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ZHIOVI CLASS destroyer gets my vote - literally the only non-overweight destroyer ZANIMAT'SYA BESSMYSLENNYM DELON (refit) for the big ship. It was a close-run thing. Regarding fuel type, will we have problems if we pick the ships powered by oil? (I ignored fuel type in my decision-making process anyway) simplefish fucked around with this message at 07:56 on Jul 20, 2019 |
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Ivan IV Vassilievich for the battleship, even though at some point it will explode thanks to that 10/3" turret armour I still think it's the best one. I liked the Grand Friendship too but 2" of conning tower armour is just insane. Zhivoi for the destroyer. I would have liked a little more gun firepower for small engagements (maybe a pair of 2" secondaries or something) but at least it isn't overweight.
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Destroyer: Bolshoy Igriz This ship has the blazing speed and heavy torpedo armament that fits our needs perfectly. Dreadnought: I can'''t justify a low freeboard given the storms in the North Sea. We should build the Ryska Sjön.
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Jul 20, 2019 13:10
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Danann posted:Battleship: Ryska Sjön Voting for these as well.
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Jul 20, 2019 13:23
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Ryska Sjön Bolshoy Igriz
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Jul 20, 2019 13:36
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Ivan IV Vasilyevich This is the only battleship that can go somewhere and do something before getting blown up. Bolshoy Igriz King Hong Kong fucked around with this message at 15:19 on Jul 20, 2019 |
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Jul 20, 2019 15:17
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vyelkin posted:Ivan IV Vassilievich for the battleship, even though at some point it will explode thanks to that 10/3" turret armour I still think it's the best one. I liked the Grand Friendship too but 2" of conning tower armour is just insane. CT isn't hit that often, and everyone knows our fearless captains / admirals will used the unarmored bridge anyways.
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Jul 20, 2019 15:20
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Danann posted:Battleship: Ryska Sjön
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Jul 20, 2019 15:43
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Grey Hunter posted:A 18"* British built battleship. 
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Jul 20, 2019 16:33
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Imperial Officer posted:Bolshoy Igriz-class Destroyer The czar's cousin provides.
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frankenfreak posted:Of course not length. That wouldn't be a battleship. I'd be a pocket battleship. gotta ketch them all! edit: my votes Ryska Sjön - nice and cheap! Which is good because it's going to be in drydock after every fight, fixing the gaping holes where the completely unarmored secondary guns used to be in the casemates! An interesting design decision, that. Bolshoy Igriz - fast, torpedoes, In Living Color, torpedoes! Neophyte fucked around with this message at 18:21 on Jul 20, 2019 |
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Jul 20, 2019 18:04
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vyelkin posted:Ivan IV Vassilievich for the battleship, even though at some point it will explode thanks to that 10/3" turret armour I still think it's the best one. I liked the Grand Friendship too but 2" of conning tower armour is just insane. I'll vote for this as well.
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Jul 20, 2019 18:20
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simplefish posted:ZHIOVI CLASS destroyer gets my vote - literally the only non-overweight destroyer ZHIOVI CLASS destroyer Ryska Sjön Seems like the coastal battleship isn't popular so I'll throw my weight behind the Ryska Sjön since it seems the closest to it.
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Jul 20, 2019 19:31
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frankenfreak posted:Of course not length. That wouldn't be a battleship. I'd be a pocket battleship. So, is that a battleship in your pocket or.... 
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vyelkin posted:Ivan IV Vassilievich for the battleship, even though at some point it will explode thanks to that 10/3" turret armour I still think it's the best one. I liked the Grand Friendship too but 2" of conning tower armour is just insane. In the 1912 save the Tusk has 3t of weight to spare. I just didn't see a need to repost it for that.
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Jul 21, 2019 01:18
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Bolshoy Igriz class destroyer because those funnels are ridiculous. ZANIMAT'SYA BESSMYSLENNYM DELON (refit) because it's hilariously fast.
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Jul 21, 2019 02:45
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Jul 21, 2019 05:11
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a thing to keep in mind re:teashy mcgarbo botes is that at least in the first game the AI countries would just kinda copy cat your poo poo but change it up a little so the teacher wouldn't notice
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Jul 21, 2019 06:07
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The AI in RTW2 has a wider selection of its own designs to choose from but will still totally copy your designs. It's in theory possible to add design templates to the AI's library, and something I'd like to see as a mod is a collection of community ship designs for the AI to use.
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Jul 21, 2019 06:12
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I get the feeling that there would be less of a challenge if goons were allowed to design the AI fleets.
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Jul 21, 2019 07:05
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Infidelicious posted:
(One of the other workarounds I had considered is to go by the letter of the law, and have 2 ships with 4 18" guns total, thus providing the required 18" guns while letting you pick out more sensible secondaries) simplefish posted:There's also the more straightforward workaround of proposing a law with wording you do like This also is an option. Even if there's already a law you think is too prescriptive being suggested. Veloxyll fucked around with this message at 09:14 on Jul 21, 2019 |
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Jul 21, 2019 07:43
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There's also the more straightforward workaround of proposing a law with wording you do like
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Jul 21, 2019 08:47
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You guys do realize that all of those proposed BBs cost us our entire yearly budget, right? We are going to bankrupt the navy and get sent to Siberia for our incompetence.
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Jul 21, 2019 11:03
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BBs and 18" super guns cost a lot And complaining about the design restriction is moot because this is an exercise in trying to steal the 18" tech.
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Jul 21, 2019 13:18
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And even if we don't get tech from it, we still get guns 4" bigger than we, the US, and Austria, have right now. I didn't have a chance to see if I could build from Japan, German, or French yards, but I'd be shocked if they had anything bigger than 14" right now. The difference is immense, even a -1 18" gun has 25km range while a 0 14" gun has like 16km. And if you happen to hit at long range, no level of deck armor is stopping an 18" shell plowing deep into the ship- you need 4.5" of deck armor for that. Land one on a turret top and the opponent is GONE. Yeah, it's going to be worth it to build one of these- it so outclasses the Blyat and the older B's that it's kind of insane and the sheer size of these guns will keep the ship viable for a long while even as it quickly becomes a glass cannon.
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Grey, I've been just lurking, but I thought the winning design had director. The one you laid down was local fire control only.
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Jul 21, 2019 20:26
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Holy poo poo Germany has a gigantic loving navy.
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Jul 21, 2019 21:15
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Grey Hunter posted:
 habeasdorkus posted:Holy poo poo Germany has a gigantic loving navy.
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Dilber posted:Grey, I've been just lurking, but I thought the winning design had director. The one you laid down was local fire control only. Also it's overweight for some reason. I think you can add improved fire control before construction ends at least?
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sum posted:Also it's overweight for some reason. I think you can add improved fire control before construction ends at least? Also it has no BE or DE armor and doesn't have All or Nothing, which seems less than optimal.
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Going back to the file I submitted, I definitely forgot to put on central firing. No idea why it doesn't have AoN, but I was able to get it to put it on by cranking the main gun caliber up and down. Very bizarre.
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Yeah, the Teatime lost it's fire control in transitioning to Tea-off,, there seem to be some bugs with the ship designer. Our budget situation is nowhere near as bad as I thought. A few months of on-off building and we should be fine.
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sum posted:Going back to the file I submitted, I definitely forgot to put on central firing. No idea why it doesn't have AoN, but I was able to get it to put it on by cranking the main gun caliber up and down. Very bizarre. I was going to say! Maybe an event will fire that adds the latest FC Ahhh, grog games!
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Jul 21, 2019 23:58
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Haha, let's chalk it up to "lost in translation" and fix what we can before she's launched
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Doing some testing, I think the bug might be related to saving a design for a ship you're building in a foreign yard. Specifically, I think it took the director and AoN off the saved design because Russia hasn't invented them yet. I think this is something that could just be fixed by just editing some files later. (Or we could just keep it like it is, which is funnier)
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Grey Hunter posted:
Nonsense! There's a reason why we have zero unrest, and that's because everyone is rapt to our Tsar's exploits on the high seas! He is lucky the blockade avoids him, or he'd slay them all as if they were Ivan the Terrible's children and he were Ivan! simplefish posted:Haha, let's chalk it up to "lost in translation" and fix what we can before she's launched Seconded
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Jul 22, 2019 00:16
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Grey Hunter posted:
This is uh quite a bold strategy when we're literally at war. 
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Do we need more submarines now?
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Comstar posted:Do we need more submarines now? We have 17, the Germans have 11 we don't know how many the British have. My opinion is that we should at least get the Kaputnik and the destroyers into the fight before we start another project; and we have more subs than they do for now at least. Is Hainan within our invasion distance?
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