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Dravs posted:isn't the customs union part of the single market? no. turkey is part of the customs union and will never be let into the single market a quick google has got me this quote:
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Jose posted:no. turkey is part of the customs union and will never be let into the single market So customs union is like stage one EU membership, and single market is stage two? More EU?
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Jul 16, 2019 13:54
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Yes, however, what I mean is, to be in the single market, you are also in the customs union by default? Like you can't be in the single market without also being in the customs union. This would be an even worse deal for the ERG than what May was proposing, no? Can't wait to see how they justify it.
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Dravs posted:Yes, however, what I mean is, to be in the single market, you are also in the customs union by default? Like you can't be in the single market without also being in the customs union. thats correct yeah prefect posted:So customs union is like stage one EU membership, and single market is stage two? More EU? the customs union means the same tariffs on everything coming into/out of it from countries outside the union. The single market is tariff-free trading for the entire area
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Jul 16, 2019 13:56
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Jose posted:no. turkey is part of the customs union and will never be let into the single market Checks out: when you think about it both Turkey and us are occupying EU member territory
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Jul 16, 2019 14:00
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prefect posted:So customs union is like stage one EU membership, and single market is stage two? More EU? As I understand it, the customs union is an agreement on how trade items are regulated, such as what chemicals can be used in fertilizer and things like that. The customs union is what prevents the UK from being forced to take chlorinated chicken from the US etc. You can still create your own trade deals with 3rd party countries and still abide by the customs union. The single market is the 0 tariff trade agreement in effect across the EU, where all goods can be bought and sold without any impeding import or export costs. The goods can travel quickly across borders as the quality of all goods within the EU fall under the customs union, meaning there is a guarantee that nothing is tainted by outside influence (although it doesn't stop some random slaughterhouse in Romania from chopping up horses and selling it as beef as we have seen). As part of the single market you cannot create your own trade deals. All trade deals are done by the EU commission and apply to every member country in the single market. The point of this is that the EU can negotiate a better deal with it's GDP of $billions than a smaller country could with its GDP of $millions. I think this is correct, someone tell me if I'm wrong?
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Jul 16, 2019 14:03
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Since I never remember it well enough the customs union covers the trade aspect of the single market including no tariffs between countries in the union. THe single market covers movement of capital/services/labour https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/facts-figures/eu-customs-union-unique-world_en quote:A uniform system of customs duties is being used on imports from outside the EU and there are no customs duties at the borders between the EU countries.
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Jul 16, 2019 14:11
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Yeah you can't be in the single market without freedom of movement so that's why Turkey is just in the customs union and not the single market. That's the best case scenario for the kind of status post Brexit Britain could have, with a more likely scenario being Watch Dogs Legion and an even more likely scenario being Brit-Cit from Judge Dredd.
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Jul 16, 2019 14:18
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We're heading to Children of Men or a full on revolution no matter what customs arrangements we end up on.
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https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1151135740354449410?s=20
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Jul 16, 2019 15:27
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lol I guess no deal really is Plan A
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Jul 16, 2019 15:34
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tory voters have never cared about the economy so tbh it makes the most sense for bojo to NDB asap, call a GE on the back of "its done now so no point complaining, we can see a way forward. labour what even is their position lol?" and push hard on racism and punitive politics which is what their base actually gives a poo poo about. you could probably get 5-10 years of bojo if they were racist enough meanwhile the liberal press will back the libdems and cry about how the two big parties are both as bad as eachother
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Jul 16, 2019 15:44
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I wonder why British Jews largely vote for the Tories and American Jews largely vote for the Democrats, like 80%+
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Jul 16, 2019 15:46
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Ramrod Hotshot posted:lol I guess no deal really is Plan A They don't have a plan, being as there is no possible plan.
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Jul 16, 2019 15:46
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This is the editor of the Jewish chronicle https://twitter.com/stephenpollard/...ingawful.com%2F
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Jul 16, 2019 15:49
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the antisemitism scandal has really just shown that almost all UK jewish establishment figures are basically dacre-tier far right shitlords and i didnt know that before and its a real shame
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Jul 16, 2019 15:55
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brugroffil posted:I wonder why British Jews largely vote for the Tories and American Jews largely vote for the Democrats, like 80%+ both parties are similarly right wing though
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Jul 16, 2019 16:05
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you'd think with the tories going full fash over brexit they might turn out for lib dem instead https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/1151165049706299392
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Jul 16, 2019 17:27
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Obliterati posted:Checks out: when you think about it both Turkey and us are occupying EU member territory Naw just Turkey, the British territory is sleazily obtained legal squatting, like Guantanamo Bay in Cuba for the US.
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Jul 16, 2019 18:11
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https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1151206574691688448?s=20
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Jul 16, 2019 20:12
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Eurosceptics Attack Johnson Tories Choose Johnson Britain Unites Behind Johnson Hancock Defends Johnson is this one of those cases where slang has diverged? if so, imagine if the next US president was named Charles Todger.
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Jul 16, 2019 21:57
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Doc Hawkins posted:Eurosceptics Attack Johnson It isn't lost on us, trust me.
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Jul 16, 2019 22:02
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Newly Trimmed Johnson Wows Crowds
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Jul 16, 2019 22:06
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johnson blurts out some hot nonsense all over a visiting dignitary, leading to almighty cleanup operation
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Jul 16, 2019 22:49
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Inexplicable Humblebrag posted:newspaper editors chanting "antisemitism" to the tune of "don't you want me baby"
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Jul 16, 2019 23:00
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Brexit means Brexit, lads. Vitamin P even yearns for it.
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Jul 16, 2019 23:06
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Centrists really have no idea how to advertise stuff do they https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/st...ingawful.com%2F
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Jul 16, 2019 23:13
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That's probably as far as they can go without getting sued though. That sentiment repeated over and over and over in the press is effective, doing it as a single bombshell ad just feels weak they chose the wrong format.
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Jul 16, 2019 23:25
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Do we have to act like newspaper ads still matter?
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Jul 16, 2019 23:27
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Jose posted:Centrists really have no idea how to advertise stuff do they hahaha jesus loving christ wtf is going on this poo poo doesn't even seem to matter that much to the general public, all it does is cement bitterness and strife among activists these idiots are doing scorched earth in their own loving party
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Jul 16, 2019 23:32
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V. Illych L. posted:these idiots are doing scorched earth in their own loving party Wouldn't be surprised. Brexit is a chance for whoever is in charge to be making new rules and laws (BRING BACK HANGING FOR THE POOR AND IMMIGRANTS) and if they can get in charge they will be KINGS.
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Jul 16, 2019 23:46
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Lambert posted:Do we have to act like newspaper ads still matter? how else am i to find a product which helps me get out of chairs or into bath/showers
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Jul 16, 2019 23:48
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V. Illych L. posted:these idiots are doing scorched earth in their own loving party Parties only matter as a vehicle for power and we then hope there's an ideology that lends a better purpose that power might be used for. There's a ton of Labour peers that just skipped the ideology and the better purpose phase, they are pure social power clout seekers. They don't see it as their party because once it stopped being an instrument of nominally non-ideological anti-redistributionism all the bits about it that mattered to them stopped too. They don't see themselves as traitors or wrongdoers, they probably see themselves as perfectly sound folk, because they are seeing politics through a totally different, morally-lower frame than we are.
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Vitamin P posted:morally-lower frame than we are. Ah yes, the way "we" see policy, Mr. Vitamin P.
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Jul 17, 2019 00:08
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Jose posted:Centrists really have no idea how to advertise stuff do they im all the evidence
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Jul 17, 2019 00:12
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Jul 17, 2019 00:29
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happyhippy posted:Wouldn't be surprised. i mean it's not as though the labour left can claim that rebellious factionalism is inherently illegitimate, but there has really got to be a limit - even with the iraq war the awkward squad never resorted to this sort of nonsense, and that was a genuine horrific crime against humanity
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Jul 17, 2019 00:30
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V. Illych L. posted:i mean it's not as though the labour left can claim that rebellious factionalism is inherently illegitimate, but there has really got to be a limit - even with the iraq war the awkward squad never resorted to this sort of nonsense, and that was a genuine horrific crime against humanity party democracy is surely the only way to judge how legitimate or illegitimate a particular stance is and the party has consistently spoken quite clearly, especially since it was given a meaningful voice
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Jul 17, 2019 00:49
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can't wait to see youtubers yelling in their car about thar ad
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NO21pcVEb-Y IT BEGINS
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