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"Normal maps are cheating" I have no reason to doubt croberts would be that dense, but can you provide a source/quote on that for our enjoyment?
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Bofast posted:If you like archery and/or stealth, I would recommend trying to get a hold of the Paris Prime bow. Then mod it to always crit and to penetrate doors (and other cover) and watch arrows send enemy ragdolls flying across the room and get nailed to the opposite wall without anyone hearing you shoot. Meanwhile if you like archery and NOT stealth, I would recommend the Lenz, which launches sticks of dynamite that freeze enemies before exploding.
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Jul 17, 2019 14:05
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The lenz is also great if you like respawning.
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Jul 17, 2019 14:09
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Fojar38 posted:tbh i just want elite dangerous but the ability to walk around on my ship and space stations because slow and boring is a plus for me in science fiction Some dude modeled a walk around and interior of the Sidewinder. It was loving rad, and I hope that ED does at least that. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfGfBX2gj2g
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Bronze Fonz posted:"Normal maps are cheating" 2016: atxsperg posted:another tidbit. Select bits from a resignation letter: quote:When I started here, I was astounded to learn that no one was able to tell me the budget for character assets. People seemed to be operating under the mantra “It’s CryEngine, the budget is irrelevant” This attitude for game art production is suicide in a bottle. This apparently is still a difficult question to answer. In the absence of budget, Roberts judges all game assets against his own imagination or an asset in another game. Back to 2016: quote:normals maps are spoken of in soft whispers, if croberts hears that they are used the asset immediately gets put into the redo pile, its no longer up to standards. quote:someone once told him normal maps are how you cheat showing detail without using real geometry. there is no cheating in the crisverse. Virtual Captain fucked around with this message at 16:36 on Jul 17, 2019 |
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Jul 17, 2019 16:28
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Ghost Leviathan posted:You can technically do that in Star Trek Online? Gonna second this, STO is pretty fun. Space combat is rad, ground combat is a trashfire but luckily you don't have to do too much of it. I put 50ish hours into it a few years ago, all completely for free.
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Jul 17, 2019 20:33
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Fashionable Jorts posted:Gonna second this, STO is pretty fun. Space combat is rad, ground combat is a trashfire but luckily you don't have to do too much of it. I put 50ish hours into it a few years ago, all completely for free. Yeah, that space combat is good.
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Jul 17, 2019 21:40
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Bofast posted:Yeah, that space combat is good. Yeah, it's like a less complicated video game form of Star Fleet Battle Manual
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Jul 17, 2019 21:55
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Virtual Captain posted:2016: This is... breathtakingly stupid. You need budgets to handle your average target consumer's machine. The higher the requirements, the fewer the people that can buy it. And if you can use a normal map to save on geometry, why the hell not? Why would you throw in extra geometry, extra shader calculations, slowing down the machine, if the user is never going to notice the details? croberts reeks of 'idea man' that plagues the industry. People need to get whatever funding they can get back. This thing is loving vaporware. Explosionface posted:Yeah, it's like a less complicated video game form of Star Fleet Battle Manual Oh! Back in the day, they had Star Trek: Starfleet Command, which was built off of the Battle Manual. Loved that game. It's ancient now, but was great for its time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dFev3XSNQc
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Jul 17, 2019 22:29
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Rad-daddio posted:It's a lot better than it used to be, but yes the content is sort of yawn inducing and it doesn't make up for the fact that they sort of hosed everyone back in 2016. Jesus Christ, gamers are so loving pathetic. just try to read this poo poo without losing all respect for the author.
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Jul 17, 2019 22:34
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The funny thing about "normal maps are cheating, you need real geometry" is that normal maps are generated by producing a high detail model with the geometry Croberts demands, and then projecting the geometry onto a low poly model that can be efficiently used in a game as a set of instructions on how to deform textures. So Croberts is basically yelling at the artists for taking the extra step of making the game optimized instead of just forcing the players to render redundantly detailed models.
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Jul 17, 2019 22:38
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No Man's Sky is good if you are like me and are a very boring person who is easily distracted by neat looking things
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Jul 17, 2019 22:39
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steinrokkan posted:The funny thing about "normal maps are cheating, you need real geometry" is that normal maps are generated by producing a high detail model with the geometry Croberts demands, and then projecting the geometry onto a low poly model that can be efficiently used in a game as a set of instructions on how to deform textures. So Croberts is basically yelling at the artists for taking the extra step of making the game optimized instead of just forcing the players to render redundantly detailed models. Exactly! Cool thing is you can also paint normal maps onto a flat surface for things like bolts, vents, scratches and whatnot in height-map style, then convert them into tangent space normal maps through a whole variety of programs. Essentially, croberts is a dumb dumb and should let his artists make proper game art instead of 'his vision' or whatever.
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Jul 17, 2019 23:00
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steinrokkan posted:The funny thing about "normal maps are cheating, you need real geometry" is that normal maps are generated by producing a high detail model with the geometry Croberts demands, and then projecting the geometry onto a low poly model that can be efficiently used in a game as a set of instructions on how to deform textures. So Croberts is basically yelling at the artists for taking the extra step of making the game optimized instead of just forcing the players to render redundantly detailed models. Also, no matter how detailed the model is it still needs a normal map for the lighting and shaders to work. (Just way worse since the poly count is higher than it needs to be.)
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Jul 17, 2019 23:21
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What are you even paying an artist for if they aren't creating a million tiny bumps on a model that nobody's ever going to look at or care about by hand for that perfect hand-crafted look? This is a high-class game you've gotta make this poo poo bespoke, not just slap on a texture that looks like bumps like a pleb.
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Jul 18, 2019 00:16
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I gotta think Chris finally took a hint about normal maps; but they still take 6months-to-6years to implement a basic bitch 'ok this ship can fly and shoot guns but nothing else' asset into the executable so I dunno lol
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Jul 18, 2019 03:34
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steinrokkan posted:Jesus Christ, gamers are so loving pathetic. just try to read this poo poo without losing all respect for the author. You sure seem worked up about how other people spend their free time.
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Jul 18, 2019 21:58
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Calling stuff like normal maps "cheating" is inherently stupid because all modern game engines are basically just a large collection of smoke-and-mirrors tricks. Like you could literally list off the features added with each iteration of DirectX and they'd all be cheats by Roberts' definition. Until all lighting is fully ray traced and all geometry is calculated down to the molecular level, you're "cheating" to make things appear the way they do.
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Jul 18, 2019 22:21
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It's almost like he's obstructing things on purpose so they never have to release a game. He's always gotta be tightening up the graphics on level 2.
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Jul 18, 2019 22:30
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Devils Affricate posted:Calling stuff like normal maps "cheating" is inherently stupid because all modern game engines are basically just a large collection of smoke-and-mirrors tricks. Like you could literally list off the features added with each iteration of DirectX and they'd all be cheats by Roberts' definition. Until all lighting is fully ray traced and all geometry is calculated down to the molecular level, you're "cheating" to make things appear the way they do. Good job, with this post you have just caused Star Citizen to be delayed for another 10 years while Chris tries to make the junior developers rewrite the engine to work directly against the hardware without any abstraction layers or APIs whatsoever.
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Jul 18, 2019 22:35
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Bofast posted:Good job, with this post you have just caused Star Citizen to be delayed for another 10 years while Chris tries to make the junior developers rewrite the engine to work directly against the hardware without any abstraction layers or APIs whatsoever. Using windows for operating system support is cheating. Star Citizen must BE the operating system.
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Jul 19, 2019 07:00
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Krycek posted:Using windows for operating system support is cheating. Star Citizen must BE the operating system. Chris Roberts's Desktop Citizen
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Jul 19, 2019 07:10
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soy posted:it's no joke, IRL hobbies actually make you healthy, aren't bound by stupid shithead devs, are all fully multiplayer at massive scale I apologise if you're differently abled but I don't know what's stopping you from having multiple hobbies, or at minimum , a better attitude
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Statutory Ape posted:I apologise if you're differently abled but I don't know what's stopping you from having multiple hobbies, or at minimum , a better attitude Protestant work ethic.
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Jul 19, 2019 11:28
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Stimperial work ethic.
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Jul 19, 2019 11:47
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people were worried that gaming wired kids' brains to kill, instead it just made them terminally defensive
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Jul 19, 2019 12:35
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Its like croberts is a genius on one spectrum and a complete retard at the exact same time.
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Jul 19, 2019 14:02
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Burns posted:Its like croberts is
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Jul 19, 2019 14:17
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on what spectrum is he a genius?
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Jul 19, 2019 14:18
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I think he's just dragging it out to make money. I imagine that in the world of fraud, the dumber you look the better.
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Jul 19, 2019 14:27
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he's a big dummy irl and online
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Jul 19, 2019 14:37
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Oh man, this thread has been run to catch up on! I only make SC jokes to my discord buddies that I play Rocket League with, but there's always a guy or two who gets butthurt. "You didn't know it's playable?" *scoffs* *dies in elevator for no reason*
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Jul 19, 2019 14:43
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Wow how did u afford the scoff module
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Burns posted:Its like croberts is a genius on one spectrum and a complete retard at the exact same time. No normal person, having seen him talk, having read what he’s written, and looking at his life as a whole would conclude Christ Robots was a genius on any spectrum whatsoever (nor do I think he’s been using Rick Sanchez’s spare microscope): he’s just painfully inadequate in all ways, and tries to cover it up with industrial grade hubris.
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Rinkles posted:on what spectrum is he a genius? The pitchman/ideas man spectrum. If you want him to show up and get everyone excited about something because of his 100% sincere belief in it so that he gets paid. Nevermind that the people pay him because they are stupid, and he is sincere because he is either stupid or a liar
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Jul 19, 2019 14:53
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Rinkles posted:on what spectrum is he a genius? https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC
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Jul 19, 2019 15:04
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I consider him being able to milk this for 7 or 8 years now as a genius move.
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Jul 19, 2019 15:15
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Krycek posted:Using windows for operating system support is cheating. Star Citizen must BE the operating system. Wasn't it B'Tak who wanted CIG to ensure that people could not use Discord or other forms of external communication while playing Star Citizen? This would probably make him happy.
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Burns posted:I consider him being able to milk this for 7 or 8 years now as a genius move. Yeah I mean if you can legally make a sizable fraction of a billion dollars for not releasing a not product 🤷
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Yeah i sure wish i could do that.
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