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Ola posted:Hmm! Very interesting. I bet it's limited on power output though and that's why they've added a supercapacitor for acceleration bursts. I would guess that's the case. It would be REALLY interesting to get longevity curves on those batteries. This is precisely the right-sized car to replace my Echo too. Wonder if they sell them off in the USA.
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Speaking of the car sharing, apparently ReachNow (the BMW service) just announced they're shutting down in about 10 hours. It's unclear if they'll restart under the car2go brand or what as the website isn't working. edit: Not shut down in 10 hours, immediately, they're kind of pulling a WOW Air although allowing people to complete their trips. Kia Soul Enthusias fucked around with this message at 22:26 on Jul 17, 2019 |
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Are the US sharing schemes operating like a typical startup business, are they trying to be the next AirBnB or something? The Norwegian one is a bit typical Scandi-socialist-vibe and operates like a co-op. On one hand I think that helps promote some pragmatic, practical solutions, on the other hand they certainly aren't ordering their own cars with new battery tech. Anyway, did 500 km today in a rented gen 1 Kia Soul, including a 1300 m climb. 7-8 hours of driving and, according to the apps, 1h28m of charging in four stops. I could have made fewer, but I tried to be clever and charge when it fit the situation. In the beginning for instance, it was early morning and I had finished my coffee so I wanted some more coffee but also needed to pee. So I stopped at a fast charging spot and charged for 12 mins while visiting the respective liquid stations. It's the longest I've driven in one day in those early sub-30 kWh cars. A bit hard even in EV-happy Norway to be completely nonchalant about it, I had to wait 50 minutes for a dick who left his e-Golf way past charging stopped on the single fast charger, then subsequently made some others wait for 15 minutes while I was being the dick. But charging in Eidfjord was sweet. A Tesla Supercharger station next to some CHAdeMO/CCS combineds, two of them with 75 and 150 kW CCS outlets, one and one future one with the possibility for trailer/camper users to drive through. And Eidfjord is a big hydroelectric village as well:  It really is the classic Norwegian industrial village. It's at the inner end of a fjord (as the name subtly suggests), surrounded by mountains from which kWhs pour down. And the center, a small park with a pelton turbine wheel displayed as sculpture art.  That pelton runner is the biggest in the world according to the plaque, I assume next to its still operating brethren at the Sima powerplant. 5 m diameter, 26 tons. After 30 000 hours of service, producing the best part of 9 TWh, it threw a paddle at 300 rpm.  I bet that rattled some fillings. I got welded on for display and put up. What a great place for a charging spot.  Didn't rush the drive, went to see some free range hydro as well! While 1h28m might seem a lot in sum, I never felt like I was waiting for the charge to finish. The longest was 38 minutes, which I spent taking pictures of Eidfjord, eating some buns and doing some liquid admin. I could easily go on a vacation in a Kia Soul, but it was a great day for it, in a great place to do it. Perhaps not so easy elsewhere, yet.
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Ola posted:Are the US sharing schemes operating like a typical startup business, are they trying to be the next AirBnB or something? The Norwegian one is a bit typical Scandi-socialist-vibe and operates like a co-op. On one hand I think that helps promote some pragmatic, practical solutions, on the other hand they certainly aren't ordering their own cars with new battery tech. Can only speak to Canada, but Montreal and Vancouver have both had strong lefty car share co-op communities since the 90s, many of which are still operating today. Some have tried to evolve and compete with the slick app based corporate services with varying degrees of success, and some are still just a handful of aging hippies booking cars on their Usenet group or whatever.
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Ola posted:Hmm! Very interesting. ...why they've added a supercapacitor for acceleration bursts.
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ilkhan posted:Which is a pretty good idea and something I'd expect pretty soon from Tesla. Only if the battery pack is not delivering enough power. The P100D is already pushing the limits of traction on street sporty tires. That's why the had the idea about pneumatic thrusters on the Roadster 2.0. Unfortunately, pushing that 0-60 number might be steering the R&D money more than making the simple battery cheaper or better to make, or lighter, or etc etc. E: I guess I am actually agreeing with you, but reluctantly so.
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Like you say, it can help give the smaller packs the same performance as the larger ones. I don't think the roadster will need the supercaps, but it's a great way to increase current without increasing cell count when you aren't already traction limited.
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New Leafs are down to $11.6k in my area, tempted to get another one after my 2017 has gone 50k miles with no bars lost and zero service visits. It's no Tesla, but hey, new car for under $12k that's cheap as poo poo to operate.
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If you are tired of the sluggish acceleration and performance of your Tesla P100D, there's a car for you: https://newatlas.com/lotus-evija-2000hp-electric-hypercar/60618/ Two thousand horsepower, folks. Wrap your thinking gear around that. The vast majority of people on this planet never get to drive a car with a quarter of that power. And make no mistake, electric horsepower always feels much faster than gasoline horsepower because of the instant, maddening rush of torque electric motors supply.  Williams Advanced Engineering is involved with the project, in particular supplying a monster battery pack capable of 2,000-kW discharge rates. It sits in the middle of the carbon fiber monocoque chassis, emulating the weight distribution you'd get from a mid-engined supercar, and holds 70 kWh of energy, which is enough to achieve a range of 250 mi (400 km), if you drive it like a WLTP (World harmonized Light vehicle Testing Procedure) test robot. Drive it flat-out like a lunatic, and Lotus says its four-radiator cooling package will keep temperatures under control long enough to subject you to the most horrifying seven minutes of your life. Again, totally worth it. The battery also features a whopping 800-kW charging capability, which will enable a full charge in just nine minutes, should anyone ever get around to building a charger that fast. Until then, the Evija will be one of the first cars around that can take full advantage of the current world's fastest chargers, which at 350 kW will blast you from 0-80 percent in 12 minutes or fill you right up in 18. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_91pXnhdRcc
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VideoGameVet posted:If you are tired of the sluggish acceleration and performance of your Tesla P100D, there's a car for you: An EV British Hypercar. The only car guarentteed to catch fire before it gets to the showroom
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dream9!bed!! posted:New Leafs are down to $11.6k in my area, tempted to get another one after my 2017 has gone 50k miles with no bars lost and zero service visits. It's no Tesla, but hey, new car for under $12k that's cheap as poo poo to operate. I assume that's with a leased battery but really $12k? How?
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dream9!bed!! posted:New Leafs are down to $11.6k in my area, tempted to get another one after my 2017 has gone 50k miles with no bars lost and zero service visits. It's no Tesla, but hey, new car for under $12k that's cheap as poo poo to operate. Where the gently caress do you live that this is true?
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:An EV British Hypercar. The only car guarentteed to catch fire before it gets to the showroom I hope it has genuine Lucas electronics for that authentic British smokey flavor
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Ola posted:Are the US sharing schemes operating like a typical startup business, are they trying to be the next AirBnB or something? The Norwegian one is a bit typical Scandi-socialist-vibe and operates like a co-op. On one hand I think that helps promote some pragmatic, practical solutions, on the other hand they certainly aren't ordering their own cars with new battery tech. The parent company was BMW, so I think their goal was to promote their cars. It was just douchebaggery to lock the doors, shutdown in the middle of the day, and fire everyone, as they already decided it was going to happen last month per their press release. I'm curious what they'll do with the cars. More on topic, I did run into a company that rents eGolfs here in Brussels, poppy.be.
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I got my 2019 leaf e+ SL for 37.7k with .9 percent financing, and it seems that is actually a hell of a deal.
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Jul 18, 2019 18:36
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dream9!bed!! posted:New Leafs are down to $11.6k in my area, tempted to get another one after my 2017 has gone 50k miles with no bars lost and zero service visits. It's no Tesla, but hey, new car for under $12k that's cheap as poo poo to operate. I too would also like to know where this is. Are these 40kwh 2018-2019 Leafs?
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I'm getting rid of my mid range model 3 and replacing it with a long range awd performance, it's a stealth performance model 3 at $5k less. Inventory-only model. Edit: In case anyone wants to know how it's optioned:  
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Jul 18, 2019 21:19
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Nfcknblvbl posted:I'm getting rid of my mid range model 3 and replacing it with a long range awd performance, it's a stealth performance model 3 at $5k less. Inventory-only model. Take the opportunity to do a consumption comparison on a route you know well.
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Mmmm. Can you add the 19s? Matching the cost of an AWD with the faster 0-60 would be awesome.
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I think the 19s are $1,200
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Can you even fit the stock 19s on the Performance? It would be an interesting Teslabjørn video to see a P vs AWD on the same set of wheels. Who knows how small the hardware difference between the two really is, apart from the bigger brakes. Perhaps you can overclock your AWD.
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Bjørn put 19s on his P3D & sold the 20s, and he probably tested efficiency before and after. Who knows if all AWD models can be unlocked but I wouldn't be surprised if most of them could.
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Nfcknblvbl posted:Bjørn put 19s on his P3D & sold the 20s, and he probably tested efficiency before and after. Who knows if all AWD models can be unlocked but I wouldn't be surprised if most of them could. His 19s are aftermarket though, I don't think the stock 19s fit over the Brembos.
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Don't know the Bjork guy but Engineering Explained recently had a little adventure with his 20"s which might be useful information for anyone considering driving on them: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6sPc9dFsGw&t=1s
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Here's the info on the cheap Leaf: https://www.tynansnissanaurora.com/new-nissan/leaf-aurora-co.htm Long story short, it's for Colorado residents and, of course, that price doesn't include sales tax. But it's for a new 2019 40kWh S trim (pretty stripped but it does have ePedal) with an owned battery, 100k/8yr capacity warranty, etc. Couple that with Xcel Energy's TOU energy program and it's the best car for the price imo. My commute is stupid long, like 55 miles round trip, and the Leaf is perfect for it! And at this price you'd be able to CarMax it for about what you paid in 2-3 years with 50k or so miles. dream9!bed!! fucked around with this message at 23:46 on Jul 18, 2019 |
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That is an incredible deal
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Are there any opinions on the E-golf? There's actually some of these somewhat close to us as opposed to the other cars you guys mentioned, which really helped us do our research anyway. Also, I've never leased a car before, so maybe this isn't the best thread to ask about it, but we were thinking if we wanted to buy the car anyway, if we leased it for a few years and then bought it when the lease was up, it would let us pay off the Ioniq before carrying a second loan. Is there some reason this wouldn't be a good idea, assuming the lease payments and full coverage insurance weren't exorbitant? Leasing a new car would also qualify us for the tax credit, if I'm understanding it correctly, and if we planned on buying the car anyway, it just seems like a way to kick the loan down the road a bit.
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A Strange Aeon posted:Are there any opinions on the E-golf? There's actually some of these somewhat close to us as opposed to the other cars you guys mentioned, which really helped us do our research anyway. I don't know anything about leasing other than the leaser makes money on it, so it has to be more expensive than simply buying it. But as you say, other factors can play in as well. Who knows how easy it is to sell in three years. But the e-Golf is a nice car. The drivetrain isn't the most sophisticated, it charges a bit slow and the range isn't great but it's good enough. The interior is great and the adaptive cruise control is very nice.
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dream9!bed!! posted:Here's the info on the cheap Leaf: https://www.tynansnissanaurora.com/new-nissan/leaf-aurora-co.htm I see "group buy" and "fleet" in the discounts there. I have a feeling it's too good to be true for a normal customer.
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I got almost exactly the same deal on my 2017, and this deal is being advertised by the City of Denver. It's real and I might get one so I'll post the invoice when I do. I was thinking about going Model 3 but it's hard to justify when I have a gas truck I'm not getting rid of for longer trips. edit: Actually my 2017 deal was way more insane, I got that price with $6k of hail damage discount stacked on it (they fixed all the plastic and glass so it's safe despite looking like a Titleist) dream9!bed!! fucked around with this message at 16:22 on Jul 19, 2019 |
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Remember the chat a little while back about multiple gears in an EV? ZF just announced a two speed: https://www.electrive.com/2019/07/17/zf-presents-two-speed-transmission-for-electric-cars/
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A Strange Aeon posted:Leasing a new car would also qualify us for the tax credit, if I'm understanding it correctly, and if we planned on buying the car anyway, it just seems like a way to kick the loan down the road a bit. The dealership gets the federal tax credit. Make sure it's passed on to you in the lease valuation. Not all manufacturers allow this (GM for example has just been keeping it this year from what I've heard).
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Westy543 posted:The dealership gets the federal tax credit. Make sure it's passed on to you in the lease valuation. Not all manufacturers allow this (GM for example has just been keeping it this year from what I've heard). No, the bank gets the tax credit as they are the one who actually own the car. The lease programs are a fixed program with a specific money factor for each credit tier, a specific residual value based on mileage and vehicle and whatever rebates the bank offers. There may be dealerships adding the tax credit back on top of the sale price to make more profit but they have no bearing on what the lease programs entail or who gets the federal tax credit.
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japtor posted:Remember the chat a little while back about multiple gears in an EV? ZF just announced a two speed: Cool!
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Nfcknblvbl posted:I'm getting rid of my mid range model 3 and replacing it with a long range awd performance, it's a stealth performance model 3 at $5k less. Inventory-only model. I'm thinking of getting a standard Model 3, so I'm curious if there is some reason you're upgrading from a practical perspective. Range too short? Just want to go faster?
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kill me now posted:No, the bank gets the tax credit as they are the one who actually own the car. Little unclear as to what you are trying to say, but when I leased my previous leaf, they hooked me up with the federal and state rebates and I drove off with 220$ a month payments.
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Nostalgic Cashew posted:I'm thinking of getting a standard Model 3, so I'm curious if there is some reason you're upgrading from a practical perspective. Range too short? Just want to go faster? I took quite a few long road trips in my mid-range, one of them was about 6k miles. It handled all the trips well but I’d love to have a bigger battery for the longer range and faster charging. Also the speed is nice.
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So, I got looking at Leafs, and a dealer near me has a ton of CPO '16s and 17s for the 11-$13k price range, they say they have a 7 year 100kmi "limited" warranty, and insist I go to a dealer to find out what this means. 60 miles of range gets me my commute to work and any errands I need to run for the day, I'm enticed by the prospect of not buying gas, does anyone know what Nissan's warranty covers? What's the deal with their weird battery lease thing? 11k seems pretty cheap for a 2 year old vehicle.
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Elviscat posted:So, I got looking at Leafs, and a dealer near me has a ton of CPO '16s and 17s for the 11-$13k price range, they say they have a 7 year 100kmi "limited" warranty, and insist I go to a dealer to find out what this means. 30kWh Leafs have a 84 month, 100k mile battery capacity warranty that basically warranties 2/3rds of your charge capacity will stick around. 60 miles may be cutting it close when the battery degrades towards that cutoff point especially if it's mostly freeway or you drive in cold winters, so YMMV in your climate and depending on how long you plan to keep it. FWIW my 30kWh Leaf still gets 100 miles of range in the summer with 47k miles on the clock, degradation is mostly a factor of time and climate though. Lastly, note that most 2016 S trims are 24kWh, while all 2016 SV/SL and all 2017s regardless of trim are 30. Invest in a Bluetooth OBDII reader and download LeafSpy to look at the State of Health (SOH) percentage of each Leaf you're considering. Might as well get a healthier battery even if you're under warranty. Never heard of a battery lease in the US. Consider looking at a new Leaf if you live in a state with tax rebates, too, since the reason they're so cheap is because of folks like me who can buy a new 40kWh 2019 for the same price. dream9!bed!! fucked around with this message at 22:58 on Jul 19, 2019 |
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Nostalgic Cashew posted:I'm thinking of getting a standard Model 3, so I'm curious if there is some reason you're upgrading from a practical perspective. Range too short? Just want to go faster? The P3D is one of the most fun-to-drive factory vehicles I’ve ever driven. It’s fun on a bun.
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