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Casimir Radon posted:I'm real close to explaining that a solid liberal arts education is important to developing well rounded people. Which means people who aren't like him. I like this perpetual myth that the field of study of your undergraduate degree dictates what you do for a living. Other than a few specific (and in many cases, regulated) disciplines like medicine, engineering, and law, nobody cares what you spent your late teens/early 20s learning about for 6 months out of the year.
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Casimir Radon posted:STEM is not the end all be all of existence, and pounding it into kids heads that it is has had bad consequences such as: While I understand it’s not the be-all-end-all, the goal of my thought was to funnel people into professions that serve a societal benefit: scientists, doctors, teachers, etc.
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Jul 22, 2019 17:55
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Proud Christian Mom posted:This is the desired effect And IT. Capital loves all the benefits it has gained from IT automation as a relatively new phenomenon, but it had all these pesky high-cost employees when it was new and no established labor pool. Still profitable to do even then as everyone can see but crushing labor and knee-capping the value of employees is kinda what the system does.
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colachute posted:While I understand it’s not the be-all-end-all, the goal of my thought was to funnel people into professions that serve a societal benefit: scientists, doctors, teachers, etc. Social workers, diplomats, journalists, writers, and entertainers all serve a societal benefit and typically pull from social sciences or humanities. Beyond that, having people with a diverse set of experience and educational backgrounds contributes to a more well-rounded society as a whole.
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colachute posted:While I understand it’s not the be-all-end-all, the goal of my thought was to funnel people into professions that serve a societal benefit: scientists, doctors, teachers, etc.
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Jul 22, 2019 17:58
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facialimpediment posted:I think this is a look into the dystopian future. Wow look at all those trump supporters, PR loves trump!
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https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1153354290058207233?s=19 The military strategist has logged on
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Jul 22, 2019 18:26
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I hope that’s his granddaughter and it’s just a quick peck.
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Jul 22, 2019 18:27
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It's amazing watching people getting the vapors about a man kissing his granddaughter. To spell it out, it's not the same thing as getting cozy with a stranger who isn't consenting to your touch.
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Jul 22, 2019 18:31
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SimonCat posted:It's amazing watching people getting the vapors about a man kissing his granddaughter. It’s the appearance of the kiss being on the lips that’s weird. The angle is bad though so it might not have been. hobbesmaster fucked around with this message at 18:46 on Jul 22, 2019 |
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Jul 22, 2019 18:38
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Kiss your (grand)dad square on the lips
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Jul 22, 2019 18:45
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Casimir Radon posted:
Someone needs to yank the rope on the guillotine
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Jul 22, 2019 18:46
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SimonCat posted:It's amazing watching people getting the vapors about a man kissing his granddaughter. its weird as gently caress dude
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Jul 22, 2019 18:47
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45 ACP CURES NAZIS posted:its weird as gently caress dude Is it less weird than saying youd be dating your daughter if you weren't related?
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Jul 22, 2019 18:49
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:Is it less weird than saying youd be dating your daughter if you weren't related? i don't want either of them in any position of authority, and luckily that won't be the choice, because biden has not united the smokey back-rooms behind him, and the more he's in the public eye, the worse his favorables become
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Jul 22, 2019 18:52
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colachute posted:Re: education chat: If the government just wanted to give free/cheap higher ed in certain fields (STEM and most liberal arts), I would be really cool with that. These fields can allow for the betterment of society (scientists, doctors, engineers, teachers, etc) and I think that’s justification to publicly fund it. We can easily afford to simply pay for everyone's post-HS education. There's no need to numbers fuckenstein it. That said we should ALSO institute reforms that make it so HR departments aren't requiring 4 year degrees for jobs you can do with a high school diploma, that vocational training is seen as just as valid a choice, and to put cost controls on colleges that keep building fancy new gym facilities and hiring more admin staff. But there's no need to restrict which majors are free.
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Casimir Radon posted:STEM is not the end all be all of existence, and pounding it into kids heads that it is has had bad consequences such as: 4. A huge lack of critical thinking in ostensibly educated fields.
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Jul 22, 2019 19:00
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:Is it less weird than saying youd be dating your daughter if you weren't related? "Biden 2020: Somewhat less creepy about blood relatives than Trump!"
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Jul 22, 2019 19:04
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We absolutely won't be reducing the number of positions that previously required a high school diploma but now require a bachelors. High school education is a total loving joke now and while I'm not exactly claiming that another 4 years magically fixes it, if we're going to somehow mandate/encourage HS level education for more jobs you're gonna have to do some serious education overhaul in the process. Plus you'll get plenty of pushback since it's also a class thing, but that has largely shifted to 'needs a graduate degree for the good white collar jobs'.
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Jul 22, 2019 19:19
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Vasudus posted:We absolutely won't be reducing the number of positions that previously required a high school diploma but now require a bachelors. High school education is a total loving joke now and while I'm not exactly claiming that another 4 years magically fixes it, if we're going to somehow mandate/encourage HS level education for more jobs you're gonna have to do some serious education overhaul in the process. Plus you'll get plenty of pushback since it's also a class thing, but that has largely shifted to 'needs a graduate degree for the good white collar jobs'. Yes. Exactly this. Better than throwing up our hands and just admitting that we're gonna waste 4 years of every single member of the workforce's lives.
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Jul 22, 2019 19:25
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increase the number of jobs requiring a high school diploma by increasing the size of our military, bing bong so simple
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Tryzzub posted:increase the number of jobs requiring a high school diploma by increasing the size of our military, bing bong so simple And then train 90% of them on how to do green energy infrastructure and project support. Works for me.
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Jul 22, 2019 19:29
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My mom is/has been a grade/high school teacher for most of her life and hearing her talk about it the municipalities around here treat it like mandatory daycare until the kids turn 18. And going to college myself, it is also a joke.
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Jul 22, 2019 19:31
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I would be overjoyed if we actually switched to a vocational college (with apprenticeships) / university system because it would solve so many issues related to post-secondary education. It's absolutely stupid how the divide exists now.
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Tryzzub posted:increase the number of jobs requiring a high school diploma by increasing the size of our military, bing bong so simple They should've broken out the green new deal into stuff like "green WPA" and so on. Then again republicans would unironically come back with "how dare they suggest we rebuild crumbling infrastructure!"
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Learn to weld
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Jul 22, 2019 19:35
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I know I'm speaking from my white collar, beltway bubble over here but we don't hire people with just HS diplomas. Period. The person that runs the front office at reception on every floor? That person has a four year degree. And on the consulting side, people with only a bachelors are lower labor that *for most fields* will top out at what someone with a graduate degree comes in at often enough. It's pretty crazy.
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Tryzzub posted:increase the number of jobs requiring a high school diploma by increasing the size of our military, bing bong so simple Let's knock it off with this "bing bong so simple" horseshit.
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There are a variety of jobs that currently require too much or too little training. Cops and prison guards should probably require a lot more education (and practical hands on during the training, a la apprenticeship models). Conversely, I'm deeply skeptical that doctors and lawyers need to spend 4 years doing prelaw or premed before they're allowed to actually go to school for it. And the vast majority of jobs that chiefly involve handling paperwork/data don't require a four year degree, IMO.
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One thing I’ve learned is that you can get by in most careers without college since most of it is on the job training anyway. It’s all about being credentialed rather than qualified, which I’m sure helps weed out people who are unqualified but conversely locks out people who definitely are qualified. E: my step dad uses my military service as a talking point against increasing tax payer funded education. Since I had to join up for college, that’s how anyone who wants free college should do it. He graduated from the University of Florida in 1971. Tuition has increased by 160% since then, after you adjust for inflation. colachute fucked around with this message at 19:48 on Jul 22, 2019 |
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Vasudus posted:I know I'm speaking from my white collar, beltway bubble over here but we don't hire people with just HS diplomas. Period. The person that runs the front office at reception on every floor? That person has a four year degree. IT (specifically the infrastructure and security side, not software/hardware development) is fairly agnostic WRT having a post-secondary degree. A lot of HR departments at bigger companies may require it, but it's typically optional and nobody really cares what your degree is in if you do have one. e: At best it would probably let you skip a couple of years of the standard Helpdesk -> Desktop career pipeline checkboxes and slide into a very junior network or systems administrator role, but even then like 80% of that is OJT. psydude fucked around with this message at 19:51 on Jul 22, 2019 |
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Vasudus posted:I know I'm speaking from my white collar, beltway bubble over here but we don't hire people with just HS diplomas. Period. The person that runs the front office at reception on every floor? That person has a four year degree. That's not uncommon. Locally, national labs hire BS' as technicians, mainly. Intel is the same, you want to be an actual engineer you need a PhD. It's not GOOD though, is what I'm saying. We're definitely trending towards "any job that doesn't suck requires a 4 year degree" territory, and I would just like to point out that wastes roughly 34 million man years of productive labor in the US every year (8.5 million young people join the work force yearly)
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psydude posted:IT (specifically the infrastructure and security side, not software/hardware development) is fairly agnostic WRT having a post-secondary degree. A lot of HR departments at bigger companies may require it, but it's typically optional and nobody really cares what your degree is in if you do have one. IT, well, programming has a lot of gatekeeping though. You need work experience or a degree and often you can't get work experience without a degree. Once you get a few years under your belt at the first job you're typically fine though, at least for getting through initial screens. Crakkerjakk posted:That's not uncommon. Locally, national labs hire BS' as technicians, mainly. Intel is the same, you want to be an actual engineer you need a PhD. Ironically these positions pay less than those that do not strictly require a degree at a FAANG.
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:Is it less weird than saying youd be dating your daughter if you weren't related? its not a competition to be more creepy
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jul/22/if-others-have-rifles-well-have-rifles-why-leftist-groups-are-taking-up-arms 'The "AR" in AR-15 stands for "Antifa Rifle"' -Eugene Stoner
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Hot Karl Marx posted:Learn to weld The blue collar learn to code meme
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Dream: I’m going to learn to weld! Reality: reinforcing steel beams on the border wall in the desert on a 6 month non-union contract Dream: I’m going to learn to code! Reality: testing a java app that denies people healthcare 2% faster, get replaced by an H1B after a year
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Finally! https://twitter.com/blakehounshell/status/1153384489835520000?s=19 quote:Vice President Mike Pence was one short plane ride away from shaking hands with an alleged interstate drug dealer.
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most of our labor and thus economic problems can be traced to the degradation of unions. the power is all firmly on the side of capital.
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