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Season 4, Episode 4 - The WeightJohnny Sack posted:Is it... is it all just about money? Johnny Sack is having a drink with his driver/bodyguard Joey Peeps in Little Italy when he overhears laughter and spots Donny K nearby sharing a joke with the bartender. Donny notices Johnny and raises his glass and gives a nod, but Johnny ignores him, dismissing him to Joey as just some New Jersey guy. He knows exactly who he is though, a member of Ralph Cifaretto's crew, and Joey bringing up the fact that Ginny used to be a dancer only causes his rage to build. When Donny leaves the bar (again with a respectful nod to Johnny), Johnny leaves the bar, ignoring Joey's story aobut a recent romantic conquest with a girl who liked to dress up in full costume from Cats. He follows Donny to his car, calling after him, and when Donny turns and greets him... he punches him right in the face. Donny doesn't react like Ralphie did when Tony did the same, he's shocked at the treatment but he makes no attempt to fight back, knowing it would be suicide to do so. Instead he simply shouts at Johnny to stop as the beating continues, Johnny wrestling him to the ground, punching him into unconsciousness and then kicking his prone body. Joey rushes up, horrified at what Johnny is doing to another Made guy, while Johnny with great satisfaction asks the unconscious Joey if "it" is so funny now, referring to the joke Ralphie made about Ginny. Offering to "buy him a drink", he whips his dick out and pisses all over Donny, Joey simply standing and watching in shock. At the Sacrimoni home, Ginny is weighing herself when she hears the door open downstairs. Heading down, she is shocked that his Burberry coat is covered in blood and his hand is bleeding. With great warmth and genuine love, he doesn't shout or blast at her for questioning him, he just lightly chides her for "the inquisition" while promising he simply slipped on the stairs outside of Carmine's after having too many cognacs, and insists she go back to sleep. There is no rage or anger evident in him at all, and though Ginny is no fool and looks concerned, she also has no reason to doubt him: he has never given her any reason to doubt the veracity of what he tells her. On the flip side is Tony and Carmela, listening to cousin Brian as he gives financial planning advice the next day at the Soprano home. He's keen to get them investing their money and growing it, as is Carmela. She also likes the idea of the cash being accessible to both of them if needed (or rather, should Tony die and she need to get hold of it) but Tony is clearly checked out, eating the baking and nodding along to be polite. When Brian tries to schedule an appointment for getting them started on the process of reinvesting their money though, he's quick to throw the brakes on, insisting that he pass this by his accountant first. Carmela is irritated and Brian is clearly disappointed, but the latter has the good sense to say absolutely the right thing to Carmela, that getting a second opinion is a good idea. The phone rings and AJ calls down that Silvio is on the phone, and Tony is eager to use this excuse to break away from the meeting. He's less pleased however when he gets on the phone and hears about what happened to Donny K the night before.   Tony screeches to a half outside the union office where Johnny sometimes "works" and barrels straight up the stairs and into the break room where he demands of an utterly calm Johnny a "What the gently caress?", why the hell did he beat the poo poo out of Donny K? Johnny isn't intimidated by Tony, even if he is technically outranked by him, wandering away with his tea offering an indifferent reminder that Donny works for Ralph, not for Tony. Tony, angry enough for both of them, reminds HIM that Ralph works for Tony so he asks again: What. the. gently caress? NOW Johnny gets angry, but over a bullshit excuse: he and Carmine both know that Ralph is holding out on them, he's faking receipts for Fernandez Paving so he can keep a little bit back for himself over the money that is supposed to be going to them. Tony is baffled, even if this was true, they're talking about 12k on a project making them all MILLIONS, and even so, THIS is the way he chooses to handle it? Johnny, smug now, settling down behind his desk and projecting utter confidence, proclaims it was a message. Tony, just as angry as ever, points out that Ralph is in Miami and a more effective message would be to... you know, ring him up on the phone and tell him. But what finally breaks Tony's anger and turns his scowl into a calm smile (which as noted many times before is when you should start being scared) is when Johnny smirks that Ralph has such a bad history he could turn up dead. Suddenly Tony is relaxed, his body language has changed, his angry demands have become quizzical inquiries, and Johnny finally realizes he's taken things too far. His arrogance drops and finally the truth comes out, as he denies that he and Ralph are friends because of what he said about Ginny, and repeats back the joke about the mole. Tony, who was there when it happened, is momentarily at a loss for words. 1000 things must be buzzing through his head competing for attention: did Johnny know he was there? That he laughed? How does Johnny know? Who told him? What else has he told him? Does he have a turncoat in his crew? Why is Johnny talking to somebody behind his back etc? But he quickly recovers, after a momentary pause he leans back in his seat and declares that this is deplorable, and that IF Ralph did say it then Tony didn't hear it, because he knows better than to say something like that when TONY is around. Johnny notes how Ginny has struggled with her weight since the kids were born, and Tony commiserates, pointing out his own weight issues. But Johnny knows it is different for women, that there are all kinds of societal pressures and self-esteem issues to be dealt with. But the thing is, he himself never cared about her weight, he finds her beautiful regardless of her size, in fact he considers her Rubenesque. Now Tony's anger is truly gone, he empathizes with Johnny on the issue of his wife (and to his credit, though he did laugh at Ralphie's joke, he was also the only one to comment that it was somewhat inappropriate at the time) and he won't deny that Ralph can be an rear end in a top hat... but beating Donny K and threatening to have Ralph murdered? Sure Ginny is the mother of Johnny's children, but given how far back they all go together, surely he can at least consider a sit-down? Johnny's own rage (hidden behind smug self-control) has broken thanks to the two mobsters actually sitting and talking about what was bothering him, and now he considers for perhaps the first time how inappropriate his beatdown of Donny was. He admits that while he saw Donny laughing, he has no idea if it was over the Ginny joke, and when he learns he is still unconscious and lives with his mother, Johnny promises to send her something nice, the closest thing to an apology a man in his position is ever likely to make. He and Tony embrace, and for the moment it seems as if an escalation has been narrowly avoided thanks to healthy communication.  Furio has arrived at the Soprano house to pick up Tony, having had no idea that Tony had raced out already to confront Johnny. Carmela apologizes to him but asks him to join her for a coffee while they wait for him to return, asking how things are going at his new house. Unfortunately this isn't a happy subject, Furio is annoyed at his neighbor (who he dismissively refers to as simply "The Pakistani" as if ethnicity alone is his entire identity) raising an objection to his plan to turn his garage into a guest bedroom so his parents can visit from Italy. Carmela is sympathetic but admits that even though the previous owner didn't mention the zoning laws to him, her recent study for her Real Estate License informs her that this is not considered illegal. She grabs her exam book to go through as Furio tells her he is planning a housewarming next week, and she sits down next to him to point out the relevant section of text, the two of them sitting very close, smiling, practically touching, drawn between looking into each other's eyes and away, all while Tony is nowhere nearby. At Columbia, a woman named Saskia is explaining to a group of gathered students that include Meadow Soprano about volunteering at the Law Center and all the good work that is done there. She tells anybody who wants more information to sign up and come down and see what they do there, and Meadow - amused by Saskia's comment about College largely being a 4 year audition for Grad School - signs up. At the Bada Bing, Christopher is playing pool in the back while he, Tony and Silvio discuss the incident with Johnny Sack. Not the beating of Donny K, but the - for them - far more troubling aspect of who told him about the joke. There were at least 15 guys at that dinner, but why would any of them tell Johnny about the joke? To get in good with New York? But who would need to? Patsy has had problems in the past for sure but none of them think he's that clever (gee, I wonder why he's frustrated), but maybe Albert? Christopher suggests the FBI could be bugging Vesuvio's and might have told Johnny simply to create a little "dysentery" among the ranks. Silvio and Tony both dismiss that idea as silly, despite the fact that the FBI basically did pull this on Tony himself back in season one. Tony has good reason though, Vesuvio's get swept for bugs once a week (how does Charmaine feel about that?) AND there was plenty more damaging things said there than a joke about Ginny's fat rear end. Silvio leaves to meet with the liquor inspector and, once he is gone, it is Tony himself who asks Christopher whether he thinks Silvio might be the one trying to get in good with Johnny. Christopher admits you can't discount it, and Tony looks upset but can't deny it, after all the last two episodes have shown Silvio has some major simmering resentment going on. Melfi attends a therapy session with Elliot Kupferberg where the subject of discussion is Melfi's son Jason. Now in his fourth year of college, he has become aimless and disinterested in his studies, and Melfi is understandably concerned. Elliot points out that Senior year is often a time of stress due to seeing "the light at the end of the tunnel", but admits his own daughter - Saskia - has remained highly motivated, and immediately offers a Yiddish phrase to make sure things stay that way, completely unaware she's been happily telling second year students that College is largely a waste of time. He asks about Richard and learns that he and Jason barely talk anymore, and after a little gentle prodding she admits it has been that way since she was raped. Elliot sees this as extremely significant, Jason may be lashing out over guilt for being unable to avenge what happened to her, and resents Richard for the same failing.   Ralphie returns from Miami to his storefront office, where Vito and Eugene have been sitting around at the poker table. Tony is on his way to see him about Johnny Sack, but the subject of Donny never comes up once as they discuss Miami and then Ralphie gleefully lies to them about his relationship with Janice Soprano. He's admitted the breakup, but they think HE broke it off with her, and he explains to their shocked reactions that the breaking point came when she told him she wanted to roleplay a pimp and jam a dildo up his rear end, and he told her to get the gently caress out of here! They laugh in disbelief at such a ridiculous thing and he admits that the whole family are nuts, which is when Tony comes knocking at the door and suddenly they're all smiles and hugs and respect for the guy they were just badmouthing. Ralphie sends Vito and Eugene to his house with his luggage to open it up and air the place out, and once they're gone he enthusiastically offers some Florida oranges he picked up for Tony. Tony thanks him but immediately asks about Donny, and Ralphie's face falls and he admits(lies) that he was just asking Vito and Eugene about that, and his next planned stop was to the hospital to get the full story. He also claims that he has no memory of even cracking that joke about Ginny, which disgusts Tony since he was right there when it happened and he's not interested in any bullshit. In fact he's not even particularly worried about the fact Johnny knows either, or at least not as much as what REALLY bothers him: somebody from their Family is gossiping to the Lupertazzis. Ralphie continues to insist he doesn't remember making the joke, blaming it on the wine, and if he was half as smart as he thinks he is he'd remember he's offering Tony a variation of the same excuse he made to him for beating Tracee to death (it was the coke). Not only that, mistaking Tony's concern for who the inside-man is for a lack of concern for Johnny's hurt feelings, he goes ahead and makes ANOTHER joke about Ginny being fat. It would be comical if Ralphie wasn't such a piece of poo poo, because he's incredibly transparent but thinks he's a genius. The REAL smart guy (at least by comparison, he's certainly dumb as gently caress in other situations) is Tony, who recognizes the bigger picture and understands how to play things which way as necessary. He has bigger fish to fry, reminding Ralphie that Carmine is the Underboss and thus deserves respect, but that does NOT mean an apology. Rather, Tony wants to bait the identity of the inside man out and an apology would be an admission that the joke was made. He wants Ralphie to call Johnny but to be outraged, to not apologize but to pit his word against that of a guy hiding in the shadows. So Ralph calls, getting Ginny on the phone and immediately showcasing unknowingly to Tony yet again his unctuous, oily, two-faced side as he flirts with her after all his horrible jokes at her expense. She puts Johnny on and he moves into the other room as she works busily away on allotting her carefully weighted portions of chicken breast and salad. Ralphie at first follows Tony's direction, explaining how appalled he is, that he'd never say anything like that about Ginny, demanding to know who accused him of this so he can face them man-to-man etc. Tony, who is listening in on another line, encourages him, nodding along, expressing surprise but admiration when Ralphie smoothly brings up the fact that Johnny was the voice of reason during his problems with Tony last year. But when Johnny proves completely immune to Ralphie's attempted charm, Ralphie fails to heed Tony's silent, calm nod to continue along in the same vein. Instead he plays right into Johnny's hands, as he reminds Johnny that it was he who suggested he apologize to Tony, which causes Johnny to ask if that means he means to apologize to him now? Tony, seeing the obvious trap, silently mouths,"NO!" and waves Ralphie off, but Ralphie as always thinks he is the smartest guy in the room and waves a dismissive, confident hand at Tony and tells Johnny that yes, if that is what it takes, he will apologize. Tony's (silent) reaction is, needless to say, not an endorsement:  Johnny hangs up on him after calling him a thief and a lying, loving prick whose head he should have let Tony chop off a year ago. Tony grabs the phone off of Ralph and jabs a finger at him, yelling a reminder that he told him NO apology, and Ralphie for once doesn't have a comeback, he knows he completely screwed this one up AND he did it right in front of Tony while IGNORING Tony's guidance. But Ralphie isn't the only one to make a fool of himself in front of his Boss. Johnny leaves home and goes to one of the businesses that Carmine uses as a front, a bar where the man himself is reading his paper and enjoying a meal. He gets straight to the point: he wants Carmine to sanction a hit on Ralph. Carmine's reaction is the expected one, asking if he's kidding him, not even considering the idea even after Johnny tells him that Ralph violated Ginny's honor ("Ralph slept with Ginny?" asks a confused Carmine) by telling an insensitive joke about her to "some friends of ours". He doesn't want to repeat the joke itself, but Carmine rightly notes that his word is NOT good enough if he wants to actually murder somebody over it. So Johnny finds himself in the bizarre position of not only telling the joke that offended him so much, but then having to explain it, to the point that he actually half-laughs himself at how ludicrous it is in spite of his offense. Carmine, who obviously still doesn't understand the humor but at least gets that it is disrespectful, agrees that it was highly inappropriate... but not murder inappropriate. No, he'll tax Ralphie for it and he'll make him pay big, at least $200,000, that is a commensurate response. Johnny is appalled, and asks if it is really all just about money? 200k for insulting his wife? What's next, he gets to gently caress her for a million? Carmine is confused, Ralph wants to gently caress her? Johnny is becoming more frustrated, but as his anger grows, Carmine's calm and unemotional reaction holds firm. He takes the time to sip his coffee, settle in his chair, then look up at John and remind him that there are millions of dollars at stake with the Esplanade and Ralphie is an integral part of that. Revolted, outraged, but also completely impotent, Johnny saves what face he can by demanding a sitdown with Ralph and Tony so they can sort out the Fernandez Paving issues, then storms out leaving behind a still calm - but concerned - Carmine. Only it's not Johnny's honor or Ginny that is worrying him, it's that money. "Is it... is it all just about money?" Johnny asked Carmine, and it was a line designed to hit Carmine hard, to make him feel bad for putting money over honor and respect and rank etc. But the thing is... it IS all about money, and it always has been. Make no mistake, every little ceremony and rule and rank and tradition that the gangsters espouse is complete bullshit, a system put in place to hide their greed, to put structure to their systems in order to funnel the money eternally upwards. Tony said it himself when he ranted about the "respectable" people who tried to exploit Italian-Americans who weren't going to put up with it in the New World.... before freely admitting that yes the Italian-Americans wanted a little piece of action too. Ralphie insulted Johnny's wife. That's bad. But Ralphie also brings in lots of money, and that's good. Which one outweighs the other? When it comes to the mob, the thing that brings greenbacks with it is always what is going to have the most weight (no Ginny pun intended).   In Meadow's dorm room (a new one, no Caitlin), Meadow meets with Rahimah, a Muslim woman she met at the Law Center who is telling her about a male friend (relative?) who was beaten for "immorality" for having a photo of Britney Spears. Meadow is distracted when she spots her father walking by the door, calling to him. He emerges with a sheepish grin, admitting he got lost. He's brought donuts, explaining he is in the city for a meeting (the sitdown) later but thought he'd see her first. She's happy to see him (presumably they've made up since they thought she'd fled to Europe) and gives him a kiss, then introduces him to Rahimah who excuses herself and departs. Tony is pleased to see she has a framed family photo from her graduation party, and asks her about the South Bronx Law Center, which Carmela told him she is volunteering at (so she's made up with Carmela too). He's being friendly but also casually racist as always, referring to Rahimah as Rahoomi, saying the Law Center clients are "fare beaters" etc. But he spots when he is going too far and for once pulls back, complimenting her on her desire to help, it is a noble act... but also can't help throwing out a warning and a tired old Boomer fallback that the "indigenous types" are often "very well off" and have plenty of money to smoke crack and gamble. When she throws a sarcastic comment back at him that he ought to know, he assumes that she's working with minorities now to get back at him for being mean to Noah. It's kinda amazing that he's being typically narcissistic here but also for perhaps the first time actually refers to Noah by name. The subtitles actually list him as saying Noel but I'm pretty sure they just misheard what Tony says, in any case, at least he went with a name rather than calling him something incredible racist! Perhaps because of the recent issues with Ralph and Johnny, or maybe because he's still concerned about her taking off to Europe, or maybe just because he actually recognizes he's being a dick... Tony actually sees the funny side when she takes a dig at his ego, and that makes her laugh too, and suddenly all the tension is gone. Being Tony, he of course decides to demonstrate his love via money, and offers to take her out shopping, sure that there is something she needs. She's happy to accept the offer in the spirit it is intended. His business with Meadow done, Tony heads down to the underground carpark and walks unconcerned directly down the middle of the lane. A car pulls in behind him and, rather rudely it must be admitted, pulls up right tight behind him. Tony turns to stare at the driver, who motions to him to get out of the lane. Tony, realizing what he wants, nods but gestures that his own car is only a couple vehicles down. So he keeps on walking RIGHT DOWN THE MIDDLE OF THE LANE, not bothering to take the two steps to the right he'd need to, selfishly taking up the whole space. The driver is understandably irritated, after all there's no need to do this no matter how close the car is, but again demonstrates this in a needlessly passive aggressive way by bumping right up close to Tony yet again. NOW Tony is upset, turning and grunting at the driver to take it easy. Inside the car, Elliot Kupferberg quickly throws up his hands in a sign of non-aggression, and sits passively, impotently in his car as Tony takes his sweet time strolling to his car. This marks the only interaction the two will ever have in the entire series, and neither will ever know the significance of the other in their lives. Tony arrives at the bar, where he and Ralphie sit at one table, Johnny at the other, waiting for Carmine to emerge from the toilet to they can begin. Tony and Johnny make smalltalk about traffic, Johnny not appreciating Ralphie's attempt to chime in. Carmine emerges at last, eager to get everything sorted, and Ralphie immediately launches into his bullshit excuse for the skimming at Fernandez Paving, saying they investigated and discovered the accountant had been adding 50 gallons of sealant every 1000 yards. Johnny tries to listen but finally can't take it anymore, and he gets up from his chair, screaming at Ralphie when he tries to approach him. He apologizes to Carmine but says he can't do this, and walks right out of the bar. Notably, when Tony turns and looks at Carmine with a,"Well what can I do?" look, Carmine returns it straight back to him, admitting openly that Johnny is being unreasonable. Still at Columbia, Elliot walks with his daughter Saskia, probing her for a little inside info on Jason. She admits that he's acted weird towards her ever since she came out, shaking her head at the fact that she actually kissed him once. When he tells her that Melfi is worried about him, she laughs it off, saying he's a typical psychiatrist's kid, knowing exactly what to say to get attention when he wants it. Elliot can't help but throw an uncertain look his daughter's way, after all she's a psychiatrist's kid too. Back at home, Tony comes downstairs where he finds Carmela working on the household bills. He grabs some crumb cake and joins her at the table, upset when she accuses him of not caring about the future of the family. He points out he met with her cousin, but she notes that all he did was sit, eat and make wisecracks. Remember earlier I mentioned he's very smart sometimes and dumb as gently caress others? This is one of the latter, as he openly tells Carmela that this financial stuff is boring to him. She stares open-mouthed in shock and then shakes her head, and Tony has a brief moment where he realizes he hosed up before he pushes that aside and doubles down, asking if she is going to cry now? She clearly wants to but she holds herself together, wanting to thrash this out with him without resorting to tears. So she explains that when he trivializes these important things, it makes her feel unloved, and he says something that is extremely true but also EXTREMELY loving STUPID TO SAY, accusing her of equating love with money. She's astonished, because of couse she thinks (and is right) that HE is the one who equates love and money, and tells him so. The fact they're both right is beside the point, and you can tell both instantly regret having said it to the other as they silently go back to eating/working on the bills respectively, simmering in resentment for the other.  Another attempt is made at a sitdown, this time NOT involving Ralph. Tony is joined by Silvio this time, and along with Carmine and Johnny they've set up a one-time use phone ("Like the Taliban used to do!") so they can bring in Junior Soprano (still technically the Boss of the crew) for a high level breakdown of the ongoing issues and hopefully come to a resolution. At Junior's, Bobby has set up the phone for him but then quickly leaves, explaining to the irritated Junior that he has to go with his son to pick up his daughter. Junior, chewing on snacks the whole time, is enjoying getting to be involved but is also eager just to chat, asking Carmine (who is also distracted, his daughter-in-law is bringing over his new granddaughter soon) how much his own RICO trial cost him since Junior's is sending him to the poorhouse. "A lot" is Carmine's simple reply. They finally get back on track, but if Johnny was mad at Carmine and Junior's distraction, he's more concerned about the fact Tony and Silvio turn the discussion to the fact that somebody from Tony's Family is talking behind their back to Johnny. Because he's outright admitted he got this inside information but can't admit where he got it from without exposing his own meddling in New Jersey affairs he has no right to be involved in. Junior backs Tony, not because he's his nephew but because he has a point, but Carmine wants to keep things simple: Ginny was insulted, what is to be done? Johnny again demands that he gets to avenge his honor, and this time Tony agrees... if he'll tell him who the inside man is, so he can bring him to the sitdown, and if this person corroborates what was said, then Tony will hand Ralphie over to Johnny on a silver platter. Tony Soprano: An idiot with his wife, a master with his colleagues. Johnny is completely hosed here and he knows it, Tony and Silvio of course are looking at him expectantly, but when he turns to Carmine he gets the same look: Carmine thinks this is a completely reasonable course of action. Because of course Carmine does NOT know what Johnny has been doing with Paulie behind his back, because it isn't something Carmine would consider either appropriate or necessary. Johnny has been sticking his nose into New Jersey affairs unbidden, perhaps simply out of boredom, and now he can't admit to the one thing that might give him the shot against Ralphie he wants. So he resorts to the tried and true, evoking emotion by reminding them this is his wife they're talking about, he has a right to be upset and demand retribution. He decries the way their "thing" has fallen, that they bend more rules than the Catholic Church now, that years ago he wouldn't have even had to ask for permission. But Tony points out that even if the insult happened, it doesn't warrant a hit, and Carmine puts his foot down on that: there will be NO hit. Johnny can't believe they're all siding with Ralph on this, pointing out that the Esplanade isn't THAT hard to handle, they could put Eugene in charge and still make plenty of money! But Carmine is adamant, reminding John yet again that yes this IS all about the money, and then makes as concrete a position as it is possible to make: Either name a price or get the gently caress over it. John sits in a daze, feeling like the world has gone mad, and quietly he stands up and for the second time in a row walks out on his Boss and a sitdown in disgust. With him gone, Junior finally chimes in with what is actually an incredibly reasonable suggestion: why not get a piece of Ralphie's company? He has no idea that Johnny is gone, or that he'd have likely dismissed the (quite good!) idea immediately anyway. He's the only one present with no idea of what a giant breach of protocol the Underboss of the Lupertazzi Family has just made to his Boss.   The next morning Tony is woken in bed by his cellphone ringing. He answers and is shocked to hear Carmine on the other end, lying to him that he was "doing something" rather than admit that he's still asleep. Carmine tells him that he took John to dinner last night in an attempt to calm him down, and he's concerned that the issue might not be as resolved as he'd hoped. He's gotten the impression John plans to go ahead with the Hit despite explicitly being told no. Tony is concerned and asked what Carmine means to do about it, and Carmine proceeds to teach HIM a lesson about being smart when it comes to their "thing". Saying nothing, expressing no point of view or perspective, never once telling Tony what to do or what he wants done, Carmine still manages to make it explicitly clear that he values the money of the Esplanade over his decades long relationship with Johnny. He makes it clear that nothing can be allowed to upset that, including Johnny. He makes it clear that as long as Johnny is alive, the chance of the Esplanade being upset exists. He makes it clear that he himself will do nothing to prevent that, but that he wants it prevented. Tony lies in his bed, not quite able to believe what he is (not) hearing, and Carmine hangs up having delivered his message loud as a bell without saying a thing. Tony goes to the Bada Bing's back office where he discusses this with Silvio, Ralph and Christopher. He can't believe it, he has a 20 year relationship with Johnny himself but the message is clear: He has to go. Christopher points out that this is all over a stupid joke and they all turn to look at Ralph who sighs, puts down his drink and agrees that it was a stupid joke... but it was JUST a joke. Hell, haven't they all made jokes about Ginny's weight too? "Not like that!" they protest angrily, in spite of the fact they all have (as has Paulie, who told Johnny in the first place). When Ralph continues to insist that it's all an overreaction and Johnny is acting like Walter Raleigh, Tony becomes furious with him not for the first (or last) time and gets right in his face, roaring and jabbing, telling him he's sick of his stupid remarks. He demands he go back to Miami to do "whatever the gently caress you do down there" and leave the rest of them to clean up his mess and "maybe" keep his rear end alive. Ralphie actually has the temerity to sulk as he leaves the office, in spite of the fact they're literally going to murder the Underboss of one of the Five Families with the implicit blessing of that Family's Boss just to keep Ralphie of all people alive. Tony visits with Junior, where he tells him the joke that kicked all this off and Junior... doesn't get it, what's so funny about that? Tony admits you had to be there, and Junior comments that Johnny has a point, back in the day he wouldn't have had to ask permission to kill Ralphie over this. Tony also admits that he doesn't like Ralph, but both he and Junior are in full agreement that he doesn't have any choice but to stand in defense of one of his Captains. Junior appreciates Carmine for being a slippery gently caress, but they also consider the potential that Carmine himself may not have seen. With a competent Underboss like Johnny out of the way, the likely successor in the role would be Carmine's son, who Tony refers to as "Brainless the Second" (we'll find out more about this glorious idiot in a later episode) and that would be a good thing for their ability to get one over on the Lupertazzis. But first they need to figure out how to get rid of Johnny without raising suspicions, since Carmine is going to position himself for complete deniability. John does frequently visit his father in Boston, they could get it done there? Junior advises he use Lou Dimaggio, the head of a family of (aging) assassins: The Atwell Avenue Boys. He tells an amusing story about how they worked for Lenny Caputo in the 1950s when EVERYBODY was getting rich off of heroin, but Caputo wouldn't let them touch it, claiming it was immoral. Except after 15 years of this he got arrested and they discovered he'd been selling all along, selling various associates down the river to the authorities to stay out of prison. Caputo himself was found beaten to death with a baseball bat, which is how Lou Galina became known as Lou Dimaggio. It's a fun story, Tony enjoying hearing it as much as Junior enjoys telling it. Except, of course as always, there is a darker element beneath the surface fun of the story. Lou Dimaggio didn't just beat Lenny Caputo to death with a baseball bat, he beat Lenny's wife to death as well. That Junior includes this fact without concern and that Tony hears it with a smile is indicative of just how completely screwed up the moral compass of these guys can be. Tony follows up on Junior's advice, sending Silvio and Christopher to Boston to set it up. Christopher is a little disgruntled that they're not gonna get to be the ones to kill Johnny, insisting they could do it "ninja style". A blind woman answers the door, thinking they're the local priest, and invites them in when they explain they're here to see Lou Dimaggio. Inside the unsettling house festooned with religious images and symbols, Silvio makes sure Christopher walks ahead of him as they enter the living room and find something out of a horror film. Lou is old and blind, his useless eyes pointing in different directions. His sons/brothers/nephews sit around him, one strapped to an oxygen tank, the youngest greasy-haired and eager to service, happily telling an uneasy Christopher that his name is also Chris and conspiratorially explaining that blindness runs in the family. With alarming openness they talk about previous hits, including one in which they knocked a guy out and cut off his head, offering to do the same to Johnny. Silvio assures them they need nothing that "overstated", they just want him to disappear the next time he is in town. They hand over a photo of Johnny (perversely, it's a photo of a birthday part with Johnny and Tony embracing like great friends) and half of the 20k promised and quickly make their excuses to leave as the priest arrives. It's Chris Galina's birthday and they're having cake, and he's disappointed to see them going so soon, but they explain they have a long drive ahead of them. Christopher is relieved to be going, put off balance by the blind Lou's immediate assessment that he was on drugs, but not as much as Silvio who is already long gone by the time Christopher has managed to get his sunglasses back on.   Ginny is cutting up some fruit for a meal when John walks in looking for his sweater, and she tells him it shrunk in the wash so she was going to give it away to goodwill. He reminds her he told her he intended to give it to his dad the next time he went to Boston, so she tells him where to find it in the bag she has set aside. Joey Peeps calls, it appears things are also in motion on his end, as he is similarly taking advantage of Ralphie being out of town to arrange a third party hitman to make him disappear. Joey has ascertained exactly where "our friend with the paving problem" is staying, so Johnny tells him to send somebody around tomorrow to "clean it up", assuring Joey that despite not having the "pope's permission" he'll deal with the fallout. He hangs up and gives Ginny a kiss, telling her to enjoy her fruit salad with low-fat whipped cream. Carmela is doing another runthrough of her real estate exam prep when she notices a section on pre-existing non-conforming structures. Excited, she goes around to Furio's (bringing a reluctant AJ with her as a buffer/shield from any appearance of impropriety) and knocks on his door, lying that they just happened to be in the neighborhood when he comes around the side of the house and greets them ("No we weren't!" complains a tactless AJ). He brings them into the back where we was working in the yard, clearing space to plant vines and make his own wine. She tells AJ to stand in place, promising she'll only be five minutes when he complains he needs the toilet, and like a million kids before him he stands in bored hell waiting for his mother to have a conversation with somebody he doesn't know and doesn't care about. Furio and Carmela look over his yard, and with genuine pleasure Furio tells her about his youth in Naples when he worked as a landscaper for a rich man, and found a peace and serenity he has never known since but he hopes to recapture here. Carmela listens rapt as this beautiful, young, muscular man with hair out of a romance novel cover talks about his emotions to her. Catching herself, she looks over at her son to remind herself NOT to throw herself at this Italian hunk and brings up the Ginny brings Johnny his Burberry coat, just back from the cleaner's where they have gotten all the blood out. They say a loving goodbye and he gets into his car and drives away, smoking and listening to pop music when he suddenly remembers he forgot the sweater. In Miami, Ralphie is relaxing by the pool, and one of the workers puts through a call to the man who has been sent in to "clean it up". Johnny returns home for the sweater, Ginny nowhere to be seen. Worried by the unlocked front door, he moves about the house in search of her, trying downstairs... where he finds her on her knees by the laundry basket. He approaches, more confused than ever by her actions and attitude. When she nervously wipes the side of her mouth he becomes suspicious, and she can only let out the tiniest protest as he pulls the clothes aside to reveal... a box overflowing with hidden chocolates and sweets she has been gorging on. He is horrified, outraged, confused, shocked, furious. Flipping the box and spilling the food on the floor, he demands to know what she is doing, what happened to her diet? She offers lame explanations but can't explain he was barely gone 10 minutes and she was stuffing her face. But his rage isn't directed at her, but at himself. He shakes her and demands if she knows what she has done, but is venting at his own foolishness. Yes the joke was inappropriate and cruel, but a large part of his rage stemmed from how hard Ginny was trying to lose weight. Now he knows she has been faking, it has taken the wind out of his sails. He still doesn't like Ralph, he still considers him scum, but not scum worth killing. Because Ginny is fat, she is overweight, and she's that way because she eats too much, and the rear end in a top hat who made fun of her for that is just an rear end in a top hat, but not somebody who MUST die for being an rear end in a top hat. When Ginny sobs that she sees how the men look at the other wives, his anger breaks and he reminds her that HE looks at HER that way, and always has. He loves her, he is proud of her, and the diets and the plans and the fads were always her idea, he never needed or wanted her to do any of that. He embraces her, overflowing with love for his wife, and she hugs him back tight, a man and a woman whose love for each other has never faded since they first married. In Miami, Ralphie leaves poolside and heads to the lift to go to his room. Inside the elevator is an Asian man on the phone with a client, who has just called to tell him the job he had to do is off despite the fact he's come all this way to do it. He tells his client he wants half anyway, gets that confirmed and hangs up. The lift goes up to the 10th floor and Ralphie gets off, the Asian man staring at him the entire time. Ralphie leaves, then stops and looks back and the guy is STILL staring at him. "What's your loving problem?" Ralphie demands, but the Asian man simply stands and stares as the door closes, and Ralphie is left none the wiser just how close he came to having his brains blown out by this hitman who just received a phonecall from Joey Peeps.   At Furio's housewarming, everybody is gathered inside eating and drinking and having a wonderful time. Carmela and Gabriela wonder by pure chance into his bedroom, where Carmela instantly notices a framed picture of him and a woman (Annalisa) and stares at it with a smile that looks just a bit too forced. Downstairs, Meadow likes the fact he has CDs of music direct from Italy, while AJ complains that he's bored out of his mind. Furio leads the housewives downstairs after showing them around upstairs, and tells a glum Bobby not to leave, insisting he at least come and have some food. While Tony, Silvio and Christopher ponder what is going on with Johnny who hasn't yet left New York, AJ makes his own fun by taking Bobby's son and another kid outside to the garage and promises him there are toys inside Furio said he could have. Robert (yes, three generations all called Bobby) suspects AJ plans to lock him in, so AJ says fine, he doesn't have to go in if he doesn't want the free toys direct from Italy. Robert reluctantly steps inside and AJ immediately pulls the door shut and leaves with the other little kid, delighted that his "prank" worked. Inside, Furio is enjoying his Italian music and convinces Gabriella to dance, joking to Silvio that she can't wear fancy shoes and NOT dance. Silvio and Tony are delighted, encouraging her to go ahead but a laughing Gabriella pulls away, and Tony also happily declines when Meadow asks him to dance with her. So Meadow goes to Furio instead, who calls over Carmela as well, Tony eagerly encouraging her to do so. Furio leads them in the dance steps, dancing with his Boss' wife and daughter right in front of him with his blessing. Meadow quickly pulls away, claiming she can't keep up, and watches as Carmela gushes with happiness as she dances smoothly alongside Furio, the center of attention, the other dancing couples following their lead, all while Tony and Silvio ignore them to discuss their business and the issues that may arise from the Johnny hit. Melfi attends another therapy session with Elliot where she points out that Tony's daughter was regressing in a similar manner to Jason, which made her feel like a fraud to be offering him advice. Elliot, concerned over the fact Melfi has admitted feeling a measure of blame like Richard suggested for going alone in the parking garage at night, decides to share a story of his own. He talks about recently visiting Saskia and having an encounter with a "Bluto" looking man who he must have "accidentally" crowded with his car in the parking garage. Demonstrating an... imaginative memory of the events, he claims the man became confrontational and it made him think of Melfi. Because if that man - who he dismisses as another parent but probably more likely a repairman (what an rear end in a top hat) - had pulled him out of his car and beaten him up, would it have been his fault for trying to find a parking spot? It's a well-intentioned if clumsy comparison, and the ultimate message he offers her at least is a good one: she cannot blame herself for being raped.   At the back of the Bada Bing, a tired looking Johnny comes to see Tony (having told him he was coming) and tells him he has decided to accept Ralph's apology. Tony takes this in but doesn't demonstrate his relief (or annoyance at his plans for a post-Johnny environment being upended), instead taking the chance to hit him with further news about how Donny K is going to have nerve damage. Johnny freely apologizes for that too, offering no qualifiers or justification. But now that he has humbled himself, he reminds Tony that his own position - while technically below Tony - is still one of power. There are to be no more weight remarks at Ginny's expense, and Tony is only too happy to agree. Johnny leaves, having swallowed his pride but also having unknowingly saved his own life. Silvio passes him as he goes, and once alone Tony can only look at his old friend and let out a little laugh at the way things went down. Back at home, Carmela is reading a magazine when Tony comes in bearing flowers and a gift. She's pleased if, as always, just a little suspicious as to why. But she accepts them in the spirit intended, and is happy at the little black dress he has purchased, even if she thinks it might be too small. He encourages her to try it on and of course it fits perfectly, just as he knew it would (belated respect/admiration for his wife keeping her figure unlike Ginny perhaps?). But of course now that he has it on he wants to get it off her, as he kisses and gropes at her. She reciprocates, he was right when he said she equated money with love (as he himself does) and the pleasure she feels at the gift is obvious. But as they make out and roll onto the bed, the music from Furio's housewarming playing turns out not to be in her head but coming from Meadow's bedroom, where she is loudly playing the CD she was admiring. Horny and angry, they both yell at Meadow to please turn the music down, and she grumpily leaves the house yelling that she's going out, unaware that her parents are trying to bang right next door. Back in the room alone with each other in silence at last, they have sex, Tony's great bulk on top of Carmela, making her feel a mixture of pleasure and discomfort. And the entire time, that music continues to play in Carmela's head, and you can guarantee that the man she imagines on top of her is NOT her husband.  Johnny and Ginny may only have eyes for each other, but the same cannot be said for the Sopranos. Season 4: For All Debts Public and Private | No Show | Christopher | The Weight | Pie-O-My | Everybody Hurts | Watching Too Much Television | Mergers and Acquisitions | Whoever Did This | The Strong, Silent Type | Calling All Cars | Eloise | Whitecaps Season 1 | Season 2 | Season 3 | Season 4 | Season 5 | Season 6.1 | Season 6.2 Jerusalem fucked around with this message at 14:12 on Apr 23, 2020 |
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Awhile back I was thinking about how flawed all the characters were, and I was trying to think of who I respected more among the crew. Johnny Sac seemed like one of the more level-headed business-minded guys, who didn't just get irrationally violent. And yet, here we are, showing he can be temperamental and emotional just as much as the others. Everybody on this show has low moments and I love it. I've been watching along and ended up watching ahead a few episodes, and I have some things I want to talk about but I think I'm just gonna make myself wait until the thread gets there.
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Jul 21, 2019 17:14
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We've been jumping around all over the place after each review, so I'd say go for it.
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Jul 21, 2019 17:22
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Its about Tony B in next season, I was never crazy about his character because its hard not to see him as Steve Buscemi, guest actor, and not just another mobster. They try to explain him showing up as being in prison but it always felt like, yeah, this is definitely a new character the writers just added. In re-watching though I do like his character and how he's trying to play it clean. But then his turn where he flips out at his boss seems like it comes out of nowhere. I get he was stressed but everything is coming together for him, it seems just a little too extreme and out of nowhere. Maybe just needed a little something else to push him over the edge. It makes sense that somehow he'd end up back in a life of crime, but maybe it should have been something like his boss refuses to pay him what he's owed and then he can't find work anywhere else because he's an ex-con or something.
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Jul 21, 2019 17:38
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Zaphod42 posted:Awhile back I was thinking about how flawed all the characters were, and I was trying to think of who I respected more among the crew. Johnny Sac seemed like one of the more level-headed business-minded guys, who didn't just get irrationally violent. Johnny Sack's on of those people who needs oversight, I think. He is often level-headed and composed while at the same time being very smart, but he needs somebody holding his leash like Carmine Sr. We see what happens when he becomes boss of his family.
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Jul 21, 2019 19:44
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Dawgstar posted:Johnny Sack's on of those people who needs oversight, I think. He is often level-headed and composed while at the same time being very smart, but he needs somebody holding his leash like Carmine Sr. We see what happens when he becomes boss of his family. But when he gets too frustrated about not being able to retaliate for the joke on his wife, he jumps to talking to Tony about whacking Carmine. So I think its just an illusion; Johnny Sack seems level-headed but in reality he just has more patience than the other mobsters, but just like them if you push his buttons eventually he'll flip out and demand blood just like them. He's just more thought out about it, less reactionary and more planned.
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Jul 21, 2019 20:22
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Zaphod42 posted:But when he gets too frustrated about not being able to retaliate for the joke on his wife, he jumps to talking to Tony about whacking Carmine. In "The Weight?" I don't recall him talking about whacking Carmine then, but later, when Carmine is being irrational about business with the Sopranos, shutting down the Esplanade and costing Johnny a shitload of money. It's always about the money, unless you're the one with personal misgivings. They're all huge-rear end hypocrites.
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Jul 21, 2019 20:24
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DarkCrawler posted:In "The Weight?" I don't recall him talking about whacking Carmine then, but later, when Carmine is being irrational about business with the Sopranos, shutting down the Esplanade and costing Johnny a shitload of money. It's always about the money, unless you're the one with personal misgivings. They're all huge-rear end hypocrites. I guess you're right, I'm conflating issues. He was upset as hell that Carmine wouldn't let him go further, but it was the Esplanade that got them to talk about putting him down. To me though, it seemed like Johnny's loyalty to Carmine was fractured because he made him blow off the joke beef, and so was more willing to stab him in the back later when it cost Tony money and made them allies. But they're definitely all huge hypocrites, constantly talking about loyalty and having basically zero.
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Jul 21, 2019 20:28
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I forget, does Tony ever find out about Paulie being the one who told Johnny the joke?
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Jul 21, 2019 20:58
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ruddiger posted:I forget, does Tony ever find out about Paulie being the one who told Johnny the joke? Yep. He figures it out though Paulie never admits it.
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Jul 21, 2019 21:11
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Matt Zerella posted:Yep. He figures it out though Paulie never admits it. Yea and almost stabs Paulie to death on a boat after asking him about it a bunch and paulie denying it
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Jul 21, 2019 21:30
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DarkCrawler posted:In "The Weight?" I don't recall him talking about whacking Carmine then, but later, when Carmine is being irrational about business with the Sopranos, shutting down the Esplanade and costing Johnny a shitload of money. It's always about the money, unless you're the one with personal misgivings. They're all huge-rear end hypocrites. Even Carmine sort of shrugs it off and says he'll tax Ralphie and everybody's shocked that it's not about money with Johnny.
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Jul 21, 2019 22:59
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Ralph even brings up the fact that Johnny was the voice of reason the previous year when he and Tony came to blows. It's pure hypocrisy from these guys, they talk up how it's all about love and respect but the moment somebody gets really upset over some insult or injury they claim it's a business and money trumps all... until they are personally affected at which point it's suddenly all about the "honor" of their "thing" again. Carmine does it later, and of course Phil Leotardo ultimately meets his end because his push for respect is costing EVERYBODY money. One of the few guys who actually does put aside his personal feelings of pride and ego is, of course, "Brainless the Second" who lives a happier and far more successful life than any of them as a result.
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Jul 22, 2019 02:21
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"But he's loving my wife carmine. I Want him dead," Jimmy says. "He will be," he said, "but not just right now. He earns too much." Eight years later, jimmy gets a call one day. "Remember that guy who we were talking about Who's loving your wife? He can go." And that was carmine lupertazzi." ~Johny Sack (Stage 5) I love how everyone of these guys thinks they're the ones above the rules who can get what they want. Johnny you poor lucky son of a bitch.
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Jul 22, 2019 02:48
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Also minor quibble with the parking lot scene. I never saw it as Elliot pointing for him to get out of the way I thought he was just doing the universal "is you car parked over there so I can snag your spot?" gesture.
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Jul 22, 2019 03:03
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Even so, Tony was being a dick by walking right down the middle of the way instead of shunting over to let him pass. If Elliot was thinking of taking his spot then why did he continue to get right up Tony's rear end following him? I just love the way he recounts the whole thing to Melfi, that "maybe" he "accidentally" crowded him a bit too much, that Tony got quite confrontational (Tony's reaction was warranted AND restrained) and then his little piece of classist bullshit saying that he was "more likely" some sort of repairman rather than the father of a student.
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Jul 22, 2019 04:24
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Jerusalem posted:It's pure hypocrisy from these guys, they talk up how it's all about love and respect but the moment somebody gets really upset over some insult or injury they claim it's a business and money trumps all... until they are personally affected at which point it's suddenly all about the "honor" of their "thing" again. Carmine does it later, and of course Phil Leotardo ultimately meets his end because his push for respect is costing EVERYBODY money. Reminds me of that line from North Dallas Forty where one player tells their coach "every time we say it's a business, you say it's a game and every time we call it a game, you say it's a business!"
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Jul 22, 2019 11:41
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I just finished watching "Kennedy and Heidi" and that episode really goes hard from the start. I was pretty shell shocked through the whole thing until Tony is in his appointment with Melfi talking about what happened to Christopher and he brings up Tony B and Pussy. "I was prostate with grief!" had me bust a gut completely out of nowhere, in one of the darkest episodes.
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Jul 23, 2019 00:36
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Martian Manfucker posted:I just finished watching "Kennedy and Heidi" and that episode really goes hard from the start. So out of nowhere, too. Christopher just featured prominently in the episode before that. They pulled the same poo poo with Ralphie.
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Jul 23, 2019 08:08
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Vichan posted:So out of nowhere, too. Christopher just featured prominently in the episode before that. They pulled the same poo poo with Ralphie. The episode before "Kennedy and Heidi" ends with Chris killing JT Dolan in cold blood to cap off his bender. Much like Vito killing the guy in his driveway as he fled New Hampshire, I feel like it's a shortcut to remind the viewer "Oh yeah! These guys are trash, I shouldn't be too broken up when they get theirs."
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Jul 23, 2019 13:53
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Rewatching clips today and I realized that Jackie Jr might be my favorite character arc in the show. There is no one more of a loving idiot than him and every single moment of him was gold. From the repeated "IT WAS A BACHELOR PARTY!" excuses, cheating on TONY SOPRANO'S DAUGHTER, the hilariously cringy ~mafia sit down~ with Matush to the card game stick up it was all amazing.
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Jul 23, 2019 15:55
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OldTennisCourt posted:Rewatching clips today and I realized that Jackie Jr might be my favorite character arc in the show. There is no one more of a loving idiot than him and every single moment of him was gold. From the repeated "IT WAS A BACHELOR PARTY!" excuses, cheating on TONY SOPRANO'S DAUGHTER, the hilariously cringy ~mafia sit down~ with Matush to the card game stick up it was all amazing. I still say that with Jackie Jr. the actor let down the character and the story. I get that he's a naive buffoon, but beyond that there is still an artificial quality to all of his line readings that just feel amateurish to me whenever I watch those scenes. Maybe it works in a select few instances where the character is trying and failing to play the part of slick gangster, but the majority of his scenes just take me right out of the show because it comes across as a lovely audition tape for a guy that should've never been cast. Basebf555 fucked around with this message at 16:12 on Jul 23, 2019 |
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Jul 23, 2019 16:08
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Basebf555 posted:I still say that with Jackie Jr. the actor let down the character and the story. I get that he's a naive buffoon, but beyond that there is still an artificial quality to all of his line readings that just feel amateurish to me whenever I watch those scenes. Maybe it works in a select few instances where the character is trying and failing to play the part of slick gangster, but the majority of his scenes just take me right out of the show because it comes across as a lovely audition tape for a guy that should've never been cast. Really? He always came across perfectly to me. He was acting as someone acting. Jackie Jr. was a soft, idiotic man-child who couldn't do the basic things correctly in anything he tried. Like the scene where he meets with Tony and he dresses like a loving knob in an attempt to seem cool and callous but within literally 3 minutes he buys every single lie gives him. His every interaction with Meadow comes off with that sappy humilatingly done bullshit. Easily the best scene he's ever in though is when he visits on Christmas, he's so perfect in managing to miss every single social cue and it's so painfully obvious he came over only to beg Tony for forgiveness. I feel like they should have stretched him over the show because he was a pitch perfect foil for AJ. At first he's what Tony wishes AJ was but over time he realizes how much worse he was in every way.
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Jul 23, 2019 16:18
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OldTennisCourt posted:Really? He always came across perfectly to me. He was acting as someone acting. Jackie Jr. was a soft, idiotic man-child who couldn't do the basic things correctly in anything he tried. I've brought it up here before and your opinion is definitely the majority, but I had this reaction to him immediately the first time I watched the show and it hasn't changed in several rewatches over the years. I can see where they were coming from with the casting, in that this guy is an amateurish not completely convincing actor, and how that sorta fits with what Jackie Jr. is supposed to be, a guy who is basically faking it 99% of the time. Still, I have a hard time seeing past what I consider to be just straight-up bad line delivery in most of his scenes.
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Jul 23, 2019 16:22
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Basebf555 posted:I've brought it up here before and your opinion is definitely the majority, but I had this reaction to him immediately the first time I watched the show and it hasn't changed in several rewatches over the years. Yeah I totally get you. I feel like his character is kind of love it or hate it in that he's treading this line where it can easily be seen as poo poo acting. You have to admit though that him getting busted by Tony twice in like two months and giving the literal exact same excuse each time was great. Also the penguin exhibit.
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Jul 23, 2019 16:26
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OldTennisCourt posted:the hilariously cringy ~mafia sit down~  ...I know Chris.  Also: "You know who my father was?" ".....The Golfer?"
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Jul 23, 2019 16:56
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Apropos of nothing, going back and watching old clips made me realize that Chris has killed a guy with a single headshot at least three times.
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Jul 23, 2019 17:08
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Basebf555 posted:I have a hard time seeing past what I consider to be just straight-up bad line delivery in most of his scenes. I feel this way about every scene with Gabriella van Zandt
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Jul 23, 2019 18:03
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Low key one of the best scenes in the show was the really weirdly written PIZZA INVESTIGATION? Does this pie fit a pattern? WHO ORDA THAT PIEA YOU TELL ME RIGHT NOW I KICKA THEY rear end
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Jul 23, 2019 18:23
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OldTennisCourt posted:Low key one of the best scenes in the show was the really weirdly written PIZZA INVESTIGATION? https://twitter.com/oocsopranos/status/1123590401439555586
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Jul 23, 2019 18:25
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How do you vandalize a pool?
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Jul 23, 2019 18:30
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crazy eyes mustafa posted:I feel this way about every scene with Gabriella van Zandt and Vito Spatafore
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Jul 23, 2019 18:46
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Joe Gannascoli pretending to have been tight with Jimmy before he died and everyone else calling him out on it was kinda sad and funny But yeah definitely an actor who couldn’t hit the mark for what the character needed to do
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Jul 23, 2019 18:50
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Was Vito's brother who got hit with the golf club by Mustang Sally mentally hosed up after that? I remember we saw him as a look out for Vito after that and he seemed fine.
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Jul 23, 2019 18:55
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OldTennisCourt posted:Low key one of the best scenes in the show was the really weirdly written PIZZA INVESTIGATION? You make this pizza sir? Who makea this pie? That's our box.... Yeah, love that scene. Law and order: pizza delivery unit 
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Jul 23, 2019 19:03
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crazy eyes mustafa posted:Joe Gannascoli pretending to have been tight with Jimmy before he died and everyone else calling him out on it was kinda sad and funny Ha where did that happen?
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Jul 23, 2019 19:19
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OldTennisCourt posted:Was Vito's brother who got hit with the golf club by Mustang Sally mentally hosed up after that? I remember we saw him as a look out for Vito after that and he seemed fine. Yep. They were both in the scene where Ritchie sent them to build a ramp up Beansie's front steps in season 2.
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Jul 23, 2019 19:47
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Matt Zerella posted:Yep. They were both in the scene where Ritchie sent them to build a ramp up Beansie's front steps in season 2. I think Mustang Sally was season 3 episode 4?3?
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Jul 23, 2019 21:01
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Matt Zerella posted:Yep. They were both in the scene where Ritchie sent them to build a ramp up Beansie's front steps in season 2. I'll build a ramp up to your rear end, drive a Lionel up in there...
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banned from Starbucks posted:Ha where did that happen? https://www.nj.com/entertainment/2013/06/james_gandolfini_sopranos_joe_gannascoli.html
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