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Mummy Xzibit posted:Yeah, I actually do. Kids are minors when you talk about crime. Invoking them doesn't do this situation any justice. Lots of people call 30 year olds kids, but of course that's semantic. Throwing someone into curb, stomping on their hand and kicking and punching that person in face, stomach and back with your friends is definitely a form of self-defence.
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Jesus christ, "Hey @speakerpelosi how may likes to start impeachment? A man's gotta have his functioning democracy!"
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Jul 20, 2019 13:17
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I see Trump is hitting all the Sci Fi dystopia movies, and we are in the Richard Dawson Running Man phase
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Jul 20, 2019 13:18
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not a bot posted:I think it's a stretch to say ASAP Rocky is a flight risk. He's touring all over Europe during the summer and if he decided to gently caress off back to US, he could still be extradited and even if not taking that into account he'd be caught when visiting any European country anyway. To me keeping him in jail for now seems more like a PR thing, not wanting to get accused of giving celebrities a pass. So you’re basically arguing that because he’s rich and famous and well known to the world that he should be getting better and more lenient treatment?
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Jul 20, 2019 13:19
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TulliusCicero posted:Wow, wierd how this seems to be a systemic problem in American law enforcement with this Don’t forget all the rifles, grenade launchers, APCs, humvees, flak jackets, helmets, and billions of dollars of other military equipment we’ve been handing to them for the past decade or so. The cops in America have been turned into an oppressive paramilitary force, at a level not quite seen before. Gonna be a real fun decade comin’ up 
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Jul 20, 2019 13:20
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not a bot posted:Throwing someone into curb, stomping on their hand and kicking and punching that person in face, stomach and back with your friends is definitely a form of self-defence. Don't forget to film the whole thing and put it on instagram.
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Jul 20, 2019 13:21
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https://mobile.twitter.com/realDona...%3D1705%23pti23
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Jul 20, 2019 13:22
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teen witch posted:Swedes are incredibly good at English and the Swedish language pretty much have similar kid/young adult distinctions. You're right, on review that was a proper use of the word to refer to "young person" and there was no reason to assume in context that they were trying to specifically say "minor child". So that was just disingenuous dickish behavior even without a language difference.
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Jul 20, 2019 13:26
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I have it on good authority from a former Trump Org guy that the president paints himself orange so you can't see him getting beet red flustered when you use such hardball negotiating tactics such as calling bullshit on him or disagreeing.
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Jul 20, 2019 13:36
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Unskew the polls!
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Jul 20, 2019 13:36
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I choose not to add an extra 15% to that number, but thanks for the option Don
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Jul 20, 2019 13:36
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https://twitter.com/secupp/status/1152416023791972352 she's quoting an article that says the dems would win the majority (again) and trump could still win lmao
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Jul 20, 2019 13:44
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It's a Rasmussen poll. I think I'll take 10% off of it.
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Jul 20, 2019 13:58
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One thing that hasn’t been mentioned about Sweden’s system is that if pre-trial detention occurs and the accused is found innocent they are entitled to compensation for suffering as well as lost wages. The system is imperfect as foreigners are concerned, since a foreigner is realistically not always a flight risk, but I can see their logic. If they leave the country I would be surprised if they returned as required (that goes for anyone) and extradition is difficult and expensive.
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Jul 20, 2019 14:08
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Yeah if I ended up in jail and expected to show up for trial in a country not my home, there's no way I'm sticking around if they don't lock me up. I don't think anyone would.
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Jul 20, 2019 14:10
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While I'd agree the Swedish model is an improvement overall, holy moly are people getting unnecessarily combative at the fact it's being questioned at all. There's nothing wrong with being critical of all systems that imprison people, and "That's the law" or "This is just how it's done" are 100% not satisfactory answers.
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Koalas March posted:While I'd agree the Swedish model is an improvement overall, holy moly are people getting unnecessarily combative at the fact it's being questioned at all. yeah, this, lol. no one's saying the US system is better, just that this thing isn't good no one has even made a serious effort to defend their apparent complete lack of pre-trial release options (which EwokEntourage repeatedly mentioned) for foreigners accused of crimes, many of which would effectively solve the flight-risk problem. unless rocky has some kind of Epstein-level stashes of diamonds and fake passports and a private jet in Sweden, or they had some kind of reason to believe he would continue to be a danger to the community. in which case, by all means, the prosecutors should present those issues to the court in an application to deny pre-trial release eke out fucked around with this message at 14:33 on Jul 20, 2019 |
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Jul 20, 2019 14:31
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If giving a vet a vehicle was your intention in the first place, why not just give it to them rather than hope the moron in chief pays you any mind?
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Jul 20, 2019 14:34
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All the Americans itt thinking you would need a passport to leave Sweden...
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eke out posted:yeah, this, lol This is essentially cash bail by another name, since it would require the accused to pay for a place to live, and for their day to day necessities, all while unemployed. It’s a difficult situation with no obviously right or wrong answer, because while I’m sure there’s no pressing need for these guys to be in jail, the principle of equality before the law dictates that they remain detained. It’s a no-win situation. The lead-up video makes it look like those guys probably deserved a beating, but depending on how far it went it may have been excessive and therefore criminal, further complicating the issue. Just because someone really deserves to catch an rear end-whooping doesn’t mean anyone has the legal authority to do it.
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BabyFur Denny posted:All the Americans itt thinking you would need a passport to leave Sweden... He'll need a passport when returning to the US and even though border crossings are open in Schengen area, you'll still need a passport in case it's checked for a reason or another and most if not all airlines require a passport as well.
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Groovelord Neato posted:https://twitter.com/secupp/status/1152416023791972352 Hey look it's Sippee Cup. What a blast from the past!
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Koalas March posted:While I'd agree the Swedish model is an improvement overall, holy moly are people getting unnecessarily combative at the fact it's being questioned at all. Yeah, there is a ton of poo poo that should be improved, like progressive penalties should be introduced as an obvious first step. There are also a lot of discriminatory practices towards immigrants (like they're more often target for searches and so on). There is probably a higher conviction rate for immigrants based on bias, although likely nowhere near as bad as in the US, as the racial/cultural biases are a lot more subtle/disguised by the strict insistence on the "neutrality" of the law and less use of a jury. Tbh, it's a general problem of the welfare state, where peoples bigoted opinions influence their jobs, whether it's police who always look at Muhammed first, or nurses who joke about "immigrant pains". Unfortunately there has been a marked conservative shift towards harsher punishments and more focus on vengeance, instead of rehabilitation, as the right wing has been gaining influence. People are stupid everywhere apparently.
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Jul 20, 2019 14:45
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Koalas March posted:While I'd agree the Swedish model is an improvement overall, holy moly are people getting unnecessarily combative at the fact it's being questioned at all. There’s this really weird disconnect or contradiction (perceived or actual) people seem to have between “call out injustice whenever you see it” and “respect other cultures/don’t project your American values on foreign countries or cultures”. I think it makes situations like this one with A$AP harder to discuss because the US telling a foreign nation how to conduct criminal justice is laughable. But that doesn’t necessarily make them wrong in this case.
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not a bot posted:He'll need a passport when returning to the US and even though border crossings are open in Schengen area, you'll still need a passport in case it's checked for a reason or another and most if not all airlines require a passport as well. You can drive over to the next country, walk into the us consulate, apply for an emergency passport, pick it up the next day.
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Jul 20, 2019 14:47
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it's kinda amazing how many people think Rocky is some mega wealthy powerhouse with tons of political pull to throw around.
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Boris Galerkin posted:You can drive over to the next country, walk into the us consulate, apply for an emergency passport, pick it up the next day. I'm not sure trying to avoid a court case counts as an emergency.
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not a bot posted:I'm not sure trying to avoid a court case counts as an emergency. but surely the US consulate will have no choice but to bend to the mighty power that is A$AP Rocky, international shot caller.
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sexpig by night posted:it's kinda amazing how many people think Rocky is some mega wealthy powerhouse with tons of political pull to throw around. look, i just think everything that happens in any rapper's music videos is completely true
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Jul 20, 2019 14:55
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"Hey Sven, this guy who extremely publicly was arrested and is awaiting trial needs an 'emergency' passport for, 'reasons'. This is shady right?" "Bjorn you fool! This is none other than A$AP Rocky! If we refuse his demand our careers will surely be over! If we anger him the entire A$AP Mob will have shooters in Stockholm within a day!"
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https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1152577020594917376?s=21 *staffer crossing out A$AP and writing “A-sap” for his speech*
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sexpig by night posted:it's kinda amazing how many people think Rocky is some mega wealthy powerhouse with tons of political pull to throw around. The president of the United States of America personally taking up the issue certainly is zero political pull. I haven't been to Sweden since I was a teenager so I can't really speak from specific experience but when I lived in Italy you can go from country to country as easily as state to state in the US. The only time I remember having to use a passport while flying was through England which is EU so idk. Where interestingly enough I was harassed by an English CBP agent (or whatever they're called there) because I had a two year old tourist visa stamp in Italy without an exit and he didn't seem to understand what NATO was. edit: lol beaten by Trump himself
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Slowpoke! posted:https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1152577020594917376?s=21 okay so rocky's definitely not getting out on ptr now
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Slowpoke! posted:https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1152577020594917376?s=21 look man Trump cares deeply about his old harlem buddy mr "A-Dollar Sign-App" Rocky and I don't know why you'd imply he only cares about this because a famous person said to.
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WorldsStongestNerd posted:Jesus. Even here with a nominally left leaning group, it's hard to show why one of the European systems is better. It's like explaining to chuds why socialized healthcare is actually a good thing. Sweden has a more or less fair system that is working here as intended, and it's a system the the US would do well to emulate. The “Swedish model” of sex work legalization isn’t great, nor a substitute for proper decriminalization. https://medium.com/@aleknielsen/nordic-model-the-ongoing-criminalization-of-sex-workers-in-northern-europe-c1df02ba94ae It gives cops massive amounts of leeway to harass and stake-out sex workers under pretense of catching customers (which is what they do now) or anybody they deem to be profiting from sex work (landlords, if you hire security or employees, if you work with a friend, if you use a third party service like squarespace in your business, your internet or power if you work out of your home, etc), and creates an environment in which sex workers do “legal” work but are cut off from support avenues or legal protection and likelier to be taken advantage of or be victims of a crime. Also if you’re a foreigner entering the country and the agent suspects you of intent to do sex work you can be barred entry on the spot.
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not a bot posted:I'm not sure trying to avoid a court case counts as an emergency. An emergency can mean as little as “left my passport at a bar and now I don’t have documents to fly home.” sexpig by night posted:"Hey Sven, this guy who extremely publicly was arrested and is awaiting trial needs an 'emergency' passport for, 'reasons'. This is shady right?" The American working in the American embassy is just going to take the info, charge a fee, and then press print. Or maybe they can’t print it there, so he presses “send” to another embassy that can.
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Jarmak posted:The president of the United States of America personally taking up the issue certainly is zero political pull. Trump is getting involved because it's a thing that's blown up in media. Calling it the result of political pull would imply A$AP Rocky somehow getting Trump involved. That's just silly. You can freely cross between countries in Schengen area though depending on situation there might be temporary checks at the border. But when you take a plane your passport will be checked. Also while UK is a part of EU it's not a part of the Schengen area.
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not a bot posted:Trump is getting involved because it's a thing that's blown up in media. Calling it the result of political pull would imply A$AP Rocky somehow getting Trump involved. That's just silly. no, it's because kim has jared's cell phone, and jared is the guy that can convince trump that doing favors to rappers is the way he'll make black people like them see: executive clemency for alice johnson
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not a bot posted:Trump is getting involved because it's a thing that's blown up in media. Calling it the result of political pull would imply A$AP Rocky somehow getting Trump involved. That's just silly. Trump is getting involved because Kanye West and Kim Kardashian asked him to on Rocky's behalf. Regardless when the ostensibly most powerful man in the world is personally calling the Prime Minister on your behalf that's political pull. The why doesn't change that.
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