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Tei posted:I googled you last remark, and it seems it was signed by Isabel (Queen of Aragon) and Fernando (King of Castilla). Isabel and Fernando had the same power. So it was not only Castilla, Aragon took part of it. What I meant is that Castilla is what's written on the map.
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Count Roland posted:I think its pretty well done myself; maps with overlapping sections and notes from different eras are very tricky. It's a cool idea but the implementation is garish, and there are a few glaring exceptions like the Omani Empire is missing. Mexican and Brazilian I can see leaving out since they were so short lived / similar to modern borders, respectively. Also I see now that the Incan and Aztec Empires are indeed marked... but why did they both get tiny text and almost invisible delineations? The marker for the Incan empire is barely more visible than the delineation of Texas.
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Count Roland posted:What I meant is that Castilla is what's written on the map. Thanks anyway for giving me half a excuse to talk about ridiculous things 
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Jul 15, 2019 17:59
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Tei posted:politically-loaded maps: I am aragones myself, so this point is important to me.
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Jul 15, 2019 18:02
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wasn't aragon that terrible movie about a dragon or something
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Jul 15, 2019 18:06
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Peanut President posted:wasn't aragon that terrible movie about a dragon or something No you're thinking of that one guy in lord of the rings
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Jul 15, 2019 18:09
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Peanut President posted:wasn't aragon that terrible movie about a dragon or something 
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Saladman posted:It's a cool idea but the implementation is garish, and there are a few glaring exceptions like the Omani Empire is missing. Mexican and Brazilian I can see leaving out since they were so short lived / similar to modern borders, respectively. The map also makes a strange choice (to be charitable) by ignoring empires within Western Europe but not elsewhere in Europe. If you really want to commit to details like making the distinction between Spain and the Crown of Castile with regard to the Treaty of Tordesillas, at least be consistent and correct and don’t leave out Sicily, Naples, Milan, the Low Countries, Franche-Comté, etc.; or Gibraltar and Menorca; and so on.
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Jul 15, 2019 19:43
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Peanut President posted:wasn't aragon that terrible movie about a dragon or something that's eragon
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Elyv posted:that's eragon 
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His Catholic Majesty, the King of Spain, King of Castile, of León, of Aragon, of the Two Sicilies, of Jerusalem, of Navarre, of Granada, of Seville, of Toledo, of Valencia, of Galicia, of Sardinia, of Córdoba, of Corsica, of Murcia, of Jaén, of the Algarves, of Algeciras, of Gibraltar, of the Canary Islands, of the East and West Indies, of the Islands and Mainland of the Ocean Sea; Archduke of Austria; Duke of Burgundy, of Brabant, of Milan, of Athens and Neopatria; Count of Habsburg, of Flanders, of Tyrol, of Roussillon, and of Barcelona; Lord of Biscay and of Molina de Aragón; Captain General & Supreme Commander of the Royal Armed Forces; Sovereign Grand Master of the Order of the Golden Fleece and of the orders awarded by the Spanish state
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Platystemon posted:His Catholic Majesty, the King of Spain, King of Castile, of León, of Aragon, of the Two Sicilies, of Jerusalem, of Navarre, of Granada, of Seville, of Toledo, of Valencia, of Galicia, of Sardinia, of Córdoba, of Corsica, of Murcia, of Jaén, of the Algarves, of Algeciras, of Gibraltar, of the Canary Islands, of the East and West Indies, of the Islands and Mainland of the Ocean Sea; Archduke of Austria; Duke of Burgundy, of Brabant, of Milan, of Athens and Neopatria; Count of Habsburg, of Flanders, of Tyrol, of Roussillon, and of Barcelona; Lord of Biscay and of Molina de Aragón; Captain General & Supreme Commander of the Royal Armed Forces; Sovereign Grand Master of the Order of the Golden Fleece and of the orders awarded by the Spanish state Some of these are not like the others. Also why “of jerusalem”. Is this a medievalism where you send one guy to the crusades and from that point you can add that to your name?
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Jul 16, 2019 08:57
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Tei posted:Also why “of jerusalem”. Why Athens?
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Jul 16, 2019 09:01
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You don't have to send anyone. Just claim a title even though your ancestor that died centuries ago was the last to rule it.
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Lycus posted:You don't have to send anyone. Just claim a title even though your ancestor that died centuries ago was the last to rule it. Yeah I mean "why of Spain?" is just as good a question.
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Jerry Cotton posted:Why Athens? Because Aragon controlled the Duchy of Athens from 1312 until 1388, having effectively inherited it from the rogue Catalan mercenary army that conquered much of southern Greece in 1311. This is part of the little-known phase of Iberian control of large parts of Greece prior to Venetian conquest in the late 14th c.
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MeinPanzer posted:Because Aragon controlled the Duchy of Athens from 1312 until 1388, having effectively inherited it from the rogue Catalan mercenary army that conquered much of southern Greece in 1311. This is part of the little-known phase of Iberian control of large parts of Greece prior to Venetian conquest in the late 14th c. It was a rhetorical question but thanks  (I thought it would have something to do with the crusades as well but  )
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Jul 16, 2019 09:11
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The relic titles, and in particular “King of Jerusalem”, really inflame the passions of Catholic extremists, monarchists, and conspiracy theorists.
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Tei posted:Some of these are not like the others. Also why “of jerusalem”. Is this a medievalism where you send one guy to the crusades and from that point you can add that to your name? The Spanish monarchy claims the crown of Jerusalem via a rather tenuous claim by the kings of Naples dating back to the thirteenth century. Via an alternate series of claims involving the Kingdom of Cyprus, the crown of Jerusalem was also claimed by the Italian monarchy until its abolition. The fact that the Kingdom of Jerusalem has not actually existed for seven hundred years should be considered a purely academic detail when it comes to these claims.
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Platystemon posted:His Catholic Majesty, the King of Spain, King of Castile, of León, of Aragon, of the Two Sicilies, of Jerusalem, of Navarre, of Granada, of Seville, of Toledo, of Valencia, of Galicia, of Sardinia, of Córdoba, of Corsica, of Murcia, of Jaén, of the Algarves, of Algeciras, of Gibraltar, of the Canary Islands, of the East and West Indies, of the Islands and Mainland of the Ocean Sea; Archduke of Austria; Duke of Burgundy, of Brabant, of Milan, of Athens and Neopatria; Count of Habsburg, of Flanders, of Tyrol, of Roussillon, and of Barcelona; Lord of Biscay and of Molina de Aragón; Captain General & Supreme Commander of the Royal Armed Forces; Sovereign Grand Master of the Order of the Golden Fleece and of the orders awarded by the Spanish state I thought you were building up to a norwegian football commentator style "your boys took a hell of a beating".
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His Excellency, President for Life, Field Marshal Al Hadji Doctor Idi Amin Dada, VC, DSO, MC, Lord of All the Beasts of the Earth and Fishes of the Seas and Conqueror of the British Empire in Africa in General and Uganda in Particular, King of Scotland.
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Guavanaut posted:His Excellency, President for Life, Field Marshal Al Hadji Doctor Idi Amin Dada, VC, DSO, MC, Lord of All the Beasts of the Earth and Fishes of the Seas and Conqueror of the British Empire in Africa in General and Uganda in Particular, King of Scotland.
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MeinPanzer posted:Because Aragon controlled the Duchy of Athens from 1312 until 1388, having effectively inherited it from the rogue Catalan mercenary army that conquered much of southern Greece in 1311. This is part of the little-known phase of Iberian control of large parts of Greece prior to Venetian conquest in the late 14th c. They should've no-CB declared on Byzantium in order to steal Constantinople out from under the noses of the Ottomans. Everybody knows that's how you kneecap the Ottos and stop them from running away with the game.
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Jerry Cotton posted:It was a rhetorical question but thanks It does have something to do with the Crusades, fourth.
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This page is very upsetting.
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Angry Salami posted:The Spanish monarchy claims the crown of Jerusalem via a rather tenuous claim by the kings of Naples dating back to the thirteenth century. Via an alternate series of claims involving the Kingdom of Cyprus, the crown of Jerusalem was also claimed by the Italian monarchy until its abolition. I like the image of some Catholic knight standing on the Cyprus east coast with a megaphone yelling across the water at the mainland Levant. "YEAH DONT THINK WERE GONE DUDE, WE AINT LEFT YET. STILL THE KINGS OF JERUSALEMMMMM, ANY DAY NOW GONNA COME BACK OVER. WATCH IT."
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https://twitter.com/pkedrosky/status/1151117735625052160
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Excellent username/post combo.
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30 years from now, President Barron Trump will declare war on China because of the damage caused by the Chinese Hoax.
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Cat Mattress posted:30 years from now, President Barron Trump will declare war on China because of the damage caused by the Chinese Hoax.
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It's fitting that the loving south gets the worst of it since they're the ones holding everything back. The only shame of it is the god damned boomers will be long dead by that point.
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Milo and POTUS posted:The only shame of it is the god damned boomers will be long dead by that point. I mean, I totally get what you are saying, but it's really hard to feel regret at that idea regardless of the circumstances. Silver lining and all that.
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Milo and POTUS posted:It's fitting that the loving south gets the worst of it since they're the ones holding everything back. The only shame of it is the god damned boomers will be long dead by that point. If only an enlightened billionaire from New York was in power
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Jul 17, 2019 11:16
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Good thing there aren’t millions of disenfranchised people in the south, mostly minorities. That would be a real shame.
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i too like to interpret historical patterns of rural/urban development along arbitrary jurisdictional lines from a moral perspective where i live on the correct, good side of the line and those live on the other side are incorrect, shameful very important to my political identity, my position re: this line
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luxury handset posted:i too like to interpret historical patterns of rural/urban development along arbitrary jurisdictional lines from a moral perspective where i live on the correct, good side of the line and those live on the other side are incorrect, shameful I mean this is the map thread and that's in fact how national borders work.
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Jul 17, 2019 14:51
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politically-loaded lines
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Guavanaut posted:politically-loaded lines So, there's a little bit of terra nullius between these three states?
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Cat Mattress posted:So, there's a little bit of terra nullius between these three states?
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