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| Joe Biden, the Inappropriate Toucher |
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18 | 1.46% |
| Bernie Sanders, the Hand Flailer |
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665 | 54.11% |
| Elizabeth Warren, the Plan Maker |
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319 | 25.96% |
| Kamala Harris, the Cop Lord |
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26 | 2.12% |
| Cory Booker, the Super Hero Wannabe |
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5 | 0.41% |
| Julian Castro, the Twin |
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5 | 0.41% |
| Kirsten Gillibrand, the Franken Killer |
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5 | 0.41% |
| Pete Buttigieg, the Troop Sociopath |
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17 | 1.38% |
| Robert Francis O'Rourke, the Fake Latino |
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3 | 0.24% |
| Jay Inslee, the Climate Alarmist |
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8 | 0.65% |
| Marianne Williamson, the Crystal Queen |
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86 | 7.00% |
| Tulsi Gabbard, the Muslim Hater |
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23 | 1.87% |
| Andrew Yang, the $1000 Fool |
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32 | 2.60% |
| Eric Swalwell, the Insurance Wife Guy |
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2 | 0.16% |
| Amy Klobuchar, the Comb Enthusiast |
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1 | 0.08% |
| Bill de Blasio, the NYPD Most Hated |
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4 | 0.33% |
| Tim Ryan, the Dope Face |
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3 | 0.24% |
| John Hickenlooper, the Also Ran |
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7 | 0.57% |
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Pembroke Fuse posted:Please stop equivocating bad poo poo. One terrible thing doesn't "balance out" another terrible thing.
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SKULL.GIF posted:My position is, and has been from the beginning, that I think Marianne contributes much more to the primary and the discussion around it than some loser like Hickenlooper or de Blasio or Booker does and I welcome her being in the primary -- explicitly and entirely because we don't loving have enough anti-imperialist voices in the primary, almost every single one of these candidates are bloodthirsty warmongers. Yes, I agree that Williamson is better than the failson empty suit centrist white men, which is funny, but doesn’t actually mean I like her. I wish Gravel was slightly younger and more obviously not just a puppet because I think he’d be much more interesting if he was, ya know, functional. Alternatively, it’s still tragic Barbara Lee endorsed Harris.  Edit: I consistently forget that Jay Inslee exists but I guess he would be my second choice...?
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Jul 18, 2019 21:39
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Halloween Jack posted:The US military is the leading global consumer of oil and producer of greenhouse gases You're going to have to spell out your point here because I don't disagree with this, and I haven't advocated for maintaining or increasing our military or military actions. If anything I've pointed out that a lack of understanding public health means an unwillingness to provide legitimate and meaningful aid directly or through responsible international organizations. Williamson might go on and on about love bombs and whatever, but she has no loving clue about how this stuff actually works. But I made a large response to you while you were posting so maybe wires were just crossed. mormonpartyboat posted:i guess its hard to be anti-imperialist when you're also arguing that we need to send the marines into central africa to vaccinate people What in the gently caress are you even talking about? See above and quit posting in bad faith. twodot posted:It's not that they are nothing, it's that those numbers are much smaller than the number of people directly killed by American imperialism. (Also the President has a ton more power concerning "Do we drop bombs on people?" versus "Do people contract measles in Madagascar?") The president has a lot of control over the State Department and how aid gets directed in terms of public health. The most obvious example of this is the "Mexico City" policy or the global gag rule that gets turned on or off based on who the president is. As far as "whataboutism" is concerned, the argument thrown in my face multiple times takes this form: "Well, anti-vaxx poo poo might be bad, but Warren's imperialism is so much worse", as though I'm supporting Warren. I'm not. The argument doesn't make any loving sense. I voted Sanders in 2016, I'm planning on voting for him again, so I don't understand how what Warren thinks is meaningful in the slightest nor some argument against my complaints about WIlliamson in particular or anti-science attitudes that seem to be tolerated in the left in general. Solkanar512 fucked around with this message at 21:45 on Jul 18, 2019 |
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Jul 18, 2019 21:41
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I'm also a little sad that Swalwell dropped out just when he was starting to be cool and good https://twitter.com/PoliticusSarah/status/1151252901127446528
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Jul 18, 2019 21:45
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Solkanar512 posted:Third time mentioning this. I guess 61,000 cases of measles in the DRC, 140,000 in Madagascar, 20,000 in Nigeria, 44,000 in Ukraine and 31,000 int he Philippines are just nothing then. Bombs explode once, diseases self-replicate. I can't believe I have to explain this to people but this is where we're at. War is a bigger cause of disease epidemics than crystal woo, if you have the background in public health that you claim you would know this.
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Jul 18, 2019 21:45
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Oh Snapple! posted:He's ignored because his dumb rear end couldn't even correctly beat his single issue drum when closing out the previous debate, instead opting for a dumb applause answer. Seriously that dumb fucker had one job which was stand behind the podium and say "Climate Change" when asked about global threats or the greatest issue facing us or whatever, and he couldn't even do that. You're polling at 1% idiot, don't start trying to broaden your base or whatever the gently caress.
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Jul 18, 2019 21:46
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Lightning Knight posted:Yes, I agree that Williamson is better than the failson empty suit centrist white men, which is funny, but doesn’t actually mean I like her. Her backing Kamala was ostensibly supposed to signal to Barbara Lee supporters... that you should also at least not openly hate Harris, since, you know, Barbara think she's be good for the job.
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Jul 18, 2019 21:47
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Chilichimp posted:Her backing Kamala was ostensibly supposed to signal to Barbara Lee supporters... that you should also at least not openly hate Harris, since, you know, Barbara think she's be good for the job. Yeah I mean it’s fairly standard machine politics stuff, alas.
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Jul 18, 2019 21:48
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Solkanar512 posted:As far as "whataboutism" is concerned, the argument thrown in my face multiple times takes this form: "Well, anti-vaxx poo poo might be bad, but Warren's imperialism is so much worse", as though I'm supporting Warren. I'm not. The argument doesn't make any loving sense. I voted Sanders in 2016, I'm planning on voting for him again, so I don't understand how what Warren thinks is meaningful in the slightest nor some argument against my complaints about WIlliamson in particular or anti-science attitudes that seem to be tolerated in the left in general.
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Jul 18, 2019 21:49
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VitalSigns posted:War is a bigger cause of disease epidemics than crystal woo, if you have the background in public health that you claim you would know this. ~shut the gently caress up vitalsigns~ (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Jul 18, 2019 21:49
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Lightning Knight posted:Yes, I agree that Williamson is better than the failson empty suit centrist white men, which is funny, but doesn’t actually mean I like her. Jay Inslee should only be looked at as an issue candidate. Dude doesn't even have a foreign policy page on his website.
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Jul 18, 2019 21:51
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VitalSigns posted:War is a bigger cause of disease epidemics than crystal woo, if you have the background in public health that you claim you would know this. I've pointed out this issue twice already, why are you so lazy? Solkanar512 posted:
How in the gently caress did you miss this? Solkanar512 posted:If you actually gave a poo poo about foreign lives our be backing Jay Inslee because the thing that’s already killing people is loving climate change. But no one brings him up because that would require some actual loving thought. And this as well? Why would you make this claim when we can all read these words? Quit arguing in bad faith. King of Solomon posted:Jay Inslee should only be looked at as an issue candidate. Dude doesn't even have a foreign policy page on his website. Agreed. Make him head of the EPA or Secretary of Energy or something like that depending on the available talent pool.
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Jul 18, 2019 21:53
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Honestly what is the obsession with picking a second choice anyway? You can only vote for one candidate.
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Jul 18, 2019 21:53
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Solkanar512 posted:I've pointed out this issue twice already, why are you so lazy?
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Jul 18, 2019 21:55
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Marianne Williamson reminds me of that substitute teacher I had a crush on in High School. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Jul 18, 2019 21:59
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twodot posted:It's tricky because you are simultaneously saying "Deaths are caused by war" and "The anti-war candidate wouldn't know how to prevent those deaths that are caused by wars" so your brand isn't really clear. You'd have a better time if you were more honest and complete about addressing my arguments rather than performing a lazy strawman act.
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Jul 18, 2019 22:00
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WampaLord posted:Honestly what is the obsession with picking a second choice anyway? because otherwise we just close thread vote bernie problem solved
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Jul 18, 2019 22:01
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Solkanar512 posted:You'd have a better time if you were more honest and complete about addressing my arguments rather than performing a lazy strawman act. You want a direct response? Here's mine: on the whole Marianne's vaccine skepticism doesn't bother me as much because we have plenty of advocates for public vaccination. We do not have sufficient advocates against imperialism. In a hypothetical primary where everyone in the field was anti-imperialist, I would be arguing for Marianne to be disqualified from the primary on grounds of her antivax stances and her history of New Age healing schlock. Unfortunately, this primary does not exist.
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Jul 18, 2019 22:02
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Halloween Jack posted:I was only pointing out that American liberals love the national security state and don't give a poo poo about the imperial murder machine. But hey, feel free to miss the point and go on a weird tear. Solkanar seems like a nice person and I don't want them to have to go it alone. Yelling "but imperialism" anytime someone brings up the fact that Williamson's grifter views have (by association, not personally) caused mass outbreaks and death is the definition of missing the point. Is she better than Hickenlooper, Delaney, Kloubuchar and many of the rest? Yes, but only because the bar is so low that even expressing an anti-war sentiment places her an angstrom above them... not because she's in any way a viable or even remotely decent human being.
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Jul 18, 2019 22:03
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Solkanar512 posted:much of that harm is caused not by the immediate bombing, but the destruction of infrastructure that leads to preventable illnesses running rampant and treatable illnesses becoming deadly. quote:she would be in no way capable of preventing those deaths or understanding how to prevent them in the first place.
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Jul 18, 2019 22:04
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twodot posted:It's tricky because you are simultaneously saying "Deaths are caused by war" and "The anti-war candidate wouldn't know how to prevent those deaths that are caused by wars" so your brand isn't really clear. Voting for the joke anti-war candidate doesn't mean there won't be wars.
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Jul 18, 2019 22:09
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Solkanar512 posted:You're going to have to spell out your point here because I don't disagree with this, and I haven't advocated for maintaining or increasing our military or military actions. If anything I've pointed out that a lack of understanding public health means an unwillingness to provide legitimate and meaningful aid directly or through responsible international organizations. Williamson might go on and on about love bombs and whatever, but she has no loving clue about how this stuff actually works.
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Jul 18, 2019 22:12
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Lightning Knight posted:More accurately, the same discussion, with people writing more and more elaborate variations of “no, it’s bad to like problematic tired memes!” versus “actually problematic tired memes are fine leave us alone” in increasingly pretentious language. The way she manhandled Dave Rubin on the Rubin Report automatically earned her some of my respect. Not enough to vote for her, but she's way more intelligent than she comes off as.
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Jul 18, 2019 22:12
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Ubiquitous_ posted:The way she manhandled Dave Rubin on the Rubin Report automatically earned her some of my respect. Not enough to vote for her, but she's way more intelligent than she comes off as. Not meaning any insult to her, but "capable of outsmarting Dave Rubin" is a pretty low bar to clear.
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Jul 18, 2019 22:20
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Captain_Maclaine posted:Not meaning any insult to her, but "capable of outsmarting Dave Rubin" is a pretty low bar to clear. this is true but most of the candidates would be treating him like he deserved respect. It's not so much 'she's smarter than Dave Rubin', since, yea, we'd be voting for a snail if that was the line, it's that she's one of the few to deal with these freaks by just going 'are you loving stupid?' Also https://twitter.com/MikeDrucker/status/1151703921850769408 she's gonna rip Corey Booker's skin off in her debate I guess.
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Jul 18, 2019 22:22
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Solkanar512 posted:See above and quit posting in bad faith. blaming a california crystalline dolphin medium for measles deaths in madagascar was good faith? i mean even setting aside the personally directed anger, you're arguing that allowing hundreds of thousands to die of disease in places that america claims no jurisdiction is a worse american evil than america purposefully going to places where it has no jurisdiction and wantonly murdering millions with bombs and bullets, because ~germs spread~ if you're not gimmick posting, then please, get therapy
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Jul 18, 2019 22:34
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SKULL.GIF posted:You want a direct response? Here's mine: on the whole Marianne's vaccine skepticism doesn't bother me as much because we have plenty of advocates for public vaccination. We do not have sufficient advocates against imperialism. she actually clarified her position so she's not anti-vax so its a mischaracterization but hey people want to compare her to the capitalist that wants to hermetically seal women inside the maternity wards of a now defunct hospital for failing to pop out fully intact babies out of their vaginas all marianne needs to do is get approval from president bernie through an EO to expand the white house to include a crystal madrassa where she can be inaugurated by Oprah as the spiritual supreme leader of America Lightning Knight posted:Yes, I agree that Williamson is better than the failson empty suit centrist white men, which is funny, but doesn’t actually mean I like her. coward, we have enough adults in the room thank u so u dont have to performatively express rationality , just learn to love and be open mormonpartyboat posted:blaming a california crystalline dolphin medium for measles deaths in madagascar was good faith? see you in a week friend, same as me
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Jul 18, 2019 22:34
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gohmak posted:Federal Jobs Guarantee
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Ubiquitous_ posted:The way she manhandled Dave Rubin on the Rubin Report automatically earned her some of my respect. Not enough to vote for her, but she's way more intelligent than she comes off as. I hate her more just for going ON "The Rubin Report".
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Jul 18, 2019 22:37
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Solkanar512 posted:I've pointed out this issue twice already, why are you so lazy? My bad, I was assuming coherency in your position. If you're just arguing "yes the pro war candidates are openly running on killing more people than Box Wine Lady, but she could be lying, so pro-war is better" then your position is such a confused mess there's nothing to say. Like, if it makes you angry that the person advocating the second least amount of death is a psychic grifter, good it should make you angry, but the logical target of that anger ought to be the 20 other mass murdering imperialists on the debate stage, and not forumsposters pointing this out VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 22:43 on Jul 18, 2019 |
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Jul 18, 2019 22:39
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Lightning Knight posted:I don’t think I’d vote for Gravel in the primary but I donated a dollar to his campaign in the hopes he’d get onto the stage and accomplish something rhetorically given his history, which I think is materially better than Williamson. As I said, I don’t have a second choice after Bernie and I live in a solid red state now so I don’t really need to have one. even if you're just looking at overton window movement, gravel is only getting circulation in the irony leftist podcast circuit because its a couple idiot teens trying an aesthetic out before joining the military to murder foreigners. williamson is loving weird enough that people outside the usual politics circles are becoming aware of her like even her antivaxx poo poo is weird, because she's said stuff like she agrees that vaccines help stave off disease, but not because it's medicine. that they help stave off disease because the placebo effect is real and also is the way god expresses love for you, so if you truly believe in and pray for the thing that has no scientific medical value you will be psychically vaccinated it owns
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Jul 18, 2019 22:42
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mormonpartyboat posted:even if you're just looking at overton window movement, gravel is only getting circulation in the irony leftist podcast circuit because its a couple idiot teens trying an aesthetic out before joining the military to murder foreigners. not a lot of people realize that this is a pretty coherent viewpoint in terms of mental health and wellbeing, just because its "different" but neolibs gonna neolib https://charlierose.com/videos/14918
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Jul 18, 2019 22:46
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Lastgirl posted:see you in a week friend, same as me media vita in morte sumus~
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mormonpartyboat posted:media vita in morte sumus~ sic transit gloria mundi~ این نیز بگذرد Lastgirl fucked around with this message at 22:54 on Jul 18, 2019 |
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Jul 18, 2019 22:50
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Chilichimp posted:I hate her more just for going ON "The Rubin Report". Bro how do you pass up the opportunity to make Dave Rubin look like a complete rear end of himself on his own show
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Jul 18, 2019 22:54
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twodot posted:Again, I'm not here to say Gravel is bad, he is, in fact, good. But, today, in the year two thousand and nineteen, he's also a retired 89 year old who didn't even manage to sneak into the top 20 candidates for this primary, so I'd like to hear an explanation on how he is more of a real candidate than Williamson, who did actually manage to sneak into the top 20 candidates of this primary. Like if the argument here is "Williamson is a joke candidate who is drastically out performing the very real candidacy of Gravel" that seems like not a great argument in favor of Gravel. I mean, there's a pretty big difference in that Gravel is overall actually good, while Williamson is still bad, even if she might not be worse than almost all the other candidates. Williamson serves a purpose because Gravel isn't in the debates and she has zero chance of actually winning, but Gravel being in the debates would completely remove any value she potentially adds to the equation. One thing I'll say about Williamson is that the positive comments about her are giving me strong "people jumping on the Avenatti and Buttigieg bandwagons" vibes. I don't think she's an actual problem or anything, and I think the people getting upset about her have deeply distorted priorities, but don't forget that even her kinda anti-imperialist language is vague and not nearly as specific and reliable as, say, Gravel's. I wouldn't trust her to actually cut back on US imperialism if, by some miracle, she were elected.
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Jul 18, 2019 22:59
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Ytlaya posted:I mean, there's a pretty big difference in that Gravel is overall actually good, while Williamson is still bad, even if she might not be worse than almost all the other candidates. Williamson serves a purpose because Gravel isn't in the debates and she has zero chance of actually winning, but Gravel being in the debates would completely remove any value she potentially adds to the equation.
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Jul 18, 2019 23:02
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Ytlaya posted:the positive comments about her are giving me strong "people jumping on the Avenatti and Buttigieg bandwagons" vibes. I don't think she's an actual problem or anything, and I think the people getting upset about her have deeply distorted priorities, but don't forget that even her kinda anti-imperialist language is vague and not nearly as specific and reliable as, say, Gravel's. I wouldn't trust her to actually cut back on US imperialism if, by some miracle, she were elected. it was always ironic and tongue in cheek wrt to buttigieg and avenatti, don't overthink it and take it at face value on the only space that isn't allowed to have comedy on a comedy forum a williamson presidency is never going to happen, come on don't be facile
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Jul 18, 2019 23:04
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i would blame CIA fronts for vaccine deaths in the 3rd world before I blamed oprah's woowoo seller of course, that gets in the way of saying the war machine isn't as deadly as antivaxxers so I guess we're just gonna pretend that's not another part of said war machine
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