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paul_soccer10 posted:shut up nerd bitch
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Villaneuve is a hack, but maybe that'll be okay here. I didnt like his movies because his scripts dont really have actual ideas beyond moodiness, but Frank Herbert's already done all the idea making for this script. Dune's plot is long, full of one weird, highly specific idea after another, and you can't make a Dune movie that's as meandering and dry as br2049.
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RipVTide posted:Villeneuve a talentless hack Take the plunge! Okay! posted:Villeneuve is a talentless hack Schadenboner posted:Not empty-quoting this. DebonaireD posted:Villaneuve is a hack
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Schadenboner posted:Not empty-quoting this. Y'all are loving nuts. Arrival was the best sci-fi movie since Moon, and the story itself is virtually unfilmable. Prisoners was brutal. Sicario was wonderful. 2049 was literally the most anyone could hope for from a Blade Runner sequel, especially one that didn't get made until that long after the original. Saying you don't like his films is one thing. Saying he's a "hack" is just a red-hot spicy take for the purpose of making a red-hot spicy take. You think Roger Deakins works with hacks?
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Phanatic posted:Y'all are loving nuts. Arrival was the best sci-fi movie since Moon, and the story itself is virtually unfilmable. Prisoners was brutal. Sicario was wonderful. 2049 was literally the most anyone could hope for from a Blade Runner sequel, especially one that didn't get made until that long after the original. Saying you don't like his films is one thing. Saying he's a "hack" is just a red-hot spicy take for the purpose of making a red-hot spicy take. You think Roger Deakins works with hacks? Don't feed them, dude.
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paul_soccer10 posted:shut up nerd bitch
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paul_soccer10 posted:shut up nerd bitch
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Phanatic posted:Arrival was the best sci-fi movie since Moon.... 2049 was literally the most anyone could hope for from a Blade Runner sequel, especially one that didn't get made until that long after the original. Maybe the problem is that both of these things are pretty close to true, yet neither film is great. It doesn't help them that the points of comparison, Story of Your Life and Blade Runner, are a lot better. Still really want to see his Dune. Dude who thinks Villeneuve is a hack, I have one word for you: McG.
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Xaintrailles posted:
I'm not going to ask what this means after that whole ligma fiasco
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"M'Sisters."
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What the gently caress is up with the Villeneuve hate today did a GOP cheque not clear at the russian troll farm and they got left to their own devices for the day??
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Xaintrailles posted:Dude who thinks Villeneuve is a hack, I have one word for you: McG. Sure I'll bite, what's this? Phanatic posted:Y'all are loving nuts. Arrival was the best sci-fi movie since Moon, and the story itself is virtually unfilmable. Prisoners was brutal. Sicario was wonderful. 2049 was literally the most anyone could hope for from a Blade Runner sequel, especially one that didn't get made until that long after the original. Saying you don't like his films is one thing. Saying he's a "hack" is just a red-hot spicy take for the purpose of making a red-hot spicy take. You think Roger Deakins works with hacks? I'll check out Prisoners and Sicario, but people defending Arrival just confuses me. 2049 I can at least understand the nostalgia factor and the great cinematography. Based on what I've seen, hack is perhaps upselling him, Raymond Chandler was a hack but what a hack he was. Villeneuve is more of a Salieri if anything.
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Calling anyone else a hack when Failson and Kevin J Anderson are applicable to the topic at hand seems like trying to paint too broadly
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RipVTide posted:Sure I'll bite, what's this? The esteemed director of Terminator: Salvation and Charlie's Angels: Full Throttle, i.e an actual zero-artistic-talent hack.
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Jul 23, 2019 00:28
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Sicario is pretty goddamn chuddy to be putting forward as something other than rightist spank-fic IMO?
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I want to live in the dimension where movies are so good that you can call Villaneuve a hack with a straight face
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ITT: people who don’t know what hack means
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The explanation I remember is that films are a commercial art, and hack-work is when the commercial part is obvious and the art part is obscure. What I've seen of Villeneuve did not seem to be pandering or disjointed.
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lol is phiz leaking into gbs
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Doc Hawkins posted:The explanation I remember is that films are a commercial art, and hack-work is when the commercial part is obvious and the art part is obscure. What I've seen of Villeneuve did not seem to be pandering or disjointed. The problem is that the brooding, thoughtful sci fi summer film with the deep rumbling soundtrack full of mysterious meaning is itself a commercial set of tropes nowadays, and villaneuve trades in those tropes so successfully that pointing out his films dont have interesting characters or good pacing is enough to get you called a russian troll.
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You're allowed to not like things but trying to pass it off as authoritative is dumb bbbb
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Which is to say that Dune is maybe a really good fit for villaneuve! A competent, workmanlike production is what's needed to wrangle a weird, sprawling story. Like how Peter Jackson was a good fit for Lotr.
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Prolonged Priapism posted:Feyd exists only to absorb exposition until his arena fight, which works perfectly as the start of part 2: Hammer home the Harkonnen victory, introduce a fresh antagonist, and summarize part 1 during the Baron's conference with Fenring. Yeah, and so why can't Rabban fill ALL the roles of Feyd? Feyd is just evil Paul, and in the book Rabbans only role is to oppress the population so that Feyd will be well-received. This is because Frank wrote Dune about the dangers of heroes. But in a movie, having too many characters is confusing to the viewers, requires time to introduce them, and requires money to pay the actors. In adaptions there are always composite characters. If you can make one character do the work of two, you are improving both the artistry of the film and it's financial performance. Also I thought part 2 was confirmed? exmachina fucked around with this message at 01:39 on Jul 23, 2019 |
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RipVTide posted:Sure I'll bite, what's this?  Schadenboner posted:Sicario is pretty goddamn chuddy to be putting forward as something other than rightist spank-fic IMO? You literally have no idea what you're talking about; please spare us future poo poo-tier posts in this thread tia
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Doc Hawkins posted:The explanation I remember is that films are a commercial art, and hack-work is when the commercial part is obvious and the art part is obscure. What I've seen of Villeneuve did not seem to be pandering or disjointed. Hear me out, imagine if someone kept calling Kincade 'art', and they just loved the poo poo out of it and couldn't understand why anyone else didn't. Now sure, everyone's entitled to their opinion, but it's just confusing when enough people start getting behind the lukewarm koolaid that you can't see an ounce of talent, message, or depth in. If I tell someone Asimov is facile, even if they love him, they may agree that hey yeah his characters aren't that strong so they'd see where I was coming from (plot twist, Asimov is great). But the level of "OH MY GOD HE'S THE GREATEST EVER NOW LET ME TELL YOU WHY YOU ARE WRONG. HERE IT IS YOU ARE WRONG. THAT'S ALL I GOT" I notice in Villeneuve fans is straight up weird. Just because something is pandering to a crowd you may identify with doesn't mean it isn't pandering. Personally I find it extremely pandering and disjointed, not to mention facile. Now that could certainly be because I have awful taste or something, but that's where I'm coming from. So essentially him making a Dune movie after having to suffer through the awful prequels etc just feels like insult on injury. Not that other people can't like it, I was just wondering if I was the only one who thought differently, because it's starting to feel bizarre.
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DebonaireD posted:Which is to say that Dune is maybe a really good fit for villaneuve! A competent, workmanlike production is what's needed to wrangle a weird, sprawling story. Like how Peter Jackson was a good fit for Lotr. 
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So Brian is the my dad owns a dealership guy
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Alot of David Lynch fanboys getting rowdy in here all of a sudden.
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RipVTide posted:Hear me out, imagine if someone kept calling Kincade 'art', and they just loved the poo poo out of it and couldn't understand why anyone else didn't. Now sure, everyone's entitled to their opinion, but it's just confusing when enough people start getting behind the lukewarm koolaid that you can't see an ounce of talent, message, or depth in. If I tell someone Asimov is facile, even if they love him, they may agree that hey yeah his characters aren't that strong so they'd see where I was coming from (plot twist, Asimov is great). But the level of "OH MY GOD HE'S THE GREATEST EVER NOW LET ME TELL YOU WHY YOU ARE WRONG. HERE IT IS YOU ARE WRONG. THAT'S ALL I GOT" I notice in Villeneuve fans is straight up weird. Tldr
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I have not noticed uncritical Villeneuve stans. Did people like the new blade runner that much? Sicario was not chuddy, though.
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Joe Chill posted:Alot of David Lynch fanboys getting rowdy in here all of a sudden. 
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Doc Hawkins posted:I have not noticed uncritical Villeneuve stans. Did people like the new blade runner that much? On the whole I like 2049 even more than the original. They're both great.
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RipVTide posted:Hear me out, imagine if someone kept calling Kincade 'art', and they just loved the poo poo out of it and couldn't understand why anyone else didn't. Now sure, everyone's entitled to their opinion, but it's just confusing when enough people start getting behind the lukewarm koolaid that you can't see an ounce of talent, message, or depth in. If I tell someone Asimov is facile, even if they love him, they may agree that hey yeah his characters aren't that strong so they'd see where I was coming from (plot twist, Asimov is great). But the level of "OH MY GOD HE'S THE GREATEST EVER NOW LET ME TELL YOU WHY YOU ARE WRONG. HERE IT IS YOU ARE WRONG. THAT'S ALL I GOT" I notice in Villeneuve fans is straight up weird. You are loving weird and very talented at articulating nothing of relevance with the utmost precision.
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Joe Chill posted:Alot of David Lynch fanboys getting rowdy in here all of a sudden.
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Take the plunge! Okay! posted:Villeneuve is a talentless hack. He is technically competent and everything he makes is really slick
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RipVTide posted:Hear me out, imagine if someone kept calling Kincade 'art', and they just loved the poo poo out of it and couldn't understand why anyone else didn't. Now sure, everyone's entitled to their opinion, but it's just confusing when enough people start getting behind the lukewarm koolaid that you can't see an ounce of talent, message, or depth in. If I tell someone Asimov is facile, even if they love him, they may agree that hey yeah his characters aren't that strong so they'd see where I was coming from (plot twist, Asimov is great). But the level of "OH MY GOD HE'S THE GREATEST EVER NOW LET ME TELL YOU WHY YOU ARE WRONG. HERE IT IS YOU ARE WRONG. THAT'S ALL I GOT" I notice in Villeneuve fans is straight up weird. 
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RipVTide posted:having to suffer through the awful prequels Just another day at the sci-fi gulag being forced to read books
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