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mistaya posted:Yeah if AOC accomplishes one thing, and that thing is "gently caress spending all your time calling donors when you can connect with your constituents instead for even better results" it's a game-changer. It's a heck of a silver lining, isn't it? The video of her giving a speech before Congress on behalf of her constituents who had been affected by the government shutdown was huge, and she hasn't slowed down from then. She's definitely risen to the occasion and above the GOP's fearmongering - it's amazing how they've only pushed her to loftier heights! Whoops, almost forgot the tax. 
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Au Revoir Shosanna posted:seems like a bad rule? Could the Democrats not have trashed that rule after they took power?
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theflyingorc posted:Yeah because facts don't matter for poo poo, I think doing so at the time would have resulted in a pretty significant backlash against the Democrats. If Democrats had taken charge and control of the narrative then it would have been fine. I guess we can both agree that the Democrats were weak, spineless cowards more interested in waiting until all the work is done for them than actually trying to shape the narrative.
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Dammerung posted:It's a heck of a silver lining, isn't it? The video of her giving a speech before Congress on behalf of her constituents who had been affected by the government shutdown was huge, and she hasn't slowed down from then. She's definitely risen to the occasion and above the GOP's fearmongering - it's amazing how they've only pushed her to loftier heights! They have absolutely no idea what to do with intense millennial power such as AOC has, every single time they've come for her she's loving chaos dunked all over them from high orbit
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Wait, what, I feel like I've never heard of these decorum rules but I feel like I should have? I get that you don't want senators caning eachother on the floor, but not being able to call out corruption? The founder's heads would be spinning over this bullshit.
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Au Revoir Shosanna posted:seems like a bad rule? https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/HMAN-112/pdf/HMAN-112-jeffersonman.pdf (6) referring to him as ‘‘a little bugger’’
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Dammerung posted:It's a heck of a silver lining, isn't it? The video of her giving a speech before Congress on behalf of her constituents who had been affected by the government shutdown was huge, and she hasn't slowed down from then. She's definitely risen to the occasion and above the GOP's fearmongering - it's amazing how they've only pushed her to loftier heights! Ms Adequate posted:They have absolutely no idea what to do with intense millennial power such as AOC has, every single time they've come for her she's loving chaos dunked all over them from high orbit I have to say that this conversation taking place at the same time theflyingorc is angrily insisting that the Democrats couldn't possibly have done anything is some real 
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mistaya posted:Yeah if AOC accomplishes one thing, and that thing is "gently caress spending all your time calling donors when you can connect with your constituents instead for even better results" it's a game-changer. I doubt that will be a lasting accomplishment. People are energized now. Progress is slow. Those folks will get tried of slow progress or get complacent.
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Can't the Dems just bring it to the floor and say "gently caress you, we're not striking it" with a simple majority?
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SKULL.GIF posted:I have to say that this conversation taking place at the same time theflyingorc is angrily insisting that the Democrats couldn't possibly have done anything is some real all they had to do is be as effective at marketing on new media as a millennial who we're all currently marveling at, guys. it's JUST THAT SIMPLE Just be as good as somebody who is knocking all our socks off, guys. Just do that. Just say anything. As long as it's compelling, mesmerising, a tour de force! edit: She also wouldn't have been able to turn public opinion at that time. Now is a pretty good time, and I hope we can move towards impeachment. theflyingorc fucked around with this message at 21:28 on Jul 16, 2019 |
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RBA Starblade posted:Plain White Girls Average White Bund
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This is amazing. If there is one thing we get out of this administration it's the constant reveals of all the ways that the office of the presidency is completely beyond reproach as long as you dig hard enough for obscure rules.
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CuddleCryptid posted:This is amazing. If there is one thing we get out of this administration it's the constant reveals of all the ways that the office of the presidency is completely beyond reproach as long as you dig hard enough for obscure rules. Well, half of those have been added since it looked like Trump was going to be the Republican nominee Most of those rules are to directly impact him.
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Au Revoir Shosanna posted:seems like a bad rule? since when have the rules mattered to republicans
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loving Trump people are out there defying subpoenas and being corrupt as gently caress and Democrats can't just say, gently caress these rules, you're not abiding by them, Trump is a racist, majority rules, we're not loving striking it down!
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Ah, but you see, she didn't call the president racist OR say he made a racist statement, she specifically said that it was the Tweet that was racist, and a tweet isn't a statememt because the dictionary defines a statement as being either spoken or in writing, not something typed! Checkmate atheists.
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CuddleCryptid posted:This is amazing. If there is one thing we get out of this administration it's the constant reveals of all the ways that the office of the presidency is completely beyond reproach as long as you dig hard enough for obscure rules. I think what'll be more telling is what happens after he leaves the white house. Does he get prosecuted or not? Does everyone around him get prosecuted? Are his badly covered up crimes exposed? I can imagine a total dem stab in the back about not prosecuting people under some sort of bullshit "moving forward" platform and people loving hating it.
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Rex-Goliath posted:since when have the rules mattered to republicans they put it in there just for this exact scenario lol
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If Pelosi's words are struck down, all the progressive reps should take time to talk about Trump being a racist.
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Ice Phisherman posted:I think what'll be more telling is what happens after he leaves the white house. Does he get prosecuted or not? Does everyone around him get prosecuted? Are his badly covered up crimes exposed? I honestly wonder if he is going to be mentally fit to stand trial in four years
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They are using Pelosi strike down to justify striking the entire resolution.
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Ms Adequate posted:They have absolutely no idea what to do with intense millennial power such as AOC has, every single time they've come for her she's loving chaos dunked all over them from high orbit What it really comes down to is that she has no reason to play by or pretend to care about their ridiculous double-standards. Attacks and maneuvers that would damage somebody like Pelosi are just perceived as the self-serving moves that they are. It's fantastic, I hope she is the start of a new trend of politicians! Doctor Butts posted:I doubt that will be a lasting accomplishment. I don't think she'll be slowing down any time soon.
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Ice Phisherman posted:I think what'll be more telling is what happens after he leaves the white house. Does he get prosecuted or not? Does everyone around him get prosecuted? Are his badly covered up crimes exposed? if nothing else the current NYAG ran on a platform of investigating and prosecuting Trump, and her predecessor blew up the Trump Foundation
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USPOL Summer: there seems to be a lot of confusion on the House floor
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Fighting tooth and nail to strike down a strongly worded letter of do-nothing.  Those rules are clearly bullshit and the house majority should move to you know, vote on striking all those bullshit rules that have just come to light. Especially if they have no precedence and were only put in place to shield Donald loving Trump from criticism.
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One thing that is interesting from AOC's speech yesterday in particular, which I haven't seen anyone mention, is she straight up said Trump is using the Department of Transportation to strong arm politicians. Trump and McConnell have absolutely been doing this to keep people in line, since Elaine Chao (McConnell's wife) can absolutely withhold funds from states at a whim. Generally Secretary of Transportation is a cushy job without much day to day, since most construction projects are planned years out. But Chao has apparently been threatening anyone they can that she'll nuke their district if they don't go this way or that. It's mostly been republicans to keep them in line, but apparently it's happened to some softer Dems as well. Like this is every definition of abuse of power in existence but it's barely a story at all.
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Dammerung posted:I don't think she'll be slowing down any time soon. It's not about her. It's about the people donating and her constituents.
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CuddleCryptid posted:I honestly wonder if he is going to be mentally fit to stand trial in four years I can think of nothing better than for him not to go to prison, but forced to an old folks home for dementia. The sooner the better, honestly.
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mistaya posted:Fighting tooth and nail to strike down a strongly worded letter of do-nothing. Republicans are VERY into precedent and decorum because decorum lets them hide their actions and precedent was often established in less enlightened times, so setting a precedent to do away with decorum is really, really bad to them.
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Ugh...glad she's getting exposure, not glad she's going on Rubin's show. He's about as dumb as it gets.
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CuddleCryptid posted:I honestly wonder if he is going to be mentally fit to stand trial in four years If you adjust for "has an expensive attorney" it's not clear he's fit to stand trial now. But yeah more seriously that's been his predictable defense since day 1.
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Majorian posted:Ugh...glad she's getting exposure, not glad she's going on Rubin's show. He's about as dumb as it gets. Sounds like they're made for each other.
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theflyingorc posted:all they had to do is be as effective at marketing on new media as a millennial who we're all currently marveling at, guys. it's JUST THAT SIMPLE The implicit argument here is that AOC is unique and exceptional. She's not. She's really, really not. She's one of us. She just isn't beholden to AIPAC, she isn't beholden to corporate interests, she hasn't been bought and paid for. As a result she can actually speak her mind and she can actually fight for her constituents, American citizens, and people across the world. If that's your bar for exceptional, then, sure, go ahead. But we're going to see a lot more people like AOC come 2020 and 2022 as more millennials break into our politics. It's in the interests of the status quo to paint AOC as a shooting star because it has a stifling effect on others who might think about following in her footsteps, instead of AOC showing that the Democrat party is stuffed to the gills with careerists and lifers.
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