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Father Jack posted:yes i have, but the vast majority of the use of this computer is media playback, and i'd prefer local drives for that. i'm not ruling it out, but i'd prefer local drives. streaming media from a synology running linux is probably a better idea than streaming it from desktop windows Father Jack posted:should i run server on everything? since you have an msdn subscription, that's a hard yes, jack "windows server datacenter edition" is the normal version of windows with nothing deliberately hosed with. every version of windows that isn't datacenter edition has been hobbled in some way to induce you to pay microsoft money the windows desktop version, specifically, is riddled with dumbass limitations to prevent you from having a good time using it as a fileserver
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BangersInMyKnickers posted:you really need to learn acceptable risk instead of insisting every single hobbyist htpc be spec'd the same as an oracle db server you're the one suggesting a $500 small business NAS to replace a simple htpc he already owns, not me i suggested raid 1 and installing windows server (which he already owns!)
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just keep offsites if ur so worried about a random catastrophic raid failure it's a layer of hardware failure resiliency, that's it.
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:you're the one suggesting a $500 small business NAS to replace a simple htpc he already owns, not me how in the hell is raid 1 any better for your block corruption scenario over 5?
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BangersInMyKnickers posted:how in the hell is raid 1 any better for your block corruption scenario over 5? no write hole, (virtually) no rebuild risk every block is mirrored on both disks. odds are very good that one of the disks is good, and odds are very good that you know which disk it is
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BangersInMyKnickers posted:how in the hell is raid 1 any better for your block corruption scenario over 5? Less write amplification maybe? OP: store anything you can’t fit on an SSD RAID1 in Glacier, hth? E: and backup that RAID1 to the  , obvs?
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don’t forget to setup active directory for acls on your netflix torrent box
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Schadenboner posted:Less write amplification maybe? hush
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:no write hole, (virtually) no rebuild risk write hole for raid 5 on write through mode is minimal and, again, this is an htpc which is going to be doing minimal writes anyway. you're going to know if the power cuts while you're writing something to it, and you'll re-run the job. you are talking absolute nonsense
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other option - get a redundant ups and a server with a few tb of ram and story everything in ram. you would also need a fibre link at home for disaster recovery
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:streaming media from a synology running linux is probably a better idea than streaming it from desktop windows jesus christ i am not usually streaming across any network . the computer we are talking about is directly connected to my tv and amp. it's job is to play music and movies through the devices it is directly connected to. i very occasionally ask it to send me a file over my local network. my phone usually does more traffic over cellular in a month than that does over my home lan. Notorious b.s.d. posted:since you have an msdn subscription, that's a hard yes, jack seriously? laptops too? you're coming off a bit mental here. though i do take your point about rebuilds and will consider that. e: i am in fact now thinking about buying 4 new drives instead of 3, and putting them in software raid 1, rather than 5. Pierre Chaton fucked around with this message at 20:24 on Jul 17, 2019 |
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Father Jack posted:seriously? laptops too? you're coming off a bit mental here. if cost is no object i can imagine no reason to ever use anything except the datacenter edition are you really this into microsoft branding? datacenter edition is the normal version of windows without anything hosed around with
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cinci zoo sniper posted:other option - get a redundant ups and a server with a few tb of ram and story everything in ram. you would also need a fibre link at home for disaster recovery no that's where the tape drives come in
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this thing has to wait until 29 to realize that it keeps throwin up the screensaver?
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flakeloaf posted:no that's where the tape drives come in
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at minimum you need a ZFS appliance, and a tape backup for offsite iron mountain storage for your personal media server
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i agree
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lol if you dont have a comprehensive disaster recovery plan in place for your 10tb of pornography
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BangersInMyKnickers posted:write hole for raid 5 on write through mode is minimal and, again, this is an htpc which is going to be doing minimal writes anyway. you're going to know if the power cuts while you're writing something to it, and you'll re-run the job. you are talking absolute nonsense the write hole is massive modern disks have 256 megabyte caches. meaning you just lost N * 256 megabytes of writes to the various disks better hope that you didn't need the last, oh, gigabyte or so of data you wrote. and that the data in the cache was written in a coherent order the worst thing about disks, disk writes, and caching, is when a newer write gets commited to disk before an older one. this happens all the time in write through mode, just by accident, because it was more efficient so if you are operating in write through mode, not only did you just lose N * 256 mb of data that was never committed, you also may have corrupted the filesystem ---------------- you might wonder, how on earth does this ever work? and the answer is write barriers and journaling. normally your os handles a shitload of book-keeping to make sure that when you are operating in write-through mode to a single disk, even when you lose the last 256 mb of data written to the disk, it's still consistent all you lost was some time/data, not consistency that becomes much less easy to do in a raid setup. there are way more moving parts, and multiple caches, and the raid is not typically part of the filesystem logic
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:if cost is no object i can imagine no reason to ever use anything except the datacenter edition my thought about it was redundant services running. why run more than you need, when the stuff you don't need might go wrong?
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Father Jack posted:my thought about it was redundant services running. why run more than you need, when the stuff you don't need might go wrong? why would you run any extra services? don't install the stuff you don't need. don't need active directory? don't install it.
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pram posted:lol if you dont have a comprehensive disaster recovery plan in place for your 10tb of pornography
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the tl;dr of all this poo poo is
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:the tl;dr of all this poo poo is lmao no
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agreement acknowledgement + a new topic takes 9 minutes
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pram posted:at minimum you need a ZFS appliance, and a tape backup for offsite iron mountain storage for your personal media server you all are joking about zfs and poo poo but I’d like to present: Peak Grey Forums https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=2801557&perpage=40&pagenumber=530
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i bought one of those seagate boxes with a pair of redundant drives in it and it sits beside my router and mirrors what is on my microsoft onedrive account. works 4 me
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Sniep posted:you all are joking about zfs and poo poo but I’d like to present: Peak Grey Forums why am i not surprised schadenboner is o.p.
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:the write hole is massive okay, once again, this only matters for enterprise. its a loving htpc that occasionally gets media files written to it and is overwhelmingly doing reads. the risk of this failure is extremely small and the file that will fail to write and be corrupted will be the one you were actively writing to the system. and you will know this because THE loving POWER WENT OUT OR THE SYSTEM CRASHED. you are over-engineering to a pointless, stupid degree. and for all your weepy-weep about raid5 write holes, raid 1 has the same problem dipshit.
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don't quote storage stymie
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stymie is already storage stymie though
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I just keep all my files in a box in the closet
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Sagebrush posted:stymie is already storage stymie though redundant array of independent dickheads
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just use a bunch of single drives, plex shows it in a single interface anyways if you lose a drive just redownload your pirated poo poo, odds are you wont even want 90% of what you lost
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Jonny 290 posted:redundant array of independent dickheads hahaha
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Sagebrush posted:stymie is already storage stymie though i do have an ssd boot drive in the system, so i guess that makes me an enterprise user in stymie terms. perhaps should just hire a sys admin to deal with these tedious details while i concentrate on the high level stategy of listening to a loving mp3.
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i believe you mean using foobar to experience a 24/384 flac
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for gently caress sake just stick the server on a UPS, hook the USB into the server and tell it to gracefully autoshutdown on AC power jesus
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:why am i not surprised schadenboner is o.p. IDGI? I need something to do home-labbing on and the thread pretty well convinced me a separate box was a better solution than trying RAID on a desktop? 
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Sagebrush posted:i bought one of those seagate boxes with a pair of redundant drives in it and it sits beside my router and mirrors what is on my microsoft onedrive account. works 4 me nice! i didn't realize macos offers something similar now until recently so i can locally cache apps and icloud data for other devices
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