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Lol at the anticap CSPAM thread turning into chud central the second the topic of sacrificing Western comforts for the sake of environmentalism comes up
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bike tory posted:But no one has seen those bans and then said "job well done we can stop environmentalism now". Psychology studies have shown that is actually exactly what happens, in aggregate; basically people who do a small task end up thinking they have 'done their part', and become significantly less willing to do other things for the environment.
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Rarity posted:Lol at the anticap CSPAM thread turning into chud central the second the topic of sacrificing Western comforts for the sake of environmentalism comes up *brendan oneillishy* this is actually about puritanical leftists killing the human spirit and shrinking the scope of the possible
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Jul 20, 2019 00:28
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bike tory posted:The point about banning plastic straws and shopping bags specifically is that they are the most likely things to escape from landfills and end up in the ocean.
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Jul 20, 2019 00:30
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Larry Parrish posted:that's the real part the annoys the gently caress out of me. what's the point of banning free grocery bags (because now it's a dime for a bag most people still treat as disposable except its made of even more plastic) when everything else in our lovely society is still made of disposable plastic. that's not even touching how electronics and even cars are designed to be as annoying as possible to maintain. cell phones in particular we just expect you to buy, break, and buy a new one and they're not resource cheap to manufacture SO THEY CAN loving CHARGE MONEY FOR THEM NOW jesus christ if you arent just stealing as much poo poo as you can these days
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Jul 20, 2019 00:33
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the environmentalist effort hyperfocused on loving straws and grocery story plastic bags is a way to divert attention from actually fixing environmental issues because doing so would threaten profits and it doesn't even require a shadowy cabal or think tank to come to this policy decision because it's the only thing politicians are allowed to grandstand on and make a big show of to pander to the environmentally minded and pretend they're doing something
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Jul 20, 2019 00:35
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Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3 posted:
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Jul 20, 2019 00:40
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I keep trying to find ways that capitalism isn't entirely responsible for environmental disaster and in the end I always come back around hating capitalism more than when I started.
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Jul 20, 2019 00:44
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i loving LOVE throwing stuff away into a donation bin and leaving it outside for other people to take and utilize
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Jul 20, 2019 00:50
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shame about goodwill though
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Jul 20, 2019 00:54
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"consume less" is the solution to a lot of problems hth
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Jul 20, 2019 00:55
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Subjunctive posted:shame about goodwill though there's an outlet that sells whatever they have by the pound and it is a loving madhouse, I get all sorts of horror stories working next to one and stepping out for a smoke break occasionally
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Jul 20, 2019 01:04
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"just say no" to the multi-billion dollar industry devoted to manufacturing desire
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Jul 20, 2019 01:07
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Subjunctive posted:shame about goodwill though yeah hearing what goes on there is a bummer
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Taintrunner posted:there's an outlet that sells whatever they have by the pound and it is a loving madhouse, I get all sorts of horror stories working next to one and stepping out for a smoke break occasionally It's just bins of random stuff and as soon as a new one rolls out it gets descended on like it's a fresh carcass. Oh there's a chess set! The box is open. Everything has fallen into this blue bin.
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Jul 20, 2019 01:10
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Cowpocalypse posted:"consume less" is the solution to a lot of problems hth it is a mistake to assume the problems of global spoilage from industrial production are issues of consumer choices rather than the producers who shape the markets from which we consume creating infrastructure which maximizes profits through several cost-saving "externalities" such as plastic waste and carbon emissions. the notion that we have a "choice" in this affair is an illusion and ultimately serves the interests of capital, to the extent that it shifts responsibility from these producers and the system in which their destructive methods are perversely incentivized to the actions of private individual consumers. that said, I have no pity for people complaining about paper straws. boo hoo, you don't get to consume your little treats exactly the way you want them, what a contemptible and spoiled creature you are if this is a prominent issue in your personal life such that you dedicate your limited attention to it.
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Jul 20, 2019 01:12
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Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3 posted:"just say no" to the multi-billion dollar industry devoted to manufacturing desire Advertising is assault
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comedyblissoption posted:the environmentalist effort hyperfocused on loving straws and grocery story plastic bags is a way to divert attention from actually fixing environmental issues because doing so would threaten profits and it doesn't even require a shadowy cabal or think tank to come to this policy decision because it's the only thing politicians are allowed to grandstand on and make a big show of to pander to the environmentally minded and pretend they're doing something Climate action LARPing
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Jul 20, 2019 01:20
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GEMorris posted:LARPing 
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Mr. Lobe posted:it is a mistake to assume the problems of global spoilage from industrial production are issues of consumer choices rather than the producers who shape the markets from which we consume creating infrastructure which maximizes profits through several cost-saving "externalities" such as plastic waste and carbon emissions. the notion that we have a "choice" in this affair is an illusion and ultimately serves the interests of capital, to the extent that it shifts responsibility from these producers and the system in which their destructive methods are perversely incentivized to the actions of private individual consumers.
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Jul 20, 2019 01:22
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Spazzle posted:That's right, you are a blameless slug who is entirely controlled by hidden capitalist forces. Rest assured your complete lack of agency will absolve you from having to do anything at all. or you could actively fight against capitalism and seek its destruction through organizing and political activity? I dunno, that seems like a good idea to me. there is an enemy that seeks to destroy you and to despoil the world in which you live for its own profits. seems like something to be fought and resisted rather than passively abided to me
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Jul 20, 2019 01:27
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bag em and tag em posted:Y'all, the ban just means restaurants don't automatically toss 20 plastic straws on the table when you order a round of drinks. If you ask for a straw, you get one. They aren't really banned. Stop believing what chud morons tell you about Hellworld Commiefornia I live here dipshit, that's my own genuine observation
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I didn't buy the avatar, but boy you got me. Spazzle posted:That's right, you are a blameless slug who is entirely controlled by hidden capitalist forces. Rest assured your complete lack of agency will absolve you from having to do anything at all. Banning straws isn't doing anything but wasting your energy and creating a false sense of accomplishment. Nothing was accomplished, no real improvement was made. People got to be sanctimonious jerks to the disabled but "with an excuse" this time.
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Jul 20, 2019 01:28
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Spazzle posted:That's right, you are a blameless slug who is entirely controlled by hidden capitalist forces. Rest assured your complete lack of agency will absolve you from having to do anything at all. the hidden capitalist forces? you mean the neoliberals who came up with recycling and told everyone to do it while deregulating industry? Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3 has issued a correction as of 01:40 on Jul 20, 2019 |
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Jul 20, 2019 01:36
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Spazzle posted:That's right, you are a blameless slug who is entirely controlled by hidden capitalist forces. Rest assured your complete lack of agency will absolve you from having to do anything at all. 
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Jul 20, 2019 01:38
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GEMorris posted:I didn't buy the avatar, but boy you got me. lol its true
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Jul 20, 2019 01:39
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I guess banning straws are better than not banning straws but it’s just a drop In the bucket compared to the amount of waste we create packaging food, especially take-out. A grocery store sushi dinner is the plastic equivalent of at least 20 straws.
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Jul 20, 2019 01:45
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Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3 posted:"just say no" to the multi-billion dollar industry devoted to manufacturing desire
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Jul 20, 2019 01:47
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There are articles and people debating about plastic. Which is good.
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Jul 20, 2019 01:53
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GEMorris posted:I didn't buy the avatar, but boy you got me. none of my energy is wasted in this exercise
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Jul 20, 2019 02:09
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Plastic is the only thing that will remain once we are all dead. It is our descendant. Earth + Plastic, forever.
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Jul 20, 2019 02:11
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Shame Boy posted:Remember, you have the freedom to worship God however you want! You can be a Methodist, or a Lutheran, or (heaven forbid) even a Catholic! The people even blush and try to hide their faces when the narrator mentions they are capitalists.
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Jul 20, 2019 02:13
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The Nastier Nate posted:I mean, my paper straw is sitting inside a plastic cup that probably uses x10 as much resources to create. That's the most frustrating part. There are lovely chains that now refuse straws or give out paper ones that have swapped from paper cups to plastic since the straw thing became the latest 'actually consumer choices are what's destroying the environment, not rampant corporate pillaging'
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Jul 20, 2019 02:54
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doing a very small good thing to fractionally alleviate future harm in an area of environmentalism that has, for the most part, been doing triage for the last decade+ vs major deleterious effects on a marginalized and all too often ignored minority (folks with disabilities and/or impairments), fails to address production rather than sale, that can't be reasonably enforced and is so mundane and mildly irritating that idiots will be complaining about plastic straws well into the next century even after we replace straws with tiny black holes
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Jul 20, 2019 05:24
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"these are distractions from the real issue which is that we need a revolution to overthrow the global capitalist hegemony and reconstruct society from the ground up based on an environmentally sustainable, horizontally organised socialist mode of production" I say, as I vote against the only available legislative changes aimed at reducing environmental destruction
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Jul 20, 2019 05:34
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Accelerationists will accelerate (and considering the overall lack of success of mainstream "left-wing" parties that supposedly care about environment, I don't know if I blame them)
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Jul 20, 2019 05:38
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bike tory posted:"these are distractions from the real issue which is that we need a revolution to overthrow the global capitalist hegemony and reconstruct society from the ground up based on an environmentally sustainable, horizontally organised socialist mode of production" it doesn't reduce environmental destruction to any meaningful degree op it'd be like setting a maximum wage of a trillion dollars per year, technically a good thing for reigning in a serious problem that misses the point of what actually needs to happen (socialism or barbarism)
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Jul 20, 2019 06:09
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Just start killing everyone with cars, and so on
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Jul 20, 2019 06:21
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Zzulu posted:Just start killing everyone with cars, and so on Which thing? Both?
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T-man posted:it doesn't reduce environmental destruction to any meaningful degree op They are a first step towards banning or restricting plastics more widely. A lot of places that have enacted plastic straw and bag bans are now considering bans on all single-use plastics.
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