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spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






senior wiseguy, head of "our thing"

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Kitfox88
Aug 21, 2007

Anybody lose their glasses?

Hurt Whitey Maybe posted:

I have a job title of senior associate and I’ve decided just now that I’m going to start saying it like I’m in the mob. it sounds a lot cooler if it sounds like you’re doing organized crime.

very disrespectful to the mafia imo

Mr. Lobe
Feb 23, 2007

... Dry bones...


Kitfox88 posted:

very disrespectful to the mafia imo

lol just lol if you think the mafia is anything but a business venture

Shima Honnou
Dec 1, 2010

The Once And Future King Of Dicetroit

College Slice
Being made is actually just joining the mafia union.

Jel Shaker
Apr 19, 2003

how much is a bauble worth instead of a raise? I’m sure some economist has worked out the $ value of calling someone senior Vice President vs just Vice President for example

The Bloop
Jul 5, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
Some people genuinely are more motivated to advance for titles and fringe benefits than they are for more money

Everyone should be paid a fair wage, obviously but lol capitalism "senior sales associate" extra duties. Nickel raise if you're lucky

Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

✨sparkle and shine✨

titles are definitely part of comp, and affect future salary and applications for jobs

V. Illych L.
Apr 11, 2008

ASK ME ABOUT LUMBER

The Bloop posted:

Some people genuinely are more motivated to advance for titles and fringe benefits than they are for more money

Everyone should be paid a fair wage, obviously but lol capitalism "senior sales associate" extra duties. Nickel raise if you're lucky

imo the system of wage labour should be abolished altogether

Shear Modulus
Jun 9, 2010



Subjunctive posted:

titles are definitely part of comp, and affect future salary and applications for jobs

what's the monetary value of being a Ninja instead of a software developer

Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

✨sparkle and shine✨

Shear Modulus posted:

what's the monetary value of being a Ninja instead of a software developer

negative

Accretionist
Nov 7, 2012
I BELIEVE IN STUPID CONSPIRACY THEORIES

Tashilicious posted:

It's a lie. The minimum wage was explicitly created to give a single person working full time the ability to survive.

Yeup.

"In my Inaugural I laid down the simple proposition that nobody is going to starve in this country. It seems to me to be equally plain that no business which depends for existence on paying less than living wages to its workers has any right to continue in this country. By "business" I mean the whole of commerce as well as the whole of industry; by workers I mean all workers, the white collar class as well as the men in overalls; and by living wages I mean more than a bare subsistence level-I mean the wages of decent living."

- FDR, 1933. From statement on the National Industrial Recovery Act.

Moridin920
Nov 15, 2007

by FactsAreUseless
FDR was the most popular president the USA has ever had save Washington but if you campaign on similar policies today then you're a socialist and you have no chance of winning also ignore all the socialists winning elections please.

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
hmm. Mysterious that this huge industrialized power was at its zenith in everyone's mind when it was a quasi-command economy

Popoto
Oct 21, 2012

miaow

Larry Parrish posted:

hmm. Mysterious that this huge industrialized power was at its zenith in everyone's mind when it was a quasi-command economy

uhmmmmm I’ll let you know the market is at so many more points then back then. the zenith is clearly now!

Jel Shaker
Apr 19, 2003

Moridin920 posted:

FDR was the most popular president the USA has ever had save Washington but if you campaign on similar policies today then you're a socialist and you have no chance of winning also ignore all the socialists winning elections please.

i bet FDR has terrible electibility metrics too

Hurt Whitey Maybe
Jun 26, 2008

I mean maybe not. Or maybe. Definitely don't kill anyone.

Moridin920 posted:

FDR was the most popular president the USA has ever had save Washington but if you campaign on similar policies today then you're a socialist and you have no chance of winning also ignore all the socialists winning elections please.

imagine thinking that the president who was so popular he had to die not to be re-elected is a bad politician to emulate

GEMorris
Aug 28, 2002

Glory To the Order!

Hurt Whitey Maybe posted:

imagine thinking that the president who was so popular he had to die not to be re-elected is a bad politician to emulate

upgunned shitpost
Jan 21, 2015

when americans learned you can't do socialism and racism at the same time, they chose racism.

Second Hand Meat Mouth
Sep 12, 2001
It's okay since talking about panhandlers now we have ICE coming into my nice suburban community abducting people :(

At least the community Facebook threads are talking about how to help the people and to record ICE and stuff.

Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

✨sparkle and shine✨

jfood posted:

when americans learned you can't do socialism and racism at the same time, they chose racism.

does socialism prevent racism?

Powershift
Nov 23, 2009


Subjunctive posted:

does socialism prevent racism?

absolutely not, but racism prevents socialism. There's always the racist thought that it's "those people" abusing social programs, and politicans are clearly willing to exploit that thought to attack the left.

Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

✨sparkle and shine✨

Powershift posted:

absolutely not, but racism prevents socialism. There's always the racist thought that it's "those people" abusing social programs, and politicans are clearly willing to exploit that thought to attack the left.

I can see racism making it harder to create a socialist state, but I would be pretty surprised to discover that socialist states didn’t have racism.

do you mean that racism prevents the transition to socialism, or that racism arising within a socialist state would undo it?

mycomancy
Oct 16, 2016

Subjunctive posted:

I can see racism making it harder to create a socialist state, but I would be pretty surprised to discover that socialist states didn’t have racism.

do you mean that racism prevents the transition to socialism, or that racism arising within a socialist state would undo it?

I'd argue both. The idea of The Other prevents worker unification, and that idea is the foundation on which socialism is built.

Ham Equity
Apr 16, 2013

The first thing we do, let's kill all the cars.
Grimey Drawer
The King County Labor Council fought a head tax on big business, endorsed the same mayoral candidate as the Downtown Seattle Association and the Chamber of Commerce, and fought for a contract that overturned a bunch of police reforms designed to hold pigs accountable, and get the city out from under a constant decree.

Sometimes, the CHUD is coming from inside the union.

Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

✨sparkle and shine✨

mycomancy posted:

I'd argue both. The idea of The Other prevents worker unification, and that idea is the foundation on which socialism is built.

that’s gonna make socialism pretty tricky, mmm

Lpzie
Nov 20, 2006

what would you say to someone that has no brains but mucho guns

Powershift
Nov 23, 2009


Subjunctive posted:

I can see racism making it harder to create a socialist state, but I would be pretty surprised to discover that socialist states didn’t have racism.

do you mean that racism prevents the transition to socialism, or that racism arising within a socialist state would undo it?

Racism is a tool used to attack socialism. Socialist states can be and often are still institutionally racist, but even within those states, there is an even more insidious racism that is used to undermine them. The threat of "the other" is what is used to hack away at the social safety net in modern social democracies. "black people abusing food stamps to buy cigarettes" is used to make racist white people vote away their own.

Powershift
Nov 23, 2009


Lpzie posted:

what would you say to someone that has no brains but mucho guns

No hablo ingles.

voiceless anal fricative
May 6, 2007

W.E. Du Bois posted:

So long as the Southern white laborers could be induced to prefer poverty to equality with the Negro, just so long was a labor movement in the South made impossible.

I feel like this is extremely true to US national politics, still

dioxazine
Oct 14, 2004

Lpzie posted:

what would you say to someone that has no brains but mucho guns

老外你回家

voiceless anal fricative
May 6, 2007

Heartcatch posted:

老外你回家

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1150381394234941448?s=19

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starkebn
May 18, 2004

"Oooh, got a little too serious. You okay there, little buddy?"
https://i.imgur.com/QS7pS57.mp4

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014


Isn't asking employees about union meetings/activities illegal?

Shima Honnou
Dec 1, 2010

The Once And Future King Of Dicetroit

College Slice
Probably. That video must be new because they didn't show us that when I hired in last year, though they do let each building basically work like its own fiefdom so it could be a regional thing.

Motherfucker
Jul 16, 2011

I certainly dont have deep-seated issues involving birthdays.

starkebn posted:

[url]https://i.imgur.com/QS7pS57.mp4[/ur

No. loving no way, I'd be out there in high vis with a grinder and a mask.

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

Motherfucker posted:

No. loving no way, I'd be out there in high vis with a grinder and a mask.

Looks like just rope holding it to the fence. Pocket knife.

Shima Honnou posted:

Probably. That video must be new because they didn't show us that when I hired in last year, though they do let each building basically work like its own fiefdom so it could be a regional thing.

gently caress'em. File complaints for anything even remotely illegal.

Powershift
Nov 23, 2009


Motherfucker posted:

No. loving no way, I'd be out there in high vis with a grinder and a mask.

Just spray paint some mountains on it, and a couple happy little trees. See if they loving get it.

Motherfucker
Jul 16, 2011

I certainly dont have deep-seated issues involving birthdays.

spacetoaster posted:

Looks like just rope holding it to the fence. Pocket knife.

If you set up cones and wear the right clothes you can get away with pretty much anything.

The Nastier Nate
May 22, 2005

All aboard the corona bus!

HONK! HONK!


Yams Fan

500 good dogs posted:

Panhandlers. We don't get many in my suburban town, not due to population or anything, mostly weather. On one hand these people are often scammers with houses or whatever, but on the other hand capitalism fucks people into really poo poo situations so I understand it.

I just don't know if I'm supposed to give them money :(

Many many years ago an old upper-middle class republican boomer told me that he never gives money to panhandlers cause most of them actually own homes at the [new jersey] shore and come into center city Philadelphia to beg For money in the off-season.

I was much younger and still trying to understand what my political worldview was but it was the first time I independently thought “is this what conservatives think cause that’s the dumbest loving thing I’ve ever heard”

One suggestion I’ve heard if you don’t want to give money is give things such as I’ve heard the #1 requested cloth g item at shelters is socks so go to TJ Max and buy a cheap 10 pack of socks and keep them in your car.

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T-man
Aug 22, 2010


Talk shit, get bzzzt.

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