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I am Jonjo Shelvey staring blankly into the middle distance.
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Gigi Galli posted:Two guys on the bottom right with their mouths open takes this from "squad of bored athletes" to "special needs field trip"  CyberPingu posted:Whos the knacker avec lovely haircut at the top of the weird flesh pyramid Turn your monitor on and don't sign your posts lmao NinpoEspiritoSanto fucked around with this message at 15:17 on Jul 15, 2019 |
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Jul 15, 2019 15:15
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Kinda looks like Robbie Keane. Can't be though... There's only one Kean-o...
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Jul 15, 2019 15:54
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The Premier League is adding head to head for separating teams in the title/european/relegation places. It slots in after points, goal difference, and goals scored, so it'll be used pretty seldomly. https://twitter.com/premierleague/status/1150794669904842758
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Jul 15, 2019 17:30
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pik_d posted:The Premier League is adding head to head for separating teams in the title/european/relegation places. It slots in after points, goal difference, and goals scored, so it'll be used pretty seldomly. It should always be the first decider. I will never understand why it isn’t that way everywhere.
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Jul 15, 2019 17:52
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Gigi Galli posted:It should always be the first decider. I will never understand why it isn’t that way everywhere. Because it retroactively makes certain games playoffs and the only thing worse than a playoff is one that you didn't know was happening until 9 months after. League table should be judged over the full season in as many areas as possible before one-offs come into play.
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Jul 15, 2019 17:58
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Gigi Galli posted:It should always be the first decider. I will never understand why it isn’t that way everywhere. I can sort of understand it, a league format isn't supposed to really give any more weight to any specific match, is it? Points, goal difference, and goals scored are all accumulated over the whole season, while head to head is making those two games more important than the other 36. It's not a knockout bracket like the cups where head to head is all you have.
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Jul 15, 2019 17:58
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sassassin posted:Because it retroactively makes certain games playoffs and the only thing worse than a playoff is one that you didn't know was happening until 9 months after. pik_d posted:I can sort of understand it, a league format isn't supposed to really give any more weight to any specific match, is it? Points, goal difference, and goals scored are all accumulated over the whole season, while head to head is making those two games more important than the other 36. It's not a knockout bracket like the cups where head to head is all you have. Fair points. I would argue that using goal difference and goals scored gives more weight to matches where teams are incredibly mismatched and you end up with silly score lines. I concede that using head to head does actually limit it to two matches as opposed to a variable number and, in the best situations, games with wild talent differences wouldn’t exist to begin with.
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Jul 15, 2019 18:04
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Everyone gets to play Newcastle, it's not an advantage to one particular team.
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Jul 15, 2019 19:43
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With goal difference, there's a chance that a team is 3 points off the title or safety but with a slightly worse goal difference going into the final game, so you get a situation where they need to win by x amount of goals, which is pretty exciting. With head to head, you don't get that and the team could be already out of it if they lost on head to head. Take the season just gone for example. Liverpool and City drew the first game and City won in January. With head to head, whatever lead City had, it would essentially be one point more with head to head for the rest of the season.Gigi Galli posted:Fair points. I would argue that using goal difference and goals scored gives more weight to matches where teams are incredibly mismatched and you end up with silly score lines. I concede that using head to head does actually limit it to two matches as opposed to a variable number and, in the best situations, games with wild talent differences wouldn’t exist to begin with. The fact that everyone else plays those teams evens it out a bit. Everyone around the poorer team in a mismatch also has to play the better team, too. The one that loses 10-0 might be relegated because their rival who survived only lost 8-0. Mickolution fucked around with this message at 19:55 on Jul 15, 2019 |
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Jul 15, 2019 19:48
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Mickolution posted:With goal difference, there's a chance that a team is 3 points off the title or safety but with a slightly worse goal difference going into the final game, so you get a situation where they need to win by x amount of goals, which is pretty exciting. With head to head, you don't get that and the team could be already out of it if they lost on head to head. Take the season just gone for example. Liverpool and City drew the first game and City won in January. With head to head, whatever lead City had, it would essentially be one point more with head to head for the rest of the season. It does make it more exciting but it also opens up a title race and/or relegation to a third party. If two teams chasing a title go in to the last day tied and one is playing a midtable team with nothing to fight for already on vacation and the other is playing a team fighting for their top flight place or even just another team in the top 5 or something, it seems lopsided. To me at least, that's where it'd be more fair to take the head to head. You've already shown who's better among the two with all other things being equal. Personal preference I guess, I can certainly see the other side of this. Thanks for the honest responses. I can see the value in both methods.
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Jul 15, 2019 20:32
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I think the factor should be: GD GF GA # of wins # of wins is in there because the league obviously wants more scoring as evidence by GF always being ahead of GA.
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Jul 15, 2019 20:40
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This week has clearly shown that the best tiebreak method is number of times a team kicks the ball out of bounds
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Jul 15, 2019 21:30
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The final decider should be sudden death red arse with the managers taking turns in goal.
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Jul 15, 2019 22:12
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Blue Star Error posted:This week has clearly shown that the best tiebreak method is number of times a team kicks the ball out of bounds Open the sport up and make it number of arrests of fans so it gives a real incentive for tasty behaviour
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Jul 15, 2019 22:14
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Just do a playoff if they have the same points, nobody will complain about having extra footie to watch. Everything else just penalizes a team for the style they took to get to their number of points. Teams shouldn't be penalized for doing things their way.
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Jul 16, 2019 00:16
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Vegetable posted:Just do a playoff if they have the same points, nobody will complain about having extra footie to watch. Everything else just penalizes a team for the style they took to get to their number of points. Teams shouldn't be penalized for doing things their way. more games would penalize teams that have a higher pressing/tempo style
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Jul 16, 2019 01:03
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Head to head is bad for league stuff because if two good teams tie on everything but one has a better record against the other, it means that “better” team bottled it against some crap side. And for a league championship, which should have more weight? It’s not super clear cut if say, City draws Liverpool 4-4 at home in an open banger, and loses 0-1 away in a tight match on a fluke own goal, but Liverpool choked a stinker to Palace 0-1 or some poo poo so they finish even with City but win the head to head and take the title. Was Liverpool better? Maybe? Why did the better team lose more to bad teams? It’s a season long race and honestly the way it’s been done might be the only fair league title determination in all of sports. There’s the cups for weird knockout head to head shenanigans.
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Jul 16, 2019 06:27
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Anyway why even have the first window if I pull up to the second one both to pay for and receive my frostee?
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Jul 16, 2019 06:30
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I've never liked head-to-head record as a tiebreaker in a league system, a league system is supposed to find the best performing team against all the other members of the league and not just the team they happened to finish equal on points with.
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Jul 16, 2019 14:24
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just do fairplay tbh, it's as good a metric as any other
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Blasmeister posted:just do fairplay tbh, it's as good a metric as any other
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Jul 16, 2019 17:25
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Flayer posted:In cricket that has a good chance of being a tie though. It's not like football with yellow cards. I guess it's a good thing we're talking about football.
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Shrapnig posted:I guess it's a good thing we're talking about football. Yes but how would we solve this problem in baseball?
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Jul 16, 2019 23:02
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Bundy posted:Yes but how would we solve this problem in baseball? We’d die of boredom.
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Jul 17, 2019 00:02
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I don't know why I'm watching this Asia cup match but it's going to be a hammering lol 3-0 after 40 minutes lol Jose fucked around with this message at 11:42 on Jul 17, 2019 |
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Jul 17, 2019 11:35
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Among the 33 managers to have managed 200 or more Premier League games, Bruce's win percentage of 28.1% (110 games in 392 games) is the second-lowest, ahead only of his former Manchester United team-mate Bryan Robson (26.8%).
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Jul 17, 2019 12:54
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https://www.swfc.co.uk/news/2019/july/club-statement_steve-bruce/quote:The Club is disappointed to learn via public statement issued by Newcastle United that it has appointed former Sheffield Wednesday staff Steve Bruce, Steve Agnew and Stephen Clemence. We're going to be docked points for tapping up Steve Bruce.
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Jul 17, 2019 12:56
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big crush on Chad OMG posted:Among the 33 managers to have managed 200 or more Premier League games, Bruce's win percentage of 28.1% (110 games in 392 games) is the second-lowest, ahead only of his former Manchester United team-mate Bryan Robson (26.8%). lol
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Jul 17, 2019 13:01
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tetsuo posted:https://www.swfc.co.uk/news/2019/july/club-statement_steve-bruce/ I hope Ashley gets done up in the courts
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Jul 17, 2019 13:06
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Jul 17, 2019 13:07
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Jul 17, 2019 13:36
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habeasdorkus posted:Who were the four? These are his 5 most expensive Asamoah Gyan (Sunderland) – in excess of £13million Michael Turner (Sunderland) – £12million Scott Hogan (Aston Villa) – £12million Darren Bent (Sunderland) – £10million plus add-ons Abel Hernández (Hull) – £10million
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Jul 17, 2019 13:49
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Jose posted:These are his 5 most expensive If we sign Gyan I’ll be fully on the Steve Bruce train. PL needs human sacrifices and witch doctors
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Jul 17, 2019 13:50
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I was vaguely curious to see if one was Alex Bruce
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Jul 17, 2019 13:51
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tarbrush posted:I was vaguely curious to see if one was Alex Bruce This is the more shocking stat imo 10 most used players: Ahmed Elmohamady – 285 James Chester – 202 Damien Johnson – 175 David Meyler – 156 Maik Taylor – 153 Kenny Cunningham – 135 Stephen Clemence – 128 Tom Huddlestone – 122 Emile Heskey – 120 Matthew Upson – 120
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Jul 17, 2019 13:55
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tarbrush posted:I was vaguely curious to see if one was Alex Bruce Free to Birmingham where his dad was manager Free to Hull where his dad was manager Dad probably got a kickback of the larger signing on bonus since it was a free
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Jul 17, 2019 13:57
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Ozil leaning into the retiree shtick
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