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Galvanik posted:I just finished Lords of Silence and while it was really good I struggled with actually reading it. About halfway through I realized the bad guys were gonna win so it just seemed pointless. Which I guess kind of fits for Nurgle, but it still felt like a chore to read. Yes, Carrion Throne and Watcher's of the Throne from the same author both have a great look at what Terra is like for average humans and non-military high ranking humans. The imperial bureaucracy is a big part of it. They have their fair share of action too, but it is an interesting look at Terran based Inquisitors and Custodes and not vanilla bolter porn. I am about a third of the way through The Hollow Mountain, his sequel to Carrion Throne, and so far it is excellent and even better than the first. It also has an even bigger focus on the bureaucracy of Terra so far. His depiction of Terra is the best I have seen and really drills into how unfathomably large and crowded it is. If you liked Carrion Throne you all should buy this right now. Edit: If you want more bureaucracy type stuff you should also check out: The Macharian Crusade trilogy. The main character is a personal bodyguard to Macharius, considered the best Imperial Guard warmaster of all time, and follows him from the beginning to the end of the crusade. There is plenty of action, but his proximity to the Warmaster means you get a ton of stuff related to the bureaucracy and functioning of the imperium. The Emperor's Spears. It's focused on space marines, so plenty of action but the main viewpoint is a chapter serf giving you a great look into what it would be like to be a high ranking serf in a space marine chapter. It's basically the same as Lords of Silence serf/navigator viewpoints but on the loyalist side. Dark Imperium and Dark Imperium: Plague War, while being mediocre books, have a lot of cool bureaucracy stuff through the eyes of Guilleman as he acts as Imperial Regent and a lot of other cool lore besides. D-Pad fucked around with this message at 01:04 on Jul 22, 2019 |
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I was also always far more interested in all the marginalia and meta-/para-text diegetic poo poo in 40k books (like the Inquisition MOTDs and the bibliographic references and stuff?) than the fairly standard-issue action stuff. Might be why I like Dune as well?
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Jul 22, 2019 01:15
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It's really cool they're making an Eisenhorn series but it's going to be jarring hearing a voice other than Toby Longworth as Eisenhorn after I've listened to all the audio books. Are there any 40K novels that focus on Nurgle or his forces?
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Jul 22, 2019 06:53
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strange feelings re Daisy posted:It's really cool they're making an Eisenhorn series but it's going to be jarring hearing a voice other than Toby Longworth as Eisenhorn after I've listened to all the audio books. Lords of Silence by Chris Wraight. Very good. Made me decide Nurgle was my favorite chaos god. Just finished The Hollow Mountain. So good. Chris Wraight is my favorite BL author.
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Jul 22, 2019 07:49
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Reserving the future thread title Watch Eisenhorn, then complain the book was better
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Jul 22, 2019 23:12
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I've been imagining the naval invasion of 56-Izar for the past few days. God that can be such a good scene on its own I hope they don't blow it.
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mythicknight posted:I've been imagining the naval invasion of 56-Izar for the past few days. God that can be such a good scene on its own I hope they don't blow it. I've been picturing the Abnett Inquisition novels as tv shows for a long time and the invasion of 56-Izar always struck me as the part most likely to be significantly changed for budgetary reasons. At least from the first book. Even Game of Thrones couldn't afford to shoot any big battles until their 2nd season, so I can imagine that battle will change to be on a much smaller scale. Even though it makes sense to start with Xenos, I've always thought Ravenor would make a better first season of a TV show. A down to earth investigation into Chaos Drugs that's anchored by half a dozen really excellent and varied setpiece battles. The Carnivora, the rooftop chase, only two starships duking it out. Ravenor's conflict feels a lot more personal than the first Eisenhorn, especially with the villain's motivations. And if Eisenhorn doesn't succeed then we'll never see Ravenor on screen most likely. 
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Jul 23, 2019 13:44
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The problem with adapting Ravenor is the main protagonist is a mostly silent black cube.
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Jul 23, 2019 13:47
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peanut- posted:The problem with adapting Ravenor is the main protagonist is a mostly silent black cube. Sounds like an ideal role for Keanu Reeves.
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Jul 23, 2019 14:38
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peanut- posted:The problem with adapting Ravenor is the main protagonist is a mostly silent black cube. Eh, all you need is a good VA and apply the same echoey reverb that they used in Ghost in the Shell: SAC when people were "talking" through the internet connection.
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Jul 23, 2019 14:52
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peanut- posted:The problem with adapting Ravenor is the main protagonist is a mostly silent black cube. That dude who plays Sherlock in the BBC show, done.
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Jul 23, 2019 14:57
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D-Pad posted:Lords of Silence by Chris Wraight. Very good. Made me decide Nurgle was my favorite chaos god. The Eisenhorn scene that I really hope to see is the attack on Thracian Primaris. Thousands of troops and onlookers, imperial architecture, and a parade of military hardware that all descends into chaos. I'll be very impressed if that doesn't get changed to something smaller scale.
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Jul 24, 2019 15:53
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Eisenhorn, featuring John Eisenhorn the radical inquisitor as he solves the weekly mysteries of Segmentum Obscurus
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Jul 24, 2019 16:13
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Thracian Primaris would be an excellent cold open for a show. Just fifteen minutes of incredibly over the top 40kness with zero explanation and then the first half/season is explaining what the hell any of that was. The best way to do 40k as a show is just to drop people into the setting and explainnothing.
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Jul 24, 2019 16:46
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I suspect they'll actually end up just going with a totally new story set somewhere before or between the books. That way they avoid people complaining about getting bits wrong or leaving parts out.
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Relevant Tangent posted:Thracian Primaris would be an excellent cold open for a show. Just fifteen minutes of incredibly over the top 40kness with zero explanation and then the first half/season is explaining what the hell any of that was. The best way to do 40k as a show is just to drop people into the setting and explainnothing. Most people (the sort of viewer who watches “Prestige TV” I mean) would also have sort of visual shorthand for what’s going on, as well (it’s literally a Roman Triumph just with Baneblades) so that’s would be a good choice IMO?
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Jul 24, 2019 17:00
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I really hope they don't jam in a love triangle and relegate the most interesting characters to support. Man in the High Castle, I'm looking at you.
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moths posted:I really hope they don't jam in a love triangle and relegate the most interesting characters to support. I mean, there was the whole train sequence?
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Relevant Tangent posted:Thracian Primaris would be an excellent cold open for a show. Just fifteen minutes of incredibly over the top 40kness with zero explanation and then the first half/season is explaining what the hell any of that was. The best way to do 40k as a show is just to drop people into the setting and explainnothing. I think the start of the first eisenhorn book would be cool to see on film, too. The idea of a shootout happening while people are coming out of cryo-freeze early is such a neat image
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Hot Dog Day #82 posted:I think the start of the first eisenhorn book would be cool to see on film, too. The idea of a shootout happening while people are coming out of cryo-freeze early is such a neat image Kinda  though. Roman Triumph Terror Bombing is much happier.
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The Cryo shootout is episode two. Every episode starts in the middle of a firefight then establishes what led to it. Halfway through or Season two you start doing before the firefight but exclusively from the pov of the people who are about to get murdered by the Inquisition.
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Relevant Tangent posted:Thracian Primaris would be an excellent cold open for a show. Just fifteen minutes of incredibly over the top 40kness with zero explanation and then the first half/season is explaining what the hell any of that was. The best way to do 40k as a show is just to drop people into the setting and explainnothing. I like this idea. Just show all the grim poo poo like servitors in the backdrop and provide no explanation. Normal people are gonna be really weirded out.
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Schadenboner posted:Kinda The Atrocity ended up having a body count of hundreds of thousands if I recall correctly, many of them random imperial citizenry caught up in the days long chaos.
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Schadenboner posted:Kinda The Thunderbolts 9/11ing the titans is gonna trigger so many people.
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Look, if I want dozens of semiconscious goop-covered people scream-dying around me in the middle of a firefight I would go to my family picnic, ok?
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I hope they try to make a good "look" for the show that invokes 40K wackiness without going too over the top with the appearance. Something like the Astartes fanfilm that nails the look of the world but has enough subtle changes (like big but not comically big bolters) to make it look like a functional, lived-in setting and not just a load of people running around in high quality cosplay gear.
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Z the IVth posted:The Thunderbolts 9/11ing the titans is gonna trigger so many people. 40k doesn't really deal with the sheer amount of trauma everyone is put through the highest nobility has probably seen at least a murder a year from the time they were old enough to start forming memories even the chaos worshippers should occasionally just shutdown from the things they deal with every day
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Arcsquad12 posted:I hope they try to make a good "look" for the show that invokes 40K wackiness without going too over the top with the appearance. Something like the Astartes fanfilm that nails the look of the world but has enough subtle changes (like big but not comically big bolters) to make it look like a functional, lived-in setting and not just a load of people running around in high quality cosplay gear. Dredd the film would be an excellent basis for the aesthetics of a hive world.
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Relevant Tangent posted:Dredd the film would be an excellent basis for the aesthetics of a hive world. If we get Dredd the TV show and Eisenhorn at the same time, I'll basically explode.
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moths posted:If we get Dredd the TV show and Eisenhorn at the same time, I'll basically explode. They would essentially be the same though? Fischig is a Dredd expy.
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Z the IVth posted:They would essentially be the same though? Fischig is a Dredd expy. [Chanting in distance] CROSS-OVER CROSS-OVER CROSS-OVER
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All of the Arbites are Judge Dredds, it’s a great system. In Hollow Mountain Chris Wright talks about them and describes how their police stations (for lack of a better word, I forget what they are called in universe) are almost always the largest and most imposing building on a given planet. It made me think about the huge station that they briefly show in Dredd - it was like one of those gigantic apartment/slum complexes unto itself.
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The Arbites are hilarious and everyone should read the Shia Calpurnia trilogy if they haven't. The second book especially is the best example of what an absolute clusterfuck the competing Imperial power structures make everything m
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Jul 24, 2019 21:17
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The original Rogue Trader rulebook is pretty much Judge Dredd in space.
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Jul 24, 2019 23:03
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They were all literally huge 2000AD fans so that makes total sense, to the point where most of the Warhammer Monthly authors and artists were 2000AD staff. Including Dan Abnett.
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Jul 25, 2019 00:37
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40k ripped off Nemesis pretty hard.
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Jul 25, 2019 00:39
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The Ballad of Halo Jones starts out in Necromunda. There are multiple really obvious links if you know them.
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Jul 25, 2019 00:43
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Just skipped from The Crimson King (as promised a few pages back, lots of warp wankery, but not terrible) to the Buried Dagger, which I thoroughly enjoyed even if the DG fleet being stuck in the warp felt really rushed. Are there any of the books in between I should go back and read?
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This is your reminder that pre- having their own Product ranges, GW regularly stocked 2000AD things. There's a long history there.
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