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Two new books announced. My poor seraphon. A lot of local people who are playing KT, WH40K, sigmar and now just getting into Apoc seem really not interested in warcry, just out of exhaustion for another system (or feeling poor). The like, 10 people I know and play with is a very small sample, bit I'm wondering if that more than just us. I was going to preorder but everyone is pretty "it looks fine but I can't really"
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Clawtopsy posted:Seriously, I don't even give a poo poo about Bretonnia. I just want a modern faction that has knights on horses. I seriously doubt we'll ever get a new kit of anything riding a non-fantasy creature ever again. I'd love to be wrong.
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Jul 21, 2019 15:29
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Harvey Mantaco posted:Two new books announced. My poor seraphon. Yeah Warcry is a tough one. I know many that are keen to play at my club, but no one really wants to fork out the start up on books. We'd be interested I splitting one box and buying our dudes, but not having the books and stuff on hand is hard.
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Jul 21, 2019 16:02
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It sounds like whoever is coming back is a former stormcast, so the settra thing could be a red herring in that case. If he is back with skeleton war machines I'm gonna rebase & slap a new coat of paint on my screaming skull catapult I painted as a teenager. 
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Jul 21, 2019 16:10
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Skails posted:It sounds like whoever is coming back is a former stormcast, so the settra thing could be a red herring in that case. Settra may have been a Stormcast. Might make sense for him to bounce from Stormcast to Nagash to once again ruling.
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Jul 21, 2019 16:29
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Where's the Stormcast thing coming from? It just says he was imprisoned by Sigmar and that he escaped, which would be explained as the thing in the lake in Forbidden Power. Also, he references "my master" and "soul thief" which are two terms Settra has never used in the past. Whoever this is, it's one of Nagash's lackeys, and not Settra.
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Jul 21, 2019 16:33
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Did Luthor Harkon survive the end times? I don't think it's him but I do want him back, with a model.
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Jul 21, 2019 17:11
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berzerkmonkey posted:Where's the Stormcast thing coming from? It just says he was imprisoned by Sigmar and that he escaped, which would be explained as the thing in the lake in Forbidden Power. There is a Stormcast named in a recent novel named Settrus Lord Celestant of the Imperishables Chamber. (Which belong to the Anvils of the Heldenhammer Host which is made of heroes that were long dead.) Who is also stated as hating Nagash and holding a massive grudge against him for reasons he can't quite remember.
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Jul 21, 2019 18:38
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JBP posted:Yeah Warcry is a tough one. I know many that are keen to play at my club, but no one really wants to fork out the start up on books. We'd be interested I splitting one box and buying our dudes, but not having the books and stuff on hand is hard. I think Warcry is cool, but I want to use it as an intro to AoS proper. That means I need them to release KT-esque faction boxes for non-chaos dudes.
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Jul 21, 2019 19:29
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Mugaaz posted:I think Warcry is cool, but I want to use it as an intro to AoS proper. That means I need them to release KT-esque faction boxes for non-chaos dudes. The start collecting's kind of do that.
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Jul 21, 2019 20:57
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Is a Chaos Knight heavy army viable?
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Jul 21, 2019 22:37
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Harvey Mantaco posted:Two new books announced. My poor seraphon. 40K, AoS And Underworlds for me. I’ve not even played a game of Kill Team yet despite having the starter set. I also don’t think they’ve done a good job of selling the rules in the previews. The Becca Scott intro video was fairly light and didn’t give a sense of depth. They’ve also just released meeting engagements for smaller AoS games. Models are nice though. It’s weird as I’d been excited for the concept, but it just looks a bit thin. I’ll try to watch some longer videos about it. Feel the AoS terrain would be a better investment for the price.
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Jul 21, 2019 23:18
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Clawtopsy posted:Is a Chaos Knight heavy army viable? I've seen some, though they admittedly also had Archeon.
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Jul 21, 2019 23:19
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Milotic posted:40K, AoS And Underworlds for me. I’ve not even played a game of Kill Team yet despite having the starter set. I also don’t think they’ve done a good job of selling the rules in the previews. The Becca Scott intro video was fairly light and didn’t give a sense of depth. They’ve also just released meeting engagements for smaller AoS games. Models are nice though. It’s weird as I’d been excited for the concept, but it just looks a bit thin. I’ll try to watch some longer videos about it. Feel the AoS terrain would be a better investment for the price. This vid has cooled my enthusiasm for Warcry a decent bit. Some of their critique about the components in the box are nitpicky, but they have some seemingly valid points about the actual game after doing some playtesting over the weekend. The biggest one is that the game more-or-less encourages everyone to just pack out their warbands with the cheapest guys available and win through tying up your opponent. The equipment options, specialisms, CP, and tactics of Kill Team as a skirmish game is folded into the initiative/ability dice and lesser artefacts, which are mostly just randomly rolled one-use heals or minor buffs. Neither side can rely upon their abilities or more experienced models to wipe out chaff, so in their experience it's almost always better to just stall them by forcing your opponent to do a disengage move or attack weaker models, and the same goes for them beating you as well. The starter set warbands even share their leader ability, just with a different name for each, so that cuts down on tactical depth even more. On top of that, the terrain instructions in the box don't actually match how the terrain is assembled and used for the terrain battleplan cards, so you can be screwed out of actually using the game's intended scenario generation if you don't look over all those cards before putting it together. Campaigns can also lead to a snowball effect after one or two wins, because the frontrunner will buy territories that provide extra points for assembling their warband for the entire campaign while the losers will have to blow all their glory just in trying to get the same amount of warband build points for each game or in getting randomly rolled artefacts that may not even be useful. I don't want it to sound like they're just relentlessly slamming the game- they do love the battleplan system and a lot of the individual scenarios within the campaigns, if not the campaign system overall. As for me, I do want to see if having more warbands than just the starter set two will add some depth. However, I think I've gone from "must buy the starter set for the savings," to "Eh, I'll pick up the Iron Golem or Unmade to use as melee mobs in Rangers of Shadow Deep and see how Warcry is shaping up in a few months before I start dropping money on books and cards". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhW-EcuW3Bs
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Jul 21, 2019 23:59
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Clawtopsy posted:Is a Chaos Knight heavy army viable? I will be honest this prompted a double take from me, I had to check what thread I was in. 
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Jul 22, 2019 00:00
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Preem Palver posted:However, I think I've gone from "must buy the starter set for the savings," to "Eh, I'll pick up the Iron Golem or Unmade to use as melee mobs in Rangers of Shadow Deep and see how Warcry is shaping up in a few months before I start dropping money on books and cards". I was hoping for more from the campaign system as well. It dampened my hype a little until I realised that it still looks really good for stand alone games, my group has quite a few warbands to try out (4 legacy factions + the 3 released so far for sure) and the starter set terrain and all of the war cry miniatures themselves look really cool. Just need to make sure I build my terrain correctly to use those cards.
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Jul 22, 2019 00:25
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I wanted Warcry as a vehicle to entry into AoS. If they release some Warcry force bundles for non-chaos factions I'll use those and play Warcry as a build up to a proper force. Otherwise, I'm probably gonna skip.
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Jul 22, 2019 00:52
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Clawtopsy posted:Is a Chaos Knight heavy army viable? I dunno how true it still is but Varanguard used to be real good. Way too expensive though.
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Jul 22, 2019 00:55
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Mugaaz posted:I wanted Warcry as a vehicle to entry into AoS. If they release some Warcry force bundles for non-chaos factions I'll use those and play Warcry as a build up to a proper force. Otherwise, I'm probably gonna skip. You're probably going to skip it then - as far as I can see Warcry doesn't operate like Age of Sigmar but skirmish in the same way that Kill Team does for 40k. And they're not going to release boxes for the old factions that are playable in War Cry because they presumably spent a fair bit of money to make all the new war bands that they want people buying. The old factions being in is a lure to current AoS players.
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Jul 22, 2019 00:58
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Looking at the AOS faction units that made it in to Warcry, they stuck pretty close to start collecting box units.
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Jul 22, 2019 02:02
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Did Luthor Harkon survive the end times? pretty sure he died in a dumb way thats just from my memory of it being talked about in the total war warhammer thread Also, yeah, I'm bummed the Warcry isn't AoS's Killteam and I'm probably going to end up skipping it.
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Jul 22, 2019 02:20
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Certain figures seem like contrast paint was designed to handle. Squigs are a joy to paint with contrast.
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Jul 22, 2019 02:36
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I think them including non Chaos factions at all is very generous of Games Workshop, as Chaos guys dreaming of becoming Chaos Warriors is kinda the entire premise. It is a great excuse for me to do something with the DoK stuff I picked up before the insane expense and level of skin painting required to play them as an army really set in. Would I like my Fyreslayerz to get rules for Warcry? Sure, of course. But as long as they keep putting our rad Chaos Kits I am fine with it. This does feel more like a limited boxed game than Kill Team or especially Necromunda. I could definitely see them just doing one warband for each realm and leaving it at that.
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Jul 22, 2019 14:18
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Hey i'm sorry if this is a dumb question, but is there any rule stopping me from setting up part of a Warscroll Battalion on the field, and keeping part of it in reserve? I'm asking for the sake of running a Soulstrike Brotherhood, where i'd want my Castigators to be on the field a turn before my Hunters, to benefit from the extra attacks the Hunter's striking in would give them. This may be useful turn 1 if i'm playing a very fast army.
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Jul 22, 2019 15:46
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Clawtopsy posted:Is a Chaos Knight heavy army viable? depends on what you mean by knight-heavy. Chaos Knights proper are battleline in Slaves to Darkness armies, so you can go pure cav in that case. They're available as a regular unit in Everchosen, who have their own expensive Chaos Knight+ models that are battleline. Since you can mark them, they can be taken in any of the big four armies as non-battleline unit, which comes with its own considerations. (IE: Khorne has better units for the same job, Tzeentch rules don't particularly benefit them, while Slaanesh seems to have been written with using StD units in mind). in all cases they're considered a little overcosted for what they do but are pretty solid otherwise.
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Jul 22, 2019 15:50
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Re: the Chaos Knight thing, I think it's also reasonable to expect - though I have no way to prove this, obviously - that there's going to be a new Slaves, Everchosen, or somehow combined mortal Chaos tome sooner rather than later. It would make a ton of sense for it to come out the same year as Warcry, since the AoS statlines on the warbands so far are all Slaves. They just padded the models available to that army massively. I think I'd hold off on starting a new mortal Chaos army right now?
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Jul 22, 2019 17:59
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berzerkmonkey posted:Where's the Stormcast thing coming from? It just says he was imprisoned by Sigmar and that he escaped, which would be explained as the thing in the lake in Forbidden Power. With the Egyptian theming of the video and the character needing to be someone from the old world I do think it could be Settra if the lead up story is all about him slowly recovering from the psychic damage his time as a Stormcast caused him and the big release is him coming fully into his power and rebelling against Nagash who has to pay the bone tithe. I think other candidates would be Arkhan getting the spotlight for the event, or the vampire elf that ascended to the elven god of death during the end times and Death is getting a faction of undead elves. Though the elf was a woman so the voiceover makes that seem unlikely.
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Jul 22, 2019 18:31
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Vampire elf during End Times? Wha?
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Jul 22, 2019 19:23
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:With the Egyptian theming of the video and the character needing to be someone from the old world I do think it could be Settra if the lead up story is all about him slowly recovering from the psychic damage his time as a Stormcast caused him and the big release is him coming fully into his power and rebelling against Nagash who has to pay the bone tithe. Arkhan could certainly be the focus of a new box set, but he wasn't trapped by Sigmar. I'd love Settra and a return of the TKs, but it would be a letdown to take Settra's shtick of "serving no one" away, especially after being resurrected by the Chaos gods and and just make them another subfaction of Death, especially since he told Nagash that he was going to have his head after he kicked the Chaos gods asses for having the temerity to resurrect him.
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Jul 22, 2019 20:07
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Nash posted:Vampire elf during End Times? Wha? She was one of the knights that went with Tyrion and Teclis to save the Everchild from Mannfred. Mannfred captures and turns her. Then it turns out this was all part of Likeath’s plan since she needed an elf with a foot in the world of life and the world of death to ascend and become a psycho pomp to all the elf souls that died in the final battle of Ulthuan and deliver them to the realm Lileath created. These are all the elven legacy units you can field in AoS.
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Jul 22, 2019 20:58
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The Jumpoff posted:Hey i'm sorry if this is a dumb question, but is there any rule stopping me from setting up part of a Warscroll Battalion on the field, and keeping part of it in reserve? I'm asking for the sake of running a Soulstrike Brotherhood, where i'd want my Castigators to be on the field a turn before my Hunters, to benefit from the extra attacks the Hunter's striking in would give them. This may be useful turn 1 if i'm playing a very fast army. You can do that. Don't think of it as "keeping part of it in reserve", it is "set up" in reserve (in the Celestial Realm if you want to get fluffy about it). When you set up a battalion, your options are to 1)set it up all at once, 2)set up one or more units, then later set up the rest, or 3)set up the units individually. It doesn't specify that any of that has to be set up on the table or not, and the rules in the Stormcast book for your reserves are on a per unit basis so you get to decide for each unit. Just keep in mind that for the deployment you want to do (2 Hunter units on the table, 2 Castigator and 1 Ballista in heaven) you'll need to have at a unit on the table already to maintain the 1-for-1 rule.
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Jul 23, 2019 02:03
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Thanks for the clarification. I've played 3 games of AoS ever though, and i'm kinda confused about what you meant by this part.Danimo posted:Just keep in mind that for the deployment you want to do (2 Hunter units on the table, 2 Castigator and 1 Ballista in heaven) you'll need to have at a unit on the table already to maintain the 1-for-1 rule. What do you mean by the 1-for-1 rule? Also i didn't realize the Ballista was a Sarcosanct unit, so it's probably a better idea to proc the Battalion effect on the Ballista for that sweet potential 2d6 Hits with the Long Range profile.
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Jul 23, 2019 03:56
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The Jumpoff posted:Thanks for the clarification. I've played 3 games of AoS ever though, and i'm kinda confused about what you meant by this part. The Stormcast Eternal's Scions of the Storm ability (page 117 in their book). Its the ability that let's you set up stuff in the "Celestial Realm". Each time you set up a unit you can set it aside to reserves, but only for each unit unit you place on the battlefield. So for every unit in reserves you must have one on the table and maintain that balance. so for your Soulstrike army you want to put the Castigators and the Ballista in reserve and the Hunters on the table from the start. Thats 2 units on the table, and 3 in reserve, which isn't balanced. So you just deploy a hero or another unit on the table first, then you can set up the Soulstrike battalion as you want. Also you may be misreading the Soulstrike battalion. It procs for each of the Sacrosanct units when they set up from reserve the first time (not just the first one to come down). Its a weird wording but its because there's one or two ways for you to remove them and set them up again (teleport) them in the battletome.
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Jul 23, 2019 05:08
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Mugaaz posted:I think Warcry is cool, but I want to use it as an intro to AoS proper. That means I need them to release KT-esque faction boxes for non-chaos dudes. I'm considering grabbing The Farstriders from Shadespire and a box of Vanguard-Raptors. That'd seem to be a good basis for Warcry and hey, I can get into Shadespire at the same time.
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Jul 23, 2019 06:58
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I have made some more progress on my desert seraphon: I am about done with painting knights for now, they are a pain in the rear end with where the details are.
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Jul 23, 2019 13:16
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So I've a question about depravity points on Slaanesh heroes. If my hero attacks a 3 wound model and does 3 wounds to it and therefore slaying it. Would you get zero points or would you get 2 points as the first two wounds didn't kill the model?
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Jul 24, 2019 23:46
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I think it goes by weapon profile, I think the target has to be alive during the resolution phase of the attack.
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Jul 25, 2019 00:44
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Damage is always assigned 1 point at a time, so 2 depravity points.
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Jul 25, 2019 00:57
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Danimo posted:Damage is always assigned 1 point at a time, so 2 depravity points. This.
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I just got into this game with the Seraphon starter box and I put off buying the battletome because they told me to expect a new one any week now. But with nothing from the open day I don't know what to expect. I don't even know what I should be getting next since the entire army might get rebalanced and my lovely saurus warriors will be worthless. I guess I'll just paint some big beautiful dinos in the meantime.
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