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Mister Speaker posted:I'm nearing the end of CoD, and there's a repeating passage I think is a typo... This is super weird: My early 80's copy doesn't have this typo. Is this a digital version?
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E: no that's a typo nevermind
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Gaj posted:Two things because I cant find my copy of Dune so I can re-read it. quote:In the movie Potato Idaho is killed by some weird bullet which can seemingly bore through his shield. Is this in the book and/or explained?
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Temaukel posted:My early 80's copy doesn't have this typo. Is this a digital version? Nope, small grey softcover with a small image of two figures in the desert approaching a city. If I'm reading the publishing notes correctly, it was printed in 1987. Gaj posted:In the movie Potato Idaho is killed by some weird bullet which can seemingly bore through his shield. Is this in the book and/or explained? Definitely not in the book. IIRC, his death is only described later, and he apparently took a fuckload of Sardaukar with him.
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Gaj posted:In the movie Potato Idaho is killed by some weird bullet which can seemingly bore through his shield. Is this in the book and/or explained? It is not in the book, that is a Lynch thing. It’s a hunter-seeker, presumably used for remote assassination and I guess a means to easily kill shielded enemies. It has a property of variable velocity so it can slow down. That’s how it was able to pass through the shield.
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Jul 19, 2019 12:17
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In Children of Dune Faraden states that a Sardukar reported that it took 19 Sardukar to bring down Duncan Idaho. 19 of the Duniverses second-best fighters.
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Jul 19, 2019 13:47
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We'd expect nothing less of a 92nd-level swordmaster of the 10th school of Ginaz. What's that? All that was prequel nonsense? MY Duncan Idaho was just a well-trained badass and not a hyper ninja?
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D. Ebdrup posted:In Children of Dune Faraden states that a Sardukar reported that it took 19 Sardukar to bring down Duncan Idaho. 19 of the Duniverses second-best fighters. They didn't all die, but yeah he took down half a squad of Sardukar while defending a doorway. Pretty boss. And then he slapped Stilgar. Even bosser.
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I want a short story set during Muad'Dib's Jihad of two Fremen soldiers trying to sneak onto Caladan to visit pilgrimage sites and/or bang some Caladanese girls, despite, the NO FREMEN rule Jessica instated to avoid them loving up her planet. It would involve them needing to walk with rhythm and to somehow wash themselves hard enough to conceal their visible stink lines. Or really, anything about Fremen visiting other planets in the beginning of Paul's Empire. He made a really cool, weird world, but then we never see anything outside of palaces or stinky desert gently caress-caves. Or at least, not until Heretics, and even then we're already in Old Horny Frank mode, and from the viewpoint of Space Dominatrix Murbella and Super Saiyan Miles Teg. Liquid Dinosaur fucked around with this message at 16:10 on Jul 19, 2019 |
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Jul 19, 2019 15:42
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There was very brief part like that in Dune Messiah. An old Fremen talks about seeing the ocean for the first time while fighting on another planet IIRC.
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Jul 19, 2019 16:07
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Fremen: "This water is making me very hydrated!"
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Gaj posted:In the movie Potato Idaho is killed by some weird bullet which can seemingly bore through his shield. Is this in the book and/or explained? ilovebeersooomuch posted:It is not in the book, that is a Lynch thing. It’s a hunter-seeker, presumably used for remote assassination and I guess a means to easily kill shielded enemies. It has a property of variable velocity so it can slow down. That’s how it was able to pass through the shield. I don't think it was a hunter-seeker, I think it was meant to be a slow-pellet stunner, briefly mentioned in the book as a projectile weapon which could penetrate shields.
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Joe Chill posted:There was very brief part like that in Dune Messiah. An old Fremen talks about seeing the ocean for the first time while fighting on another planet IIRC.
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He was also surprised that the saltwater didn't taste good.
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Pham Nuwen posted:I don't think it was a hunter-seeker, I think it was meant to be a slow-pellet stunner, briefly mentioned in the book as a projectile weapon which could penetrate shields. Yeah, it could be a stunner but the projectile appears to be identical to a hunter-seeker in the movie. Maybe this is just coincidence?
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Jul 19, 2019 17:28
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ilovebeersooomuch posted:Yeah, it could be a stunner but the projectile appears to be identical to a hunter-seeker in the movie. Maybe this is just coincidence? Very close but it doesn't seem to be quite identical. You barely get a glimpse of it in the Duncan scene:  But I don't see any of the brass parts that are clearly visible at the back of the hunter-seeker: 
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Jul 19, 2019 17:46
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Pham Nuwen posted:Very close but it doesn't seem to be quite identical. You barely get a glimpse of it in the Duncan scene: I was looking all over for an image after I posted to see if I was remembering correctly and welp, wrong again
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Pham Nuwen posted:Very close but it doesn't seem to be quite identical. You barely get a glimpse of it in the Duncan scene: That looks more like like the bolt Yueh hit the Duke with.
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I ordered a hardcover copy of Children to read, I hate the tiny paperbacks. Went ahead and ordered Chapterhouse and Heretics, which I've never read. Gonna just plow all the way through
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Are we still all pretending the Brian-involved movie will somehow not be a steaming pile of ultraspice?
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Pham Nuwen posted:Very close but it doesn't seem to be quite identical. You barely get a glimpse of it in the Duncan scene: Prop designer had 20 minutes that day and took the brass bits off.
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Schadenboner posted:Are we still all pretending the Brian-involved movie will somehow not be a steaming pile of ultraspice? Villeneuve hasnt made a bad movie yet imo
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So I’m starting to re-(re-re-re-re-)listen to Dune and I guess I never thought about it, but HGM telling Paul to be silent after he put his hand in her box was contrary to the rules as laid out by her previously (she said all he had to do was keep his hand in her box, there was no limitation on talking). What the gently caress, Frank?  E: also, why: “He thought he could feel skin curling black on that agonized hand”? Why not just: “He could feel skin curling black on that agonized hand? Schadenboner fucked around with this message at 01:26 on Jul 20, 2019 |
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My sincere hope is that failson is just hyping up his own involvement for personal marketing and branding reasons and is actually not allowed to touch anything. If he wasn't so stupid and hadn't bought into his own bullshit so much, I'd say he was hyping it up while standing aside to let Villeneuve make a great movie, which would be win-win for him but, well...
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Schadenboner posted:So I’m starting to re-(re-re-re-re-)listen to Dune and I guess I never thought about it, but HGM telling Paul to be silent after he put his hand in her box was contrary to the rules as laid out by her previously (she said all he had to do was keep his hand in her box, there was no limitation on talking). I'd actually stick up for "he thought he could feel" even if it does not match current trends in writing, because it emphasizes the intellectual poo poo that is pretty big in Dune.
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Nessus posted:I'd actually stick up for "he thought he could feel" even if it does not match current trends in writing, because it emphasizes the intellectual poo poo that is pretty big in Dune. Especially to emphasize the budding extraordinary beyond-human mental comprehension that Paul has.
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Zopotantor posted:That looks more like like the bolt Yueh hit the Duke with. That is true, it does. And that would be in keeping with a maula pistol firing a blade or dart. . The thing that gave me the impression it would be a hunter-seeker was that it changed its speed on reaching proximity of Idaho's shield and I didn't think a stunner could do that - or a maula pistol either. Maybe I'm reading too much into it. I honestly don't know when to try and puzzle something out or just punt because, eh, it's a freaking movie.
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Riot Bimbo posted:Villeneuve hasnt made a bad movie yet imo Yeah but look at the source material.... I'm not emotionally invested in the HBO series so if it is entertaining, I'll be pleasantly surprised. If not, I'm not going to be disappointed.
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Schadenboner posted:Are we still all pretending the Brian-involved movie will somehow not be a steaming pile of ultraspice? @duneauthor having mild producer involvement is inevitable because he runs the estate, so this metric is bunk. Hell, even the awesome Folio Society version of Dune has an afterward written by @duneauthor Riot Bimbo posted:Villeneuve hasnt made a bad movie yet imo WORD. ilovebeersooomuch posted:I was looking all over for an image after I posted to see if I was remembering correctly and welp, wrong again You are forgiven for mistaking one unimaginative metal cylinder for another unimaginative metal cylinder in a movie replete unimaginative metal cylinders.
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the bene gesserit deny music but are constantly looking at van gogh paintings starry night is a-ok but gently caress YOU clair de lune makes sense
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Pimblor posted:the bene gesserit deny music but are constantly looking at van gogh paintings piano? what the gently caress... do you know how loving hard it is to call a piano tuner Master Scytale? Goddamn those fucks never show up on the Sunday you need them. Powindah loving assholes.
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I'm pretty sure the Pain box is a BG thing as a final test of their training? Since Jessica had a boy instead I think mother BG was both testing the kid and punishing Jessica. That's how I assumed it anyways. /shrug Also the pain is all imaginary which may be why he used the "thought he could feel" etc, I don't think it was a open face microwave lol
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Schadenboner posted:So I’m starting to re-(re-re-re-re-)listen to Dune and I guess I never thought about it, but HGM telling Paul to be silent after he put his hand in her box was contrary to the rules as laid out by her previously (she said all he had to do was keep his hand in her box, there was no limitation on talking). BlankSystemDaemon fucked around with this message at 09:03 on Jul 20, 2019 |
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Jul 20, 2019 08:54
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Dune: The XXX Parody will be interesting. "Put your dick in the box."
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D. Ebdrup posted:The whole point is that the pain he feels isn't real; the painbox is just making use of the thermal grill illusion which is a thing that's been known about since the 1890s - a maker, pun fully intended, started building one in 2015 and documented it in a three-parter. Unfortunately he hasn't yet finished it, but it's been used in science too, so it's a well-understood principle at least. I think it's more than that.
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Halloween Jack posted:He was also surprised that the saltwater didn't taste good. IIRC it's mentioned the Fremen drank a whole bunch of seawater because of the sheer novelty of it and didn't understand why it didn't taste good, basically. Kinda tempered by the implication the Fremen did a bunch of war crimes and the ones that didn't come back basically became the colonial overclass on conquered planets.
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D. Ebdrup posted:The whole point is that the pain he feels isn't real; the painbox is just making use of the thermal grill illusion which is a thing that's been known about since the 1890s - a maker, pun fully intended, started building one in 2015 and documented it in a three-parter. Unfortunately he hasn't yet finished it, but it's been used in science too, so it's a well-understood principle at least. that's interesting, though i don't know there's much point in linking dune weirdo science to existing developments.
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Riot Bimbo posted:Firstly, You are right on the loving money, Riot Bimbo. I've read all 6 of Frank's originals (several times) and they are everything you might want in sci-fi and more. Bradbury did some awesome storytelling with Martian Chronicles. Asimov did a lot of political and social structuring with the robots and the empire and the foundation. Heinlein was way overrated. But nobody did anything like Herbert.
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b mad at me posted:Heinlein was way overrated. I also like all the other stuff he wrote, but I realize it's not as universally appealing. Let's be honest: Some of it is also rather problematic - but it is possible to look past it. Also, the more I'm seeing of what Franks Failson and what he's producing, the less I think he found any notes at all - does anyone know if there's any proof other than their word for it?
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I read all of Brian's books up to "Dune 7" and found them stock and predictable but not terribly offensive. The Butlerian Jihad was really weak compared to the "man vs thinking machines" idea from the encyclopedia and it was stupidly predictable that it was the origin for everything in the Dune universe. In the end, I saw it in the same light I viewed nearly all Star Wars expanded universe stories: entertaining popcorn stories written by those with considerably less talent than the original author. But 'Dune 7" was so bad that it retroactively turned me off all of Brian's previous Dune work. Just complete poo poo. There's no loving way Frank's notes on his death bed described that crap that would give fan fiction a bad name. No loving way.
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