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alex314 posted:What I don't get is why the hell they needed old A2A missile?!? I'm sure Russia could provide them with portable systems with decent deniability. They were not necessarily going to sell/give it to Ukrainian separatists. The Italian police are currently investigating various far-right groups that have fought on both sides of the Donbass conflict in Ukraine, and with Forza Nuova, who are a pro-Russian group, they just chanced upon a stash of weapons.
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It's the 5th anniversary of the MH17 shoot down today, so we've just released the first part of our new MH17 podcast documentary, which includes lots of interviews with all sorts of people involved with the case: https://www.bellingcat.com/resources/podcasts/2019/07/17/mh17-episode-guide-1/ We've also just published a new piece giving more context to the arrest announced by the JIT: https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-...icials-to-mh17/
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Scaramouche posted:Yeah they we're saving that one to take out the dreaded Italian air force 1 missile for 1 working plane seems likely
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Navalny calling for protests this Saturday. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKJ8ubVJeqg
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Some local governments in the Polish equivalents of Bumfuck, Alabama have also passed resolutions declaring their municipalities "free of LGBT". LGBT is the new bogeyman peddled by the right in Poland after they found out that trying to scaremonger using immigrants is no longer effective.
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Yes Europe, take heed. Poland will no longer take in the assigned quota of LGBT people. Poland is not yet lost!
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szary posted:Some local governments in the Polish equivalents of Bumfuck, Alabama have also passed resolutions declaring their municipalities "free of LGBT". LGBT is the new bogeyman peddled by the right in Poland after they found out that trying to scaremonger using immigrants is no longer effective. Well, the only people who actually want to go to Poland are Ukrainians.
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OddObserver posted:Well, the only people who actually want to go to Poland are Ukrainians. And they are not welcome there either! Just this month someone thrown a molotov at a Warsaw flat where Ukrainian workers live, and left this graffiti:  'UPAinian whores'
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Election time again in Ukraine: https://twitter.com/SimonOstrovsky/status/1153242976979697665 https://twitter.com/SimonOstrovsky/status/1153245883657609217 https://twitter.com/ChristopherJM/status/1153216752781860865 https://twitter.com/daniloeliatweet/status/1153190166221205505
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The last map only shows only one of the two fascist parties' vote share in the Netherlands. We're actually much worse in reality!
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Orange Devil posted:The last map only shows only one of the two fascist parties' vote share in the Netherlands. We're actually much worse in reality! Well, to be fair, the pro-Russian parties are basically ethnic supremacist, and they got like 15% of vote combined. It's kinda hard to top NL voting for Russia's interests in a referendum right after Russia murdered a bunch of their kids, though.
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OddObserver posted:Well, to be fair, the pro-Russian parties are basically ethnic supremacist, and they got like 15% of vote combined. It's kinda hard to top NL voting for Russia's interests in a referendum right after Russia murdered a bunch of their kids, though. Pretty sure most of the people on MH17 were adults, but yeah, it's bad.
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OddObserver posted:Well, to be fair, the pro-Russian parties are basically ethnic supremacist, and they got like 15% of vote combined. If Boiko and Rabinovich are ethnic supremacists, Poroshenko's European Solidarity are also literal nazis. That's a bit disingenuous to say the least. Lyashko's Radical Party, on the other hand could probably be counted as far-right in the same sense as Austrian Freedom party, even though Lyashko is said to have served interests of 'pro-Russian' Lyovochkin. Gladly, it looks like Lyashko doesn't make into Rada this time. It's also worth noting that the three bigger 'pro-Russian' parties have varying degrees of ties to Russia. Where Opposition Platform's (~11%) Medvedchuk is literally Putin's personal friend, the leaders of Opposition Block (~3%) are under Russian sanctions. Sharyi's Party (~3%) is a dark horse, and it's not clear if Sharyi is directly affiliated with any of Ukrainian oligarchs or with Kremlin, he used to support Akhmetov and Muraev's political projects, but they seemed to have fallen out. Paladinus fucked around with this message at 14:35 on Jul 22, 2019 |
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Orange Devil posted:Pretty sure most of the people on MH17 were adults, but yeah, it's bad. 80 passengers were under the age of 18. I spoke at the symposium for the family members that was held for the 5th anniversary last week. I got the sense there was still frustration about various aspects of what happened, in particular how the government handled contacting and helping the relatives in the initial aftermath, and the way in which the Russian government seems to be getting away with doing a lot of terrible poo poo without any serious repercussions, but still a sense progress is being made towards justice and accountability. We interviewed some family members for the podcast we've made on MH17 as well, hearing from them about their experiences made me more pissed off with Russia over MH17 than I was before, their propaganda has been remarkably cruel to the family members.
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Paladinus posted:If Boiko and Rabinovich are ethnic supremacists, Poroshenko's European Solidarity are also literal nazis. That's a bit disingenuous to say the least. Regardless, saying that viewing ethnic/cultural Ukrainians as a bunch of dumb peasants who can't speak properly isn't a major factor between relations between Russia, Ukraine, and certain fragments of Ukrainian electorate would be wrong. There is a reason I didn't use a specific right-wing label --- the charge applies equally to many a "liberal" Russian journalist.
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OddObserver posted:Regardless, saying that viewing ethnic/cultural Ukrainians as a bunch of dumb peasants who can't speak properly isn't a major factor between relations between Russia, Ukraine, and certain fragments of Ukrainian electorate would be wrong. There is a reason I didn't use a specific right-wing label --- the charge applies equally to many a "liberal" Russian journalist. Well, yes, I don't doubt that part of their electorate hate Ukrainian language and culture. But then, you know, there is a substantial amount of voters for other parties who think that unless you speak Ukrainian in your daily life, you can't be a real Ukrainian. That's not the right way to judge what a party stands for for the majority of their voters. Poroshenko may have support of some nationalists with his 'Army. Language. Faith.' motto, but I don't doubt for a second that for the majority of people he is still just a guy whose party they think would be more effective in leading Ukraine to EU and NATO. By the same token, people may vote for Opposition Platform, because they see that no matter how you cut it Medvedchuk is the only politician who manages to free Ukrainian soldiers from Russian capture, and his party might be more effective at ending the war. It's also clear that both so-called 'parties of war' and 'pro-Russian parties' have lost half of their votes to Zelenskyi, because of his middle of the road rhetoric. E: obviously, neither European Solidarity or Opprosition Platform have anything about ethnic superiority in their official documents, but you can easily find some spicy quotes by members of both calling people in Eastern or Western Ukraine respectively some unsavoury names. Again, not the best way to judge a party. Paladinus fucked around with this message at 15:00 on Jul 22, 2019 |
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Brown Moses posted:80 passengers were under the age of 18. I spoke at the symposium for the family members that was held for the 5th anniversary last week. I got the sense there was still frustration about various aspects of what happened, in particular how the government handled contacting and helping the relatives in the initial aftermath, and the way in which the Russian government seems to be getting away with doing a lot of terrible poo poo without any serious repercussions, but still a sense progress is being made towards justice and accountability. We interviewed some family members for the podcast we've made on MH17 as well, hearing from them about their experiences made me more pissed off with Russia over MH17 than I was before, their propaganda has been remarkably cruel to the family members. Oh trust me my dude, I know. One of the passengers was a teacher at my primary school (didn't teach me, but did teach my sister) and his girlfriend. Russia can get hosed forever.
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:Question about the map of Europe showing all the fascist-leaning political parties gaining power: Is this organic fascism or Russian-influenced fascism? It's both! Say, the Front National in France is definitely home-grown Vichy nostalgists, but they also get substantial financial support from Russia and the Le Pens have been friendly with the Kremlin for over a decade.
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Pinterest Mom posted:It's both! Jobbik are also good pals with Kremlin. On the other hand, Polish ultra-nationalism is distinctly anti-Russian, but if I'm not mistaken PiS are still friendly with some far-right European parties with ties to Russia. It's a land of contrasts!
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Rydzyk enjoyed Russian support from mid 1990’, so it’s really hard to discern who PiS and other right wingers really like. They have absolutely no qualms with having one public facing set of beliefs and other private, as shown by Kaczynski’s tapes.
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alex314 posted:Rydzyk enjoyed Russian support from mid 1990’, so it’s really hard to discern who PiS and other right wingers really like. They have absolutely no qualms with having one public facing set of beliefs and other private, as shown by Kaczynski’s tapes. See also their relationship with Trump.
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Pembroke Fuse posted:While I'm aware that Navalny is a mixed bag, its kinda cool to see this: https://twitter.com/navalny/status/1152593331970592768 You know, I can imagine it literally be the fault of the graphologist who decided to gently caress over opposition candidates out of their own bias, and onward it was simply the bureaucratic machine spinning its wheels. Opposition candidates participated in Moscow duma elections in 2014, and couldn't get a single seat both due to general electoral fuckery (problems with running ads, changes to laws close to elections that targeted younger voters, etc.) unleashed by local government, but also due to Sobyanin's relative popularity and his unwavering support of United Russia. I don't think much has changed since then that would explain switching from the aforementioned general fuckery to outright not allowing opposition candidates to participate. Plus, you would think recent protests in support of Ivan Golunov and against construction of a cathedral in Yekaterinburg's were enough of a sign for Kremlin to thread more carefully with controversial anti-dissent measures.
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Ruffian Price posted:Russia still benefits from that, it's free propaganda portraying them as an all-powerful danger while also building distrust towards NATO. You bet your rear end they're funding it I didn't see anything to prove that, but wouldn't be too surprising, sure.
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Paladinus posted:You know, I can imagine it literally be the fault of the graphologist who decided to gently caress over opposition candidates out of their own bias, and onward it was simply the bureaucratic machine spinning its wheels. Opposition candidates participated in Moscow duma elections in 2014, and couldn't get a single seat both due to general electoral fuckery (problems with running ads, changes to laws close to elections that targeted younger voters, etc.) unleashed by local government, but also due to Sobyanin's relative popularity and his unwavering support of United Russia. I don't think much has changed since then that would explain switching from the aforementioned general fuckery to outright not allowing opposition candidates to participate. Plus, you would think recent protests in support of Ivan Golunov and against construction of a cathedral in Yekaterinburg's were enough of a sign for Kremlin to thread more carefully with controversial anti-dissent measures. Yeah, its not like they don't already have some excellent machinery in place for making sure that various opposition candidates can't win. Its a hell of a lot more advantageous to get opposition leaders on the ballot and have them "naturally" lose each time than just banning them outright.
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Nitrox posted:What is this poo poo in my news feed
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florida lan posted:We must clear Tverskoy Bulvar of babas, it is essential for safety https://twitter.com/Kirilenko_a/status/1155055277185654784 This is pathetic. Hassling random aged citizens doesn't exactly speak to being in control or on top of poo poo. E: How to deal with Russian cops if you're arrested: https://team29.org/knowhow/talk/ Pembroke Fuse fucked around with this message at 16:27 on Jul 27, 2019 |
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It appears the GRU may be having another round of trying to phish emails, this time in a more sophisticated and target way than their earlier 2015 and 2017 phishing campaigns that targeted several thousand attacks, and led to the Podesta email leaks. This targeting included Bellingcat members and The Insider Russia journalists who worked on IDing GRU officers linked to the Skripal poisonings:quote:Bellingcat journalists targeted by failed phishing attempt Threat Connect put out a technical analysis of the campaign, and ProtonMail put out a statement. What we've discovered since is at least 12 individuals were targeted by the same campaign, all of which are working on topics relating to Russia, and 3 of which were directly involved with our research on IDing and tracking the third GRU officer linked to the Skripal poisoning, one of whom hadn't previously worked on those sorts of topics.
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