
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Mad Hamish posted:We've had dipshit yellow vesters in front of City Hall each weekend and I've seen Soldiers of Odin downtown. loving right we have a goddamned problem here. It's an Ontario thing. The six months I spent in that shithole province were filled with such outrageous levels of casual bigotry and racism from everyone I met.
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Jul 14, 2019 21:14
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Rime posted:It's an Ontario thing. The six months I spent in that shithole province were filled with such outrageous levels of casual bigotry and racism from everyone I met. Naw, we still have yellow vest racists out yelling slurs at brown people near the mall every weekend. I mean, the Okanagan might as well be Ontario, but still, BC isn’t immune.
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Jul 14, 2019 21:17
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BGrifter posted:Naw, we still have yellow vest racists out yelling slurs at brown people near the mall every weekend. I mean, the Okanagan might as well be Ontario, but still, BC isn’t immune. The Okanagan is demographically dominated by Albertan expats now.
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Jul 14, 2019 21:22
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Rime posted:The Okanagan is demographically dominated by Albertan expats now. And, in my experience, lower mainlanders who had to "get away from all the Chinese"
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Jul 14, 2019 21:29
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Well they're not wrong about nothing but garbage coming from Trudeau's mouth but that garbage will be that the only way to save ourselves from fascism is to throw our support behind lovely centrists like him and his party.
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Jul 14, 2019 21:30
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Rime posted:The Okanagan is demographically dominated by Albertan expats now. Yup. It’s a weird mix of racist Albertans and Indo-Canadian families constantly in tension.
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Mr. Apollo posted:https://www.cbc.ca/news/opinion/liberal-campaigning-1.5211029 Yeah, pretty much.
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Jul 14, 2019 22:10
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xtal posted:As someone who's been closely following it since the beginning, I don't think that it's overblown. But, there is a lot of context that makes it hard to summarize. Maybe I should write an essay about it. If you could, that would be awesome. I'm embarrassingly uninformed on this in Canada vs the USA despite being a gay Albertan. The news I have heard about it is pretty concerning
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Jul 14, 2019 22:39
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Yeah what's happening in Hamilton isn't something to make light of, lest the city pulls its head out of its rear end and starts arresting nazis. Don't think anywhere is sacrosanct from this poo poo. All signs are pointing to it spreading.
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Jul 14, 2019 23:08
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Didn't the Anarchists start it when they razed the main street a few years ago?
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Postess with the Mostest posted:Didn't the Anarchists start it when they razed the main street a few years ago? ... What?
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Eox posted:... What?
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Rime posted:The Okanagan is demographically dominated by Albertan expats now. Had this sort of conversation with my retired Albertan neighbours recently - they`re certain the majority of British Columbians support the TMX pipeline and Horgan is only going through the motions of opposing it because he`s being held hostage by the evil Greens. (Not an impossible scenario, I suppose.) They had a problem with the concept that there`s a gradient - the closer you get to the coast the less support for TMX, especially if you`re not talking to an ex-flatlander. They seem genuinely troubled by the presence of two people who have spent a significant time working on the water and don`t want to see dilbit in it. I`m sure they`ll be the first on the beach with their mops and buckets if we have a spill.
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Hexigrammus posted:I`m sure they`ll be the first on the beach with their mops and buckets Agreed with the rest but that minor detail needed a little fix.
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BGrifter posted:Agreed with the rest but that minor detail needed a little fix. Judging from the pipeline's track record, a land based spill seems just as, if not more, likely than a marine spill. That is to say, cleanup efforts might need to be directed to locations other than the beach.
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Hexigrammus posted:Had this sort of conversation with my retired Albertan neighbours recently - they`re certain the majority of British Columbians support the TMX pipeline and Horgan is only going through the motions of opposing it because he`s being held hostage by the evil Greens. (Not an impossible scenario, I suppose.) I suspect that's skewed by the folks who don't usually vote NDP/Green though.
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Postess with the Mostest posted:Didn't the Anarchists start it when they razed the main street a few years ago? The anarchists would say they started it by being bougie rent-seekers and politicians. That said, the Locke St demo did cause a widespread backlash against the far-left from every other part of the spectrum, and that is necessary context for what's happening right now. Cedar was the figurehead for both incidents. This creates dissonance for the people who relate to one issue but not the other.
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xtal posted:The anarchists would say they started it by being bougie rent-seekers and politicians. That said, the Locke St demo did cause a widespread backlash against the far-left from every other part of the spectrum, and that is necessary context for what's happening right now. Cedar was the figurehead for both incidents. This creates dissonance for the people who relate to one issue but not the other. Anarchists are literally the worst. Not only is their core belief without much critical thought, but a large enough representation of their group does stupid poo poo like Locke St.
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zapplez posted:Anarchists are literally the worst. Not only is their core belief without much critical thought, but a large enough representation of their group does stupid poo poo like Locke St. A lot of the anarchists I know are okay, they were probably just some bad apples.
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zapplez posted:Anarchists are literally the worst. Not only is their core belief without much critical thought, but a large enough representation of their group does stupid poo poo like Locke St. When the anarchists are the ones out on the streets protecting people from literal Nazis I'm going to go out on a limb and say that no, they aren't literally the worst.
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Jul 15, 2019 14:22
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If you had "5" in the dead chuckwagon horse pool I've got some bad news about yesterdayquote:https://globalnews.ca/news/5494734/another-horse-injured-at-calgary-stampedes-chuckwagon-races-sunday/ Thoughts and prayers.
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zapplez posted:Anarchists are literally the worst. Not only is their core belief without much critical thought, but a large enough representation of their group does stupid poo poo like Locke St. Now I know you're not gonna side with people on the far right who oppose anarchists. So youre just a dumb both sides centrish fuckhead?
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Jul 15, 2019 14:44
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Can people not be both anti fash and anti anarchist without being labelled a garbage centrist these days? Anarchists are loving dumb. Nothing like finding out that even the 'anarchist bike co-op' is assisting people in laundering stolen bike parts which is supporting the meth crisis in the city, because in the mind of the Anarchist 'gently caress the police' extends all the way to 'gently caress people having their poo poo stolen' and also apparently 'gently caress small independent book stores that have probably been around in this poo poo neighborhood for longer than I've been alive, who's existence is one of the reasons why this neighborhood slowly stopped being a trash place'. I mean in the end I'd stand shoulder to shoulder with them if it's them vs Nazis, but when it comes to thinking people are garbage 
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My personal experience with anarchists is that while their political beliefs are imperfect and often naive, they're also one of the groups most likely to actually get out in the street and act on those beliefs. Which is great when those beliefs involve protecting queer people from Nazis, and not so great when those beliefs involve smashing people's windows for no reason. On balance though, I'd measure consistently protecting vulnerable people from physical violence and intimidation above occasional property damage, because people are more important than things.
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An important thing to remember is that it isn't just the anarchists that are involved in the whole Hamilton Pride affair. They're certainly the loudest, and a lot of the messaging is coming from the Tower, but Hamilton Pride, tons of progressive and LGBT activists that aren't anarchists, and some of city council are also highly critical of HPS and the Mayor. Last weekend, there were actually two protests outside of city hall happening in unison. The Tower and anarchist crowd was running "Camp Chaos Gays", and Hamilton Pride, the labour council, etc. was running "Hamilton for All". I have a lot of problems with a lot of the actions that the anarchist community has taken in Hamilton, but that doesn't mean that HPS and the mayor aren't being completely lovely about everything surrounding pride, and the conditions that Cedar was arrested under are absolutely ridiculous - every single citizen of Hamilton should be pissed off as hell that speaking forcefully in a public town hall meeting is apparently grounds for parole violation.
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vyelkin posted:When the anarchists are the ones out on the streets protecting people from literal Nazis I'm going to go out on a limb and say that no, they aren't literally the worst. I believe you are thinking of antifa, which is completely different than 'anarchists'
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