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Nemo2342
Nov 26, 2007

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grah posted:

Bag of Tricks can basically do anything you're surprised a mod can't do. I'm pretty sure it can either suspend quest timers when they're about to fail or just suspend time entirely when quests are near failure.

I know that the last time I poked around in it it could turn off time entirely. Which could be really funny when you realized it meant time based stuff like status effects couldn't expire.

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Helion
Apr 28, 2008

Kalas posted:

Make sure you pick up the Trip feats and Fury's Fall. They make the trip check much easier to land.

Will do. I'm gonna trip the poo poo out of these Stolen Lands. Trip report later.

Kalas
Jul 27, 2007

Helion posted:

Will do. I'm gonna trip the poo poo out of these Stolen Lands. Trip report later.

They can make the difference between landing now and then and 'see that elephant there? He's goin down'.

Kobal2
Apr 29, 2019
Of note : Fury's Fall adds Dex *again* if you're using a dex/agile maneuvers build ; which I'm not sure it should but it makes halfer monks hilarious. "You can't escape my toe hold !". Also monks have increased movement speed which, again, combines most excellently with small races. Watch the little murder machine go !

Kalas
Jul 27, 2007

Kobal2 posted:

Of note : Fury's Fall adds Dex *again* if you're using a dex/agile maneuvers build ; which I'm not sure it should but it makes halfer monks hilarious. "You can't escape my toe hold !". Also monks have increased movement speed which, again, combines most excellently with small races. Watch the little murder machine go !

Except you take a damage penalty as you are doing small size unarmed.
I'd rather be medium size and then buff with legendary proportions.

I guess if your goal in life is to just trip the hell out of everything, that works.

Kobal2
Apr 29, 2019

Kalas posted:

Except you take a damage penalty as you are doing small size unarmed.
I'd rather be medium size and then buff with legendary proportions.

I guess if your goal in life is to just trip the hell out of everything, that works.

Meh. Damage dice is something that doesn't really matter IMO. Most of your damage as any kind of melee character comes from flat bonuses (e.g. power attack + str + enchant etc) and/or sneak attack dice. Using d6s instead of d8s (and similar) just doesn't register when each cockpunch comes with a flat 30 damage (or whatever, numbers pulled out of my butt).

That being said, I agree that dex monks are suboptimal for various reasons. My goal with that character was to stack as much AC as physically possible and effortlessly trip the biggest monsters in the game :). All while looking like the sweetest most precious little muffincake possible. And having 5 strength.

Roadie
Jun 30, 2013
When in doubt, assume that base damage dice don't matter and the important stuff is crit range, crit multiplier, and static bonuses and precision damage.

adamarama
Mar 20, 2009
Can the opportunity to conduct the curse researxh ever expire? I think I've done them all so far but it's hard to keep track of all the different ones, I'm worried I lost one.

JamMasterJim
Mar 27, 2010

adamarama posted:

Can the opportunity to conduct the curse researxh ever expire? I think I've done them all so far but it's hard to keep track of all the different ones, I'm worried I lost one.

Curse research projects never expire. All projects, in fact. Only events.

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011



So you should probably always prioritize events? Makes sense.

sassassin
Apr 3, 2010

by Azathoth
Tips for the Hargulka fight? Hits hard, hits fast, can't be hit. Tricky combination.

JamMasterJim
Mar 27, 2010

sassassin posted:

Tips for the Hargulka fight? Hits hard, hits fast, can't be hit. Tricky combination.

Will Saves are kinda low, so you could try Hold Person/hideous laughter. His Touch AC is low so spells/bombs will connect frequently. If you have haste and either Jubilost (or any alchemist/grenadier), Ekun(or any good longbow user) with Devourer of Metal or someone wielding Trollreaper greataxe, he should fall quite fast. If you have all these, it tends to be a joke. Defense wise, if you have displacement, you can cut his damage output a lot. Finally, dispel or slow can counteract his haste cast by Tartuk, which is the most dangerous part. Summoning monsters and skeletons as bait can help as well.

JamMasterJim fucked around with this message at 11:49 on Jul 14, 2019

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011



I'm in the troll lair as well, I assume level 8 is enough for the Hargulka fight. I can have Octavia cast Slow with super high DC.

Is the game going to try to rush me through the next main quest, too, or am I finally going to have some breathing room to go exploring outside of the designated area? I saw the 'your barony will soon fall' message accompanying the troll raids and was all gently caress you, this is why I hate that timed nonsense.

JamMasterJim
Mar 27, 2010

Phlegmish posted:

I'm in the troll lair as well, I assume level 8 is enough for the Hargulka fight. I can have Octavia cast Slow with super high DC.

Is the game going to try to rush me through the next main quest, too, or am I finally going to have some breathing room to go exploring outside of the designated area? I saw the 'your barony will soon fall' message accompanying the troll raids and was all gently caress you, this is why I hate that timed nonsense.

From the moment troll trouble starts till the next crisis, you have like 200 days.

grah
Jul 26, 2007
brainsss

JamMasterJim posted:

Will Saves are kinda low, so you could try Hold Person/hideous laughter. His Touch AC is low so spells/bombs will connect frequently. If you have haste and either Jubilost (or any alchemist/grenadier), Ekun(or any good longbow user) with Devourer of Metal or someone wielding Trollreaper greataxe, he should fall quite fast. If you have all these, it tends to be a joke. Defense wise, if you have displacement, you can cut his damage output a lot. Finally, dispel or slow can counteract his haste cast by Tartuk, which is the most dangerous part. Summoning monsters and skeletons as bait can help as well.

He's immune to paralysis as far as I'm aware. Hideous Laughter is the better option.

JamMasterJim
Mar 27, 2010

grah posted:

He's immune to paralysis as far as I'm aware. Hideous Laughter is the better option.

Right, he does have a freedom of movement mace on him, forgot that.

Levantine
Feb 14, 2005

GUNDAM!!!
Finally finished the game at 100 hours on my Steam played timer. It definitely has its low spots but overall I really enjoyed what it tried to bring to the table. I felt like I was playing a weird BG1 expansion with all the jankiness that entails. I was burning out pretty hard at the end there Lantern King's domain was sooooo loving tedious with how the wild hunt would just aoe disable 2/3 of my team with paralyze or fear or whatever. I think I'm going to miss the game now that's it is finally over. I'd definitely recommend the game with the caveat that mods are nearly necessary. I'm still processing the experience overall but I am coming away mostly positive.

sassassin
Apr 3, 2010

by Azathoth
Beat the big troll on the 3rd or 4th attempt, and the one after that did it with enough survivors to take down his mate.

What's the best difficulty level to play on for a decent but not frustrating challenge? Been enjoying normal but I've definitely rushed through parts and made some meaningful build mistakes. Level 6 and feels like half my claimed barony isn't explored.

JamMasterJim
Mar 27, 2010

sassassin posted:

Beat the big troll on the 3rd or 4th attempt, and the one after that did it with enough survivors to take down his mate.

What's the best difficulty level to play on for a decent but not frustrating challenge? Been enjoying normal but I've definitely rushed through parts and made some meaningful build mistakes. Level 6 and feels like half my claimed barony isn't explored.

Normal or challenging are best for a first time playthrough, but you can customize specific aspects that bother you(like perhaps fixing ability damage through rest).
You also have in-game respec now (speak to Anoriel in the tavern) if you feel you cam improve your builds.

And you definitely have enough time to explore your map , though the areas west of Trobbold/Verdant chambers may be a bit too tough right now. Clean up everything else first.

v1ld
Apr 16, 2012

I set it to Challenging and then dropped the Enemy Stats option to "Normal". Challenging sets it to "Slightly higher than normal" and Normal to "Slightly lower." This way it's normal Pathfinder stats, damage and crits.

I've left Death's Door enabled - all the travel needed before revival makes death a chore right now.

A mod with difficulty settings that did +damage% instead of +attributes would be cool.

corn in the bible
Jun 5, 2004

Oh no oh god it's all true!

v1ld posted:

I set it to Challenging and then dropped the Enemy Stats option to "Normal". Challenging sets it to "Slightly higher than normal" and Normal to "Slightly lower." This way it's normal Pathfinder stats, damage and crits.

I've left Death's Door enabled - all the travel needed before revival makes death a chore right now.

A mod with difficulty settings that did +damage% instead of +attributes would be cool.

I feel like by the end you may have a bad time

Kobal2
Apr 29, 2019

grah posted:

He's immune to paralysis as far as I'm aware. Hideous Laughter is the better option.

Slow is also good. Dispels the Haste Tartuk casts on him no matter what, and if it lands then he's limited to one swing/round which makes his dps very manageable.

v1ld
Apr 16, 2012

corn in the bible posted:

I feel like by the end you may have a bad time

I thought +attributes is stronger than +dmg because it affects everything: saves, AC, etc. Like I don't mind difficulties where they hit harder but if they also resist/soak up damage more then it can get unfun.

I'm too early in the game to be asking for this stuff, really.

Wizard Styles
Aug 6, 2014

level 15 disillusionist

sassassin posted:

Beat the big troll on the 3rd or 4th attempt, and the one after that did it with enough survivors to take down his mate.

What's the best difficulty level to play on for a decent but not frustrating challenge? Been enjoying normal but I've definitely rushed through parts and made some meaningful build mistakes. Level 6 and feels like half my claimed barony isn't explored.
Lowered enemy stats until you're level 4, regular stats afterwards until it gets boring and you increase them. Don't worry about half your barony being unexplored, you generally have some downtime between main story beats.

What are meaningful build mistakes? I just kept everyone as they were (except Octavia, who became the Arcane Trickster she's built to be) and it was fine.

sassassin
Apr 3, 2010

by Azathoth

Wizard Styles posted:

Lowered enemy stats until you're level 4, regular stats afterwards until it gets boring and you increase them. Don't worry about half your barony being unexplored, you generally have some downtime between main story beats.

What are meaningful build mistakes? I just kept everyone as they were (except Octavia, who became the Arcane Trickster she's built to be) and it was fine.

My main is a half magus half fighter with a concentration feat that never gets used because he doesn't cast proper spells and two, possibly even three gear specialisation feats that also do nothing because this trident looks cool etc. Couple more points in intelligence wouldn't have hurt, either.

Octavia I put thief levels on but now I need a mage more. The rest just have a few bad choices of spells and stuff.

Teamwork feats seem good, I should invest in those, right? The flanking ones especially?

Says a lot about the game that I haven't already restarted half a dozen times with different classes/builds trying to find the fun.

malhavok
Jan 18, 2013

sassassin posted:

Teamwork feats seem good, I should invest in those, right? The flanking ones especially?


Outflank and Seize the moment on your front liners is a thing of beauty.

Kalas
Jul 27, 2007
It's all about single character runs.

Wizard Styles
Aug 6, 2014

level 15 disillusionist
I don't really see a reason not to take Shake It Off on everybody. Melee characters tend to clump up and casters tend to have feats to spare.

sassassin posted:

My main is a half magus half fighter with a concentration feat that never gets used because he doesn't cast proper spells and two, possibly even three gear specialisation feats that also do nothing because this trident looks cool etc. Couple more points in intelligence wouldn't have hurt, either.

Octavia I put thief levels on but now I need a mage more. The rest just have a few bad choices of spells and stuff.
Okay, yeah, that's pretty bad. Octavia doesn't want any additional Thief levels. With Accomplished Sneak Attacker she can qualify for Arcane Trickster at level 5, and that's what she's built to be.
Did you use up all your free respecs already?

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011



If you beat Hargulka at level 6, that's not bad at all. I beat him on my first try, but I was level 8 and he still beat Valerie to a pulp before I could cast Slow on him.

e: I let him live but to be honest it was just to get into Octavia's pants, no one tell her

Phlegmish fucked around with this message at 07:25 on Jul 15, 2019

Mordecai
May 18, 2003

Known throughout the world! Chop people's head off to the ground! Angry eyes that frighten people! Dragon among humans, king of dragons... Manchurian Derp Deity, Ha Che'er.

Wizard Styles posted:

What are meaningful build mistakes? I just kept everyone as they were (except Octavia, who became the Arcane Trickster she's built to be) and it was fine.

Bards are an excellent 5th/6th party member, but they aren't there to do damage. Have Linzi focus on what bards do best: skills, making everyone else even better, and good enchantment disables.
I did see one funny exception here where three knife master levels make her a pretty good tank.

Also, the precise strike teamwork feat looks nice, but seems to be coded as extra basic damage not based on your weapon, so anything with damage reduction will ignore it.

deathbagel
Jun 10, 2008

So, I went through all of Troll Trouble and never found Ekun. I'm into the [spoiler]seeds[spoiler] part of the story and still haven't seen him. I looked online and it says he's at the ruined tower but I've scoured that map and he's nowhere. Did I miss him for good? Do I need to make another Merc now to be my ranger? Only having 5 animal companions is really hurting the flavor of my all-pet group!

corn in the bible
Jun 5, 2004

Oh no oh god it's all true!

deathbagel posted:

So, I went through all of Troll Trouble and never found Ekun. I'm into the [spoiler]seeds[spoiler] part of the story and still haven't seen him. I looked online and it says he's at the ruined tower but I've scoured that map and he's nowhere. Did I miss him for good? Do I need to make another Merc now to be my ranger? Only having 5 animal companions is really hurting the flavor of my all-pet group!

I believe he's only there during the troll storyline, yes

malhavok
Jan 18, 2013

Mordecai posted:

Bards are an excellent 5th/6th party member, but they aren't there to do damage. Have Linzi focus on what bards do best: skills, making everyone else even better, and good enchantment disables.
I did see one funny exception here where three knife master levels make her a pretty good tank.

Also, the precise strike teamwork feat looks nice, but seems to be coded as extra basic damage not based on your weapon, so anything with damage reduction will ignore it.

this build is also extremely good damage while giving up very little.

sassassin
Apr 3, 2010

by Azathoth
Linzi can gently caress off the little thief.

JamMasterJim
Mar 27, 2010

sassassin posted:

Linzi can gently caress off the little thief.

It provided me with one of my favorite reactions in the whole game at least.

Nephthys
Mar 27, 2010

sassassin posted:

Linzi can gently caress off the little thief.

It's worth it. That printing house is good and the BP she took was a lot less than normally buying one costs.

mauman
Jul 30, 2014

Whoever's got the biggest whiskers does the talking.

JamMasterJim posted:

It provided me with one of my favorite reactions in the whole game at least.


Jubilost has the best reactions generally.

malhavok
Jan 18, 2013

sassassin posted:

Linzi can gently caress off the little thief.

I mean, you can use the build on any bard. Probably improve it with some better stats.

sassassin
Apr 3, 2010

by Azathoth
Does the dlc add much to the main campaign?

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v1ld
Apr 16, 2012

Is there any way to have the game remove web after combat ends? I couldn't find a mod for it. The wait is bad enough that I'm now save scumming when I see a trap in an area with spiders.


This game rocks, it's a real pity they had to release it in the state they did. I like the overall feel of the game very much. The motivations are very human and the characters are too. The writing is good and the plot seems better than most generic fantasy so far.

The combat is superb in turn-based mode. That mod was one of the primary reasons I picked up the game and it's a game changer. I hope that Owlcat will add one of their own in their followup. The turn based roots of Pathfinder become so obvious when you play it in that mode.

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