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Who do you wish to win the Democratic primaries?
This poll is closed.
Joe Biden, the Inappropriate Toucher 18 1.46%
Bernie Sanders, the Hand Flailer 665 54.11%
Elizabeth Warren, the Plan Maker 319 25.96%
Kamala Harris, the Cop Lord 26 2.12%
Cory Booker, the Super Hero Wannabe 5 0.41%
Julian Castro, the Twin 5 0.41%
Kirsten Gillibrand, the Franken Killer 5 0.41%
Pete Buttigieg, the Troop Sociopath 17 1.38%
Robert Francis O'Rourke, the Fake Latino 3 0.24%
Jay Inslee, the Climate Alarmist 8 0.65%
Marianne Williamson, the Crystal Queen 86 7.00%
Tulsi Gabbard, the Muslim Hater 23 1.87%
Andrew Yang, the $1000 Fool 32 2.60%
Eric Swalwell, the Insurance Wife Guy 2 0.16%
Amy Klobuchar, the Comb Enthusiast 1 0.08%
Bill de Blasio, the NYPD Most Hated 4 0.33%
Tim Ryan, the Dope Face 3 0.24%
John Hickenlooper, the Also Ran 7 0.57%
Total: 1229 votes
[Edit Poll (moderators only)]

 
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Pembroke Fuse
Dec 29, 2008

Discendo Vox posted:

Kirkland and Ellis has over a thousand partners.

Hi... I work at EvilCorp™... there's a lot of people at EvilCorp™ and not all of us are directly responsible for pumping out pure, unadulterated Evil. Some of us are responsible for bringing in profits and clients to make sure that others can pump out pure, unadulterated Evil. So we're morally in the clear.

There are really two ethical positions you can take here:
- Anyone who works for a lovely company is morally responsible for the full set of actions that company takes. Warren Harris taking money from some partner who didn't personally do bad things still produces some level of complicity, because their responsibility is a shared one.
- There is no ethical consumption/production under capitalism, so your personal choices don't matter that much in context, meaning that you would be contributing to exploitation somewhere else - but Warren Harris taking money from corporations is still terrible for its own sake.

Pembroke Fuse fucked around with this message at 17:38 on Jul 16, 2019

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eke out
Feb 24, 2013



Pembroke Fuse posted:

There are really two ethical positions you can take here:
- Anyone who works for a lovely company is morally responsible for the full set of actions that company takes. Warren taking money from some partner who didn't personally do bad things still produces some level of complicity, because their responsibility is a shared one.
- There is no ethical consumption/production under capitalism, so your personal choices don't matter that much in context, meaning that you would be contributing to exploitation somewhere else - but Warren taking money from corporations is still terrible for its own sake.

this whole story was about Harris but, given this thread, I can understand how we're blaming Warren for it

mormonpartyboat
Jan 14, 2015

by Reene

Discendo Vox posted:

Kirkland and Ellis has over a thousand partners.

ah yes i forgot that the child rape coverup dilution theory describes how once over a thousand people are complicit in and profit from the mass rape of children, it's no longer bad to be one of those people

how foolish of me to think money made off the industrialized raping of children was always bad

Typo
Aug 19, 2009

Chernigov Military Aviation Lyceum
The Fighting Slowpokes

mormonpartyboat posted:

ah yes i forgot that the child rape coverup dilution theory describes how once over a thousand people are complicit in and profit from the mass rape of children, it's no longer bad to be one of those people

how foolish of me to think money made off the industrialized raping of children was always bad

all of america is complicit in child rape pretty much

Calibanibal
Aug 25, 2015

Typo posted:

all of america is complicit in child rape pretty much

Yeah... this. Warren was already complicit, so her hobnobbing with these lawyers doesn't really change anything

Main Paineframe
Oct 27, 2010

Why did you post an edited, fake tweet in this thread?

Lycus
Aug 5, 2008

Half the posters in this forum have been made up. This website is a goddamn ghost town.

kidkissinger posted:

hell yeah! i was kinda bummed out that Cardi B was going through what I perceived to be a libertarian phase

She wasn't. People were taking what she said out of context and trying to paint it that way. She was complaining about her tax money going to stuff like wars.

Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005

Main Paineframe posted:

Why did you post an edited, fake tweet in this thread?

He thinks that the only reason people prefer Sanders over Warren is sexism or some other bad/dumb motivation, and thus aims to "expose the hypocrisy" of Sanders supporters by linking a bad Sanders opinion edited to seem like it's from Warren.

In regards to the original real tweet, the advantages to Sanders on the foreign policy front are primarily in the form of what he wouldn't do rather than what he would.

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

Typo posted:

gently caress any lawyer who would defend any rapist

Yes, because taking millions of dollars to get Jeffrey Epstein off on multiple counts of trafficking and rape is exactly the same as being a PD, it's not indicative of our hosed up system having two tracks based on whether or not you have money at all

Pembroke Fuse
Dec 29, 2008

eke out posted:

this whole story was about Harris but, given this thread, I can understand how we're blaming Warren for it

Not sure why my brain subbed in Warren (I'm pretty sure that she's more coherent about her stances than Harris, in this case).

redneck nazgul
Apr 25, 2013

Tulsi Gabbard rocks!!!!

This first generation Mexican-American supports Tulsi. Why?

(i) Her Middle-East policy is the same as President Obama's. Obama did not trust the foreign policy establishment with respect to the Middle East. And neither does Tulsi.

(ii) She’s an economic populist. One of three Reps to vote against PayGo, along with Ro Khanna and AOC.

(iii) I’d love to have a G&T with her

Heck Yes! Loam!
Nov 15, 2004

a rich, friable soil containing a relatively equal mixture of sand and silt and a somewhat smaller proportion of clay.
Sanders fundraising remains solid

https://twitter.com/FiveThirtyEight/status/1151165951045492741

Lycus
Aug 5, 2008

Half the posters in this forum have been made up. This website is a goddamn ghost town.
Haha, Delaney. What a money sink.

https://twitter.com/FiveThirtyEight/status/1151167906195132416?s=20

mormonpartyboat
Jan 14, 2015

by Reene

Ytlaya posted:

He thinks that the only reason people prefer Sanders over Warren is sexism or some other bad/dumb motivation, and thus aims to "expose the hypocrisy" of Sanders supporters by linking a bad Sanders opinion edited to seem like it's from Warren.

In regards to the original real tweet, the advantages to Sanders on the foreign policy front are primarily in the form of what he wouldn't do rather than what he would.

the only policy advantage warren has over sanders is that warren didnt vote for the 9/11 aumf (though she def would have)

MSDOS KAPITAL
Jun 25, 2018





Ghost Leviathan posted:

every libertarian turns out to be a socialist or fascist in the long run
That's only because everyone does.

Condiv
May 7, 2008

Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

With love,
a mod



so, did someone doctor this in discord and you decided to post it in here?

MSDOS KAPITAL
Jun 25, 2018





mormonpartyboat posted:

like, as much as he impacted the downballot, it's important to remember that the downballot actually resulted in won races, which means he performed worse than people relying on voters to blindly hit the vote straight ticket option lmao
You're comparing downballot districts to the entire state of Texas, which isn't really fair.

Thanks for making me defend Beto rear end in a top hat :mad:

HootTheOwl
May 13, 2012

Hootin and shootin

Why are you doing this to yourself, John?

Wicked Them Beats
Apr 1, 2007

Moralists don't really *have* beliefs. Sometimes they stumble on one, like on a child's toy left on the carpet. The toy must be put away immediately. And the child reprimanded.

Delaney has been running for president for two years.

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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Morbid Hound

Typo posted:

gently caress any lawyer who would defend any rapist

Our legal system is inherently tortuous and any public defender is doing good work

Of course public defenders only defend the indigent

Condiv
May 7, 2008

Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

With love,
a mod


https://twitter.com/gregbrown/status/1151161915563028482

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018
Why does Bernie own so hard?

E: goddamnlmao

https://twitter.com/GregJKrieg/status/1151182977088593920?s=19

Failed Imagineer fucked around with this message at 18:36 on Jul 16, 2019

mormonpartyboat
Jan 14, 2015

by Reene

MSDOS KAPITAL posted:

You're comparing downballot districts to the entire state of Texas, which isn't really fair.

it's just as fair as saying that his contribution to the downballot districts means losing to cruz the ooze was a successful campaign

Calibanibal
Aug 25, 2015

*yawn* Are people really still on the bernie train?

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

Calibanibal posted:

*yawn* Are people really still on the bernie train?

Condiv
May 7, 2008

Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

With love,
a mod



i only got 2 out of 6 correct

also, i love in the video how the guy interviewing bernie says he doesn't have the whole quote, but when bernie fills in the blanks for him he says "that's true but..."

Marxalot
Dec 24, 2008

Appropriator of
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mormonpartyboat posted:

it's just as fair as saying that his contribution to the downballot districts means losing to cruz the ooze was a successful campaign

Flipping every major city blue us an accomplishment, op. Even if most dems are awful shitlibs and the only thing he served to do was be a guy with a pulse and a campaign that said "look, if enough of us come out for this we can get rid of the Gila monster wearing a human suit".

mormonpartyboat
Jan 14, 2015

by Reene

Marxalot posted:

Flipping every major city blue us an accomplishment, op. Even if most dems are awful shitlibs and the only thing he served to do was be a guy with a pulse and a campaign that said "look, if enough of us come out for this we can get rid of the Gila monster wearing a human suit".

which is exactly my point, appreciate the congrats

MSDOS KAPITAL
Jun 25, 2018





mormonpartyboat posted:

it's just as fair as saying that his contribution to the downballot districts means losing to cruz the ooze was a successful campaign
Correct me if I'm wrong but your point seemed to be that he lost even though the downballot did well, from which you conclude that a lot of people voted for Democrats on the downballot races while still voting for Cruz. But, that doesn't follow: every single Democratic vote on the downballot could have also voted for Beto and he could have still lost while the downballot did well. And that's probably a fair approximation of what happened.

God drat it quit making me defend loving Robert Francis loving O'Rourke.

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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Morbid Hound

MSDOS KAPITAL posted:


God drat it quit making me defend loving Robert Francis loving O'Rourke.

Hot take of the day from me: Beto is better than Buttigieg or Kamala

Beto's a privileged goofus, the love child of Jar Jar Binks and Richie Rich, but what he says is, within his own head, sincere: he says a lot of stupid poo poo but he says what he means and sometimes he manages to take positions that aren't awful. So at least with Beto you know you're getting a candidate who will sometimes do the right thing.

Buttigieg and Kamala on the other hand are dishonest machines: every stance they take is manufactured and manicured. Even if they say they support something they aren't reliable or trustworthy so their promises are empty (see: Kamala's walkbacks on health care).

mormonpartyboat
Jan 14, 2015

by Reene

MSDOS KAPITAL posted:

Correct me if I'm wrong but your point seemed to be that he lost even though the downballot did well, from which you conclude that a lot of people voted for Democrats on the downballot races while still voting for Cruz.

thats wrong

what i was responding to was: "He apparently did a TON to win downballot races in Texas, he was legitimately well liked"

and my point was: beto was a void of a candidate, offering nothing substantial beyond having a choice on the ballot that is not ted cruz. ted cruz is disliked in this state enough to have that be enough for a big downballot effect (its the only reason i voted for beto). but that effect is not attributable to beto's particular properties or actions as a candidate, because he took great care to have no particular properties and take no actions. therefore, beto should not get personal credit for texas pushing purple

and if you go back that far for context, you'd also see the original argument is that "im not donald trump" is a terrible platform for a crowded democratic primary, especially if you're a candidate where "im not ted cruz" was not a winner in a general

mormonpartyboat
Jan 14, 2015

by Reene

Hieronymous Alloy posted:

Hot take of the day from me: Beto is better than Buttigieg or Kamala

if you're doing that, you might as well say castro's better than those three combined

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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Morbid Hound

mormonpartyboat posted:

if you're doing that, you might as well say castro's better than those three combined

wait you expect me to remember all the candidates now?

once we go up to a list of four that's 4x3x2x1 ranked combinations, I can't count that high

mormonpartyboat
Jan 14, 2015

by Reene

Hieronymous Alloy posted:

wait you expect me to remember all the candidates now?

once we go up to a list of four that's 4x3x2x1 ranked combinations, I can't count that high

while it is true that he doesn't have the handy tablespoon measurement lines like butter greg , ,      ,

Heck Yes! Loam!
Nov 15, 2004

a rich, friable soil containing a relatively equal mixture of sand and silt and a somewhat smaller proportion of clay.
Bernie dragging Biden in a twitter poll.
https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/status/1151207345269235714

Gyges
Aug 4, 2004

NOW NO ONE
RECOGNIZE HULK

Condiv posted:

i only got 2 out of 6 correct

also, i love in the video how the guy interviewing bernie says he doesn't have the whole quote, but when bernie fills in the blanks for him he says "that's true but..."

Gotta love the Obama switch out on the last question.

I said come in!
Jun 22, 2004


Why is fundraising even a thing? Like, I legitimately don't know how this works or what it's suppose to accomplish. Many of these politicians are already super wealthy, so why I, someone who has to work super hard just to not lose their house want to give money to someone like Bernie Sanders who never has to worry about his finances?

punishedkissinger
Sep 20, 2017

I said come in! posted:

Why is fundraising even a thing? Like, I legitimately don't know how this works or what it's suppose to accomplish. Many of these politicians are already super wealthy, so why I, someone who has to work super hard just to not lose their house want to give money to someone like Bernie Sanders who never has to worry about his finances?

Do you think that donations to political candidates pay for their living expenses or something?

I said come in!
Jun 22, 2004

kidkissinger posted:

Do you think that donations to political candidates pay for their living expenses or something?

That's what i'm asking. What is actually used for? I have no idea. Many of these people are super loving wealthy, why do they need my money?

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Heck Yes! Loam!
Nov 15, 2004

a rich, friable soil containing a relatively equal mixture of sand and silt and a somewhat smaller proportion of clay.

I said come in! posted:

That's what i'm asking. What is actually used for? I have no idea.

its campaign expenditures mostly. it costs a good amount of money to pay a campaign staff , travel expenses, media buys, etc.

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