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Reuniting in a tavern (a good start for RPGs) is different from meeting in a tavern (a crap start for RPGs). Though a game where PCs meet in a tavern for the first time because they they all swiped right in the new dating imp "Delvr" would be pretty great.
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Warthur posted:The problem is that, at least in the original trilogy, you didn't really know what these people were like before they went off on their journeys, which makes the moment fall flat. No, it actually works perfectly, because it makes you imagine both the adventures they might have had in the interim and what they were like before those adventures, and you also get hints at their previous relationships and how they differ from what they used to be. If they'd just been friends the whole time or had just met, you wouldn't get nearly as much information about the characters in that short scene. E: Why are we talking about Dragonlance so much in this thread.
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Jul 16, 2019 16:38
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Xiahou Dun posted:Fair and true, but as your example of the Canterbury Tales alludes to, people meeting up in bars is about as old of a concept as places that serve booze. It's a tired and over-used trope, but it's also common not just because of how easy it makes the narrative. I don't disagree; I'm only pointing out that DL using it isn't exactly original.
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Cessna posted:If I'm not mistaken they all meet in a tavern. I mean, tropes are generated somewhere. And just lol if you can't hear the dice rolling in that trilogy. Best moment is when Raistlin casts fireball for the first time and they treat it like he is one of the most dangerous wizards alive.
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Diana Jones shortlist just got released. The only thing I've heard of on this is Star Crossed and maybe the art book in passing. The DJA tends to be pretty good about the nominations but then drops the ball with its winners, so I fully expect the D&D art book to win over the accessible and fun game that's good at bringing in new people to the hobby.
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Lord_Hambrose posted:I mean, tropes are generated somewhere. And just lol if you can't hear the dice rolling in that trilogy. I mean, this is Dragonlance, where canonically the gods will kick you off the plane if you get too high level.
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It looks like there's enough interest that someone should make a Dragonlance thread for me to ignore.
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Lurdiak posted:No, it actually works perfectly, because it makes you imagine both the adventures they might have had in the interim and what they were like before those adventures, and you also get hints at their previous relationships and how they differ from what they used to be. If they'd just been friends the whole time or had just met, you wouldn't get nearly as much information about the characters in that short scene.
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Warthur posted:For my money, Weis and Hickman's treatment of it was just confusing.
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Lurdiak posted:E: Why are we talking about Dragonlance so much in this thread. Because Fewmaster Toede poo poo his pants at the Inn of the Last Home on the last day of Sol Con '17.
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moths posted:It looks like there's enough interest that someone should make a Dragonlance thread for me to ignore. Agreed, except replace "ignore" with "follow" for me. Either way a Dragonlance thread/readthrough/PBP/Telethon/Slashfic symposium or whatever seems like a thing that could and maybe should happen.
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Jul 16, 2019 18:11
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I am rereading the Lord of the Rings trilogy right now, and it is still very good.
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Jul 16, 2019 18:25
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Lord_Hambrose posted:I am rereading the Lord of the Rings trilogy right now, and it is still very good. Tolkien was a good worldbuilder and an astonishingly bad storyteller. I find the novels almost unreadable because of how bad he is at description and flow.
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Arivia posted:Tolkien was a good worldbuilder and an astonishingly bad storyteller. I find the novels almost unreadable because of how bad he is at description and flow. Thank you for your input.
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Lord_Hambrose posted:I mean, tropes are generated somewhere. True. Hell, the US Marine Corps started with "you meet in a tavern."
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Arivia posted:Tolkien was a good worldbuilder and an astonishingly bad storyteller. I find the novels almost unreadable because of how bad he is at description and flow. I recommend listening to the books, starting with The Hobbit. There is an absolutely amazing flow to Tolkien's writing.
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Jul 16, 2019 18:57
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Darwinism posted:I recommend listening to the books, starting with The Hobbit. There is an absolutely amazing flow to Tolkien's writing.
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With LotR, Getting through the first book was incredibly difficult for me - about two weeks chipping away at it a few pages at a time before getting bored. Then the Balrog shows up, and I finished the rest of the trilogy in a matter of days. I think there's an approach that takes a while to get into for Tolkien's writing to "click." Or maybe it's just me.
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Lurdiak posted:No, it actually works perfectly, because it makes you imagine both the adventures they might have had in the interim and what they were like before those adventures, and you also get hints at their previous relationships and how they differ from what they used to be. If they'd just been friends the whole time or had just met, you wouldn't get nearly as much information about the characters in that short scene. Cuz we're all secretly fans but don't want to admit it. 
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Dragonlance? The only dragon lance I'm a fan of is Actually, none. Edit I'm reading a Tolkien poem right now and it's good and flows well and tells a cool story although the name Bregolas just showed up and that's hilarious to me. "Yeah, I'm uh Bregolas, son of Brego... Bregor, son of... Boromir. Yeah." 90s Cringe Rock fucked around with this message at 19:28 on Jul 16, 2019 |
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Ugh, fine. When I get home tonight, I'm gonna fire up the shitpost forge, lower my hauberk, and start the Let's Read Dragonlance thread and you can all spend the next 3 years making me regret it.
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Jul 16, 2019 19:28
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Toshimo posted:Ugh, fine.  I hope you go by publication date because that's really the best way to show off the insane tone shifts and changes in setting direction as things went on
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just caught up to the last few pages of this thread in ~1992 I started dialing in to local BBSes including one multiline BBS where I started hanging out for an hour or two daily up until the place went under in ~1995 or so. I am only just now finding out, 25 years later, that half those people's handles came from dragonlance, a thing I never engaged with or read at all; raistlin, hasslehoff, lord soth, etc. It's a bit surreal. Given how much fantasy I read in the 1980s and 90s it's really weird I somehow managed to whiff on ever picking up a dragonlance book.
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Toshimo posted:Ugh, fine. I did not read much Dragonlance at all, mind you, but I'll read that.
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Leperflesh posted:half those people's handles came from dragonlance, a thing I never engaged with or read at all; raistlin, hasslehoff, lord soth, etc. It's a bit surreal. I think you'll find that one is more Knight Rider, and less an actual knight, riding.
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Toshimo posted:Ugh, fine. I debated throwing myself on that grenade, but better you than me. I'm still like two months behind in my F&F. Will read the gently caress out of that thread. It's awful enough in my memories from 20 years ago. I can't imagine what it's like to read it as an adult.
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Loomer posted:Hell, most of my grand adventures have started meeting in bars of various stripes.
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Toshimo posted:I think you'll find that one is more Knight Rider, and less an actual knight, riding. This would make me way more interested in Dragonlance, though.
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Lurdiak posted:E: Why are we talking about Dragonlance so much in this thread. We were all thirteen once. That said: Wikipedia posted:Over 190 novels have used the Dragonlance setting Holy crap.
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Toshimo posted:I think you'll find that one is more Knight Rider, and less an actual knight, riding. lol, tasslehoff, hasslehoff, same difference eh
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Darwinism posted:I recommend listening to the books, starting with The Hobbit. There is an absolutely amazing flow to Tolkien's writing. No thanks. If I’m going to the trouble to read literature out loud I’ll reread the Canterbury Tales or something. Tolkien is so boring.
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Like most I struggle through Tolkien's long descriptions of travelling but The Hobbit is extremely readable. Fellowship is rough until the end, Two Towers and RotK are great during the non-Frodo stuff and the Frodo stuff is still 50/50.
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Toshimo posted:I think you'll find that one is more Knight Rider, and less an actual knight, riding. Rename the crotchety car AI from KITT to FLINT
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Darwinism posted:I recommend listening to the books, starting with The Hobbit. There is an absolutely amazing flow to Tolkien's writing. Tolkien was trying to write them like the Eddas. They need to be read aloud.
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i don't care if you're pro- or anti-Tolkien but please stop using "flow" in reference to written fiction as if it means anything "flow" is to literature what "synergy" is to business organizations
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:i don't care if you're pro- or anti-Tolkien but please stop using "flow" in reference to written fiction as if it means anything 
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Last time I read LotR (and it was aloud), I was in the part where Legolas et al are chasing the orcs who have Merry and Pippin, and I was just flabbergasted. "How?" I asked (also aloud), "How are we still in this section? When does it end? They are just traveling. And they have been for literally thirty pages. Thirty pages!!" I don't know what flow means, but I know flabby. That was flabby writing.
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I don't care what you say, Tuxedo Catfish, I still say that Lord of the Rings has excellent synergy.  EDIT: synerflow flownergy
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Going off on Tolkien for having bad flow is just low-hanging fruit - you need to read it aloud to unlock its blue-sky potential. I'll ping you again to circle back about this opportunity at a later date. Best Regards,
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Tolkien's flow is clearly outmatched by Biggie, Doom, Andre, Eminem, and tons of others; he's not even in the conversation about who the best MC of all time is.
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