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Miz Kriss posted:I didn't even get to talk about the vampire c-section. And by vampire c-section, I mean Edward literally chomps on Bella's belly and keeps biting until he reaches the uterus and the baby is born. Holy poo poo is the Twilight series terrible. Also, 50 Shades of Grey is literally Twilight fanfiction that the author changed the names of to avoid copyright infringement. The more you know To me the weirdest element of Twilight is always going to be the fact that Donald J. Trump, washed up real estate pseudo-mogul, reality TV gameshow host, and soon to be President of the United States, took a protracted and obsessive interest in the off-screen relationship between Robert Pattinson and Kristen Stewart and continually ranted about it on Twitter from October of 2012 to April of 2013. It's just the stupidest thing ever, and yet it happened.
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I blame Twilight as much as Harry Potter for the proliferation of truly awful young adult bullshit. It's also become a dumping ground for nutcases. I listen to a podcast that's more or less reading terrible posts from around the internet (well, mostly Facebook, Twitter, and Reddit, as that's where the vast majority of posts are these days) and the episode about young adult fiction may very well be their worst one. There's a movement in that community called "Own Voice" which is an unholy combination of essentialism and woke segregation.Leroy Dennui posted:"I'll show you what today's 'sexy' vampires can't do" was the tell for Black Fountain, right? Can the vampire couple in the library cast that at all? Kad posted:You're the first person I've seen to suggest it originated from leukemia. :O I even searched leukemia in the jimmy discord and didn't see anyone mention it either. A while back we were discussing this and thought maybe the origin of the pulsating mass was lung cancer since that can turn into all kinds of stuff. Its really cool seeing everyones theories on this. get that OUT of my face fucked around with this message at 14:12 on Jul 23, 2019 |
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Kad posted:
Very good post. Buck is amazing and his reaction to his brother's illness is so realistic. 
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Kad posted:Buck is an incredible character Plant MONSTER. posted:Buck is amazing Since it wasn't a real update I just want to reiterate he fuzzy Buck hole is strong(unlike Buck).  Of course he gets controlled by the mass, just look at that despair and anger, how weak of a person he is both inside and out, the mass doesn't just eat away at you, no it infects your family too and Buck is the easiest target. He's definitely my vote for deepest character aside from Jimmy. There is soooo much more game to go and we have soooo much character building done so far. Games might be... Good?
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the Mass also takes Buck because, of all Jimmy's family (jonathon aside), he's the most openly hostile person towards Jimmy himself even if his anger comes from his own misguided good intentions and feelings of inadequacy, and Jimmy's also clearly in awe of his big brother's strength if this kid's dream needed a villain, it's hard to think of a better candidate
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Jul 23, 2019 19:20
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Fat and Useless posted:There is soooo much more game to go and we have soooo much character building done so far. Games might be... Good? Boy am I glad we cut where we did because we're about to hit THAT PART in the game that everybody gets mad about.
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At the end of the day, Buck is a meathead teenage boy, and that's not a combination that's particularly good at expressing emotions. He's not unsympathetic towards Jimmy, he just has a hard time explaining himself. I wouldn't be surprised if he thought that was something that's "for babies." Being as young as he is, Jimmy is equating Buck's aloof indifference with being on the side of the Pulsating Mass/his real-life cancer. get that OUT of my face fucked around with this message at 20:22 on Jul 23, 2019 |
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Jul 23, 2019 20:18
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There are a few scenes later that recontextualize a lot of what Buck tells/asks of Jimmy and it breaks my heart
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Open your eyes Open your eyes It's too early To say goodnight There's so many small tells that don't even seem significant early on, like Helga saying she'll buy Jimmy a new Jonathan Bear, but money is tight at the moment from paying medical bills. She also stumbles a bit about getting a new one for Christmas or (presumably) Jimmy's birthday, either because of the money situation or because Jimmy is unlikely to make it to his next birthday. Just thinking now, Buck's insistence on Jimmy getting stronger ties in with the fighting language used for cancer-(fighting the battle, beating it, we will defeat cancer etc). There's a whole thing with "sadly they lost the battle" where the implication (at least with the phrasing) is that if the person had just fought a little harder they could have made it and it's a matter of will power, rather than plain lovely luck. Buck really does want Jimmy to get stronger to fight off the mass, he's just doing it the worst way possible. Great playthrough, I'm for sure going to get this.
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Miz Kriss posted:I didn't even get to talk about the vampire c-section. And by vampire c-section, I mean Edward literally chomps on Bella's belly and keeps biting until he reaches the uterus and the baby is born. Holy poo poo is the Twilight series terrible. Also, 50 Shades of Grey is literally Twilight fanfiction that the author changed the names of to avoid copyright infringement. The more you know Twilight is also a metaphor for Mormon values, and it's a whole lot of  That it inspired/turned into 50 Shades of Gray is just the most delightful stupidity possible.I'm an unabashed Kristen Stewart fan, and I just remembered all the poo poo Trump slung at her. What a dumb prick. Buck's hostility towards Jimmy seems like the kind of misplaced hostility some people feel when they're mad at the disease you have, but can't process how to express that in front of you without making it sound like YOU'RE the target, not the disease. It's not abnormal, and having experienced it, it's making Buck's face/heel turn real visceral for me.
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Oxxidation posted:e: i should also add that at another point in andrew's memory dungeon, it sounds like he's suggesting to helga that they just have another child when they inevitably lose jimmy. smooth talking there, champ Ugh, just saw this and that is absolutely a thing that happens with some families who've lost a child, especially a very young one (or experienced a miscarriage). Something like that happened with a friend of mine, and it tore his marriage apart in the end. Sorry for the double post.
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quote:Jimmy imagines himself floating above his own grave. Oh dear. It wasn't supposed to be like this. He holds up his hands and can see right through them. He thinks he should be bummed out, but, well, he's floating, and that's pretty cool. Just to be a jerk and make you feel things, here's the Jack O'Lantern empathy text. Also I mucked with the OPs a bit. G-Mawwwwwww fucked around with this message at 23:07 on Jul 23, 2019 |
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I expect all future episodes will involve GrandmaParty and his guests weeping out loud, honking their noises on tissues etc
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Yeah that one is especially brutal.
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GrandmaParty posted:Just to be a jerk and make you feel things, here's the Jack O'Lantern empathy text. Jimmy Did His Best.
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GrandmaParty posted:Just to be a jerk and make you feel things, here's the Jack O'Lantern empathy text. Grumble Bear's also pretty rough with context
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Even the squawker gets in on it - in the empathy story he leaves the building through a sliding door and runs past several parked ambulances. There's not a whole lot of places with multiple ambulances parked right outside. But hey, Jimmy did his best.
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Jul 24, 2019 06:35
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There's also hints that its specifically brain cancer. Seeing how theres hints that it changed Jimmy's behaviour.
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Rigged Death Trap posted:There's also hints that its specifically brain cancer. Seeing how theres hints that it changed Jimmy's behaviour. Plus, visually speaking, everything corrupted by the Pulsating Mass has exposed or excess brain matter. Even in the title screen of the game, shown in the OP the word "Pulsating Mass" is stylized in a way reminiscent of brain matter, and is connected to the word "Jimmy" by an unnatural outgrowth on the left, and on the right by swelling.
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People realize the true thrust of Jimmy earlier than others. I was talking about this game to one of my friends and I've made it a point to keep asking how far he's gotten in it. He told me he's been so busy that he hasn't had a chance to make it past the first half of the first area, but he could guess the twist just by knowing that this is a game about an eight-year-old boy's perspective. He's also a parent and I realized this probably would gently caress me up even more if I had any kids. DrSnakeLaser posted:Open your eyes Plant MONSTER. posted:I expect all future episodes will involve GrandmaParty and his guests weeping out loud, honking their noises on tissues etc
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I guessed the twist really early but hoped I was wrong. It was as soon as I saw there was a status effect called 'terminal'. An eight year old shouldn't be thinking about terms like that unless it's come up.
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Night10194 posted:I guessed the twist really early but hoped I was wrong. It was as soon as I saw there was a status effect called 'terminal'. An eight year old shouldn't be thinking about terms like that unless it's come up. Same. The very idea of fighting a "pulsating mass" is already pretty reminiscent of cancer, and then when the deformed queen bee said something about hating the blood in his body I was like "oh it's probably cancer that makes sense" and seeing the other clues unfold since then has been fascinating. Status effects like "terminal" and "immunosuppressed" are also pretty huge hints.
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Tenebrais posted:I was kind of hoping it wasn't going to be cancer, since between OFF and Rakuen I'd kind of seen enough of that particular story, but really what else was a pulsating mass going to be once you figured out it's a metaphore?. Still, this does strike a good balance between the former's abstract horror and the latter's bittersweet whimsy, and it's hit harder emotionally than either of them. Night10194 posted:I guessed the twist really early but hoped I was wrong. It was as soon as I saw there was a status effect called 'terminal'. An eight year old shouldn't be thinking about terms like that unless it's come up. When I played this game, I actually willfully ignored all the clues because I was desperately hoping it wasn't this. Even after that cutscene, I was like, welllll, it COULD be something else... the metaphor is too obvious, and the rest of the game can be pretty abstract...  I didn't figure it out until the end of the game.
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Put me in the camp that originally thought it was a metaphor for puberty. Specifically I thought the entire game was an extended metaphor for Jimmy's experiences while growing up, up to about this point.
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Guessing the twist early has not stopped me from following this LP with avid interest. The twist isn't the hook for me; the hook is Jimmy's journey through this dream, and his perspective on everything. And it all makes me want to cry.
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i figured out the pulsating mass' symbolism earlier than this but i was still on the fence as whether it represented jimmy's cancer or his grandmother's own disease, partly because i wasn't confident that the game could pull off the former. it wasn't until a screen later on that i had to concede that the sickness was all jimmy's part of the reason it takes longer to sink in for some people is that the twist suffuses every aspect of the game but is still never stated outright, since the context is limited by jimmy's dream. none of the characters can fully and clearly explain what the pulsating mass is, because jimmy's still coming to grips with it himself
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Ebeezil's when it became clear to me; up until that point it just seems like Jimmy has a dark sense of humor but an 8 year old who's afraid he's not going to wake up when he goes to sleep?
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Part of the reason I haven't been able to follow the LP beyond the first couple of episodes is that I have two young children and a friend of ours spoiled the ending for me. I just can't. I'm sure this game covers this topic with as much dignity and grace as YIIK failed to bring to, well, anything, but I still don't have room for that in my soul right now.
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EAT FASTER!!!!!! posted:Part of the reason I haven't been able to follow the LP beyond the first couple of episodes is that I have two young children and a friend of ours spoiled the ending for me. I just can't. Next lp is going to be Golf Story, it'll be cute.
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AltaBrown posted:Guessing the twist early has not stopped me from following this LP with avid interest. The twist isn't the hook for me; the hook is Jimmy's journey through this dream, and his perspective on everything.
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Well, I feel better that I wasn't the only one itt who cried cause of this game. To be fair "sweet child with cancer" is a low hanging fruit when it comes to ejecting tears. But because this is a Good Game, it actually does a great job successfully balancing the different moods. I actually really appreciate that this game is fairly direct about the premise and that it's not buried behind subtext. Like, everything is pretty much laid out on the table. Of course, I'm not referring to the symbolism wrt bosses, locations (especially nightmare zones) and the like, because there's plenty of that to think about. Instead of focusing on the premise (go beat up some cancer and win), we're instead given an inside glimpse of how a family might react and how each individual member goes about dealing with things. It makes sense to me that Lars is actually the best equipped to deal with loss and deals with Jimmy's illness more maturely than the rest of his family. also i was totally jimmy as a kid minus the whole dying shtick Mod edit: big spoilers. OP edit: i am dumbe Plant MONSTER. fucked around with this message at 02:46 on Jul 25, 2019 |
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Plant MONSTER. posted:Well, I feel better that I wasn't the only one itt who cried cause of this game. To be fair "sweet child with cancer" is a low hanging fruit when it comes to ejecting tears. But because this is a Good Game, it actually does a great job successfully balancing the different moods. Might wanna spoiler this, chief, some people still want to figure it out themselves.
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Next ep probably tomorrow night. We had tech difficulties with commentator and backup commentator and I had too much cheese at dinner so I'm all loagy. I'll try again tomorrow.
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One thing that I don't think was mentioned yet: the first nightmare zone dealt with claustrophobia and tight spaces. That's definitely from MRI treatments.
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It's a great game, but I feel like it was never really hiding its premise. I don't think it suffers for it, just the opposite: Jimmy and the Pulsating Mass is allowed to be very mature with a difficult subject because the audience is expected to know and understand and relate. If it was a sudden shocking twist, it'd still be sad but it wouldn't evoke that same sense of dread that comes with knowing a bad thing is going to happen and not being able to stop it. It might be because I'm used to this kind of content, but I picked up on the premise right away. The title already gives you a good guess (there's only so many things a "pulsating mass" can be), but as soon as I was told that it was a dream world, that was enough. Any game that takes place in a dream has to eventually confront the question of why we are in a dream and not in the real world. Yume Nikki and others have more abstract explanations (the ending for Yume Nikki actually did come as a shock, as I didn't put together the subtle clues), whereas Jimmy was always straightforward: Jimmy is in his dream and the Pulsating Mass wants him dead. It's Jimmy's interpretation of his family and friends (real or imagined) that shapes the actual narrative.
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Thanks for let's playing this game. It's been a very good and somber ride all the way through. Like others gonna have to steel myself for the best that's yet to come.
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GrandmaParty posted:
People should remember this. It's a great game and it's fun to talk about, and there's now a lot more to talk about, but let future stuff come in the future.
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Hello, Jimmythread. I have something very important. We must figure out Jimmy's favorite kind of ice cream. Why? Who cares. What's important is Jimmy gets his favorite ice cream because he is a good boy and all good boys deserve ice cream. So tell me.. what is Jimmy's favorite flavor of ice cream? (1 flavor per person)  Jimmy's favorite ice cream flavors so far, courtesy of the JatPM discord, from bottom to top: cookies and cream birthday cake cake batter (from coldstone) peanut butter mackinac island fudge ice cream (i had to copypaste this one because what the hell) neapolitan rum raisin (thanks grandmaparty) strawberry mint chocolate chip cherry vanilla chocolate w/ brownie orange cream (originally suggested as orange with toothpaste chunks. gross!)
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Kad posted:Hello, Jimmythread. I have something very important. Jimmy's a strange boy but he's our strange boy. <3 This rules.
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