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I watched Trekkies for the first time in like 20 years tonight and that thing is way more sad and pathetic that I’d remembered. I assume half those people are still arguing over minutiae on TrekBBS and the other half are on watchlists or behind bars. Poor Gabe Koerner is the only one that comes off as approaching normal, and that’s saying something.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:I watched Trekkies for the first time in like 20 years tonight and that thing is way more sad and pathetic that I’d remembered. I assume half those people are still arguing over minutiae on TrekBBS and the other half are on watchlists or behind bars. Poor Gabe Koerner is the only one that comes off as approaching normal, and that’s saying something. I mean some of them might be posting in a fifteen hundred page thread on dead forums.
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Jul 25, 2019 08:16
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MikeJF posted:I mean some of them might be posting in a fifteen hundred page thread on dead forums. Rocks in glass houses, sure, but I don’t think anyone here has binders full of Brent Spiner polaroids in a safe.
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Jul 25, 2019 08:43
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Wonder if the Starfleet Dental dentist is still... well, a thing. There's a Stargate SG-1 themed hairdresser about a kilometer from my office, so weird themed businesses are definitely still a thing.
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Jul 25, 2019 08:57
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Meanwhile, I checked up on Bernd Schneider and he's full-tilt Mad About Disco, up to and including creating a new canon policy so that the New Trek doesn't pollute the Gospel of TOS.
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Jul 25, 2019 09:28
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Zurui posted:Meanwhile, I checked up on Bernd Schneider and he's full-tilt Mad About Disco, up to and including creating a new canon policy so that the New Trek doesn't pollute the Gospel of TOS. I can't imagine caring this much about anything.
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Jul 25, 2019 09:39
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Zurui posted:Meanwhile, I checked up on Bernd Schneider and he's full-tilt Mad About Disco, up to and including creating a new canon policy so that the New Trek doesn't pollute the Gospel of TOS. Imagine writing all those words just to come to the same conclusion given by the production team from day one: same continuity, updated look. 
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Jul 25, 2019 09:42
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I don't understand why continue to subject yourself to something you don't enjoy to analyze it in that detail I skimmed over some of his reviews of the individual episodes and he often makes the same valid complaints and observations you often find here about things that really matter like characters and story etc. but like if so little about this show is doing it for you then why why keep looking for all the little references to see if they line up and then get even more irritated when they don't? If you're aware that they're not really doing what Star Trek was ultimately famous for (or at least doing it really badly) then why should you care if they get minutiae like the shape of the nacelles for the era right or however phaser emplacements the Enterprise had?
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Jul 25, 2019 09:59
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The weird thing is despite writing actual essays about the nitpickiest of details each episode, his own FAQ has this to say about Discovery, and I honestly can't fault him for these conclusions mostly (emphasis mine):quote:Q: What do you think about Star Trek Discovery? That being said, DS9 is like half war and intrigue and it's one of the best Trek series. Though it accomplishes this by being actually nuanced and interesting, whereas Discovery seems like it's war and intrigue for the sake of having a vehicle for action scenes and visual effects. Drone fucked around with this message at 10:27 on Jul 25, 2019 |
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Jul 25, 2019 10:25
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Zurui posted:Meanwhile, I checked up on Bernd Schneider and he's full-tilt Mad About Disco, up to and including creating a new canon policy so that the New Trek doesn't pollute the Gospel of TOS. Any theory of canon that doesn't put TAS on the same level as every other series is bullshit.
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Jul 25, 2019 10:27
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Why does every one of these stupid fan theories on canon wrt DIS always harp on and on and on about the look of the Klingons, when we see in the last few episodes roughly TNG style Klingons. They're a little different, sure, but not enough to really say anything beyond "hey, they have weirder noses than previously depicted"
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Jul 25, 2019 10:52
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Angry Salami posted:Any theory of canon that doesn't put TAS on the same level as every other series is bullshit. TAS is the ultimate trek
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Jul 25, 2019 11:08
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Drone posted:The weird thing is despite writing actual essays about the nitpickiest of details each episode, his own FAQ has this to say about Discovery, and I honestly can't fault him for these conclusions mostly (emphasis mine): Yea I'd generally agree with what he's said there too. DISCO still feels like Dr Who to me.
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Jul 25, 2019 11:36
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Zurui posted:Meanwhile, I checked up on Bernd Schneider and he's full-tilt Mad About Disco, up to and including creating a new canon policy so that the New Trek doesn't pollute the Gospel of TOS. What's this guy's deal anyhow? How did he come to be the king of the nerds? Just right place, right time, first of his kind luck?
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Jul 25, 2019 12:09
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The Golden Gael posted:What's this guy's deal anyhow? How did he come to be the king of the nerds? Just right place, right time, first of his kind luck? He put in the work, the work being Ex Astris.
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Jul 25, 2019 12:13
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I would never call Jonathan Frakes "fat", but when he played Riker in Enterprise and we were supposed to accept that it was the same character at the same point in time from an episode 15 years earlier... Yeah, it was Fat Riker. Similarly, Fat Data is weird because he's an android and is presumably supposed to look exactly the same as he used to. I don't hold that standard for real people, just fictional characters who are not actually supposed to have changed, but obviously have.
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Jul 25, 2019 12:49
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I've come back to this thread because apparently a trailer (not the teaser) has emerged for the new Picard series and for all my searching i can't find it. YouTube is full of trailer analyses, but not the trailer. Anyone here have a link? Edit: i did check the OP but there's no mention of the new series or links to series-specific threads
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:I've come back to this thread because apparently a trailer (not the teaser) has emerged for the new Picard series and for all my searching i can't find it. YouTube is full of trailer analyses, but not the trailer. Depends where you are, which is probably why the searches are messing up. loving geoblocking all over this biz. I think this is them: US: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbXy0f0aCN0 Canada: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZ9lvNHQzLQ Amazon (intl): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhBBXHwEsIo MikeJF fucked around with this message at 13:07 on Jul 25, 2019 |
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Jul 25, 2019 13:05
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:I've come back to this thread because apparently a trailer (not the teaser) has emerged for the new Picard series and for all my searching i can't find it. YouTube is full of trailer analyses, but not the trailer. instagram should be region-free: https://www.instagram.com/p/B0JtfGzB3Kc/?hl=en
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Jul 25, 2019 13:06
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Sir Lemming posted:I would never call Jonathan Frakes "fat", but when he played Riker in Enterprise and we were supposed to accept that it was the same character at the same point in time from an episode 15 years earlier... Yeah, it was Fat Riker. Similarly, Fat Data is weird because he's an android and is presumably supposed to look exactly the same as he used to. I don't hold that standard for real people, just fictional characters who are not actually supposed to have changed, but obviously have. 
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Jul 25, 2019 13:07
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What's wrong with Tom Paris? He's such an unpleasant rear end in a top hat that drags down every scene he's in. He's way more loathsome than I remember him being when I first saw Voyager years ago. But there was just an episode early in season 2 where he came off differently. Kind of. Non Sequitur, the episode where Kim gets switched into a dimension where he never made it to Voyager and is living an idyllic life in San Francisco, and he's inexplicably driven to get back to the Delta Quadrant. Paris also doesn't make it to Voyager 'cause he got into a bar fight with Quark, and he's a drunk nobody in Marseille. He's still a swaggering rear end in a top hat, but now he's a drunk with stubble in a brown version of those iconic Star Trek civilian clothes. And for some reason I felt a lot more comfortable and almost sympathetic to him like that, even though he was every bit his usual rear end in a top hat self, if not moreso. I realized one of the most obnoxious things about Paris is that people have forgiven him and accepted him. He's got a clean uniform and a position of status and power on the ship. Janeway giving him such a generous second chance, without any evidence that he's "better" in any meaningful way makes him come off as more obnoxious. Alternate Paris was completely pathetic to the point that you were really rooting for him whenever he managed to do anything right. Maybe I'll try to keep this version of him in mind going forward. He's not a cool, fun guy. He's someone barely scraping by who would, but for the grace of Janeway, manage to be a miserable pathetic failure in a post-scarcity utopia. I just realized he's the only white human male in the show's main cast. Hmm. As a side note, there was a lot of running around "future" San Francisco from Starfleet security, and it was pretty hilarious. It will be interesting to contrast it to the Picard Show, which I imagine will feature much of the same, with very different sensibilities and effects.
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I mean it's not much of a stretch to imagine that Voyager's writers wrote a lovely no account rear end in a top hat fucker on purpose because conflict or something. He just sucks.
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MikeJF posted:Depends where you are, which is probably why the searches are messing up. loving geoblocking all over this biz. I think this is them: That's the weirdest thing to me. People from this part of the world MUST not be allowed to see our commercial!
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Drone posted:Wonder if the Starfleet Dental dentist is still... well, a thing. My town has a Naruto Cafe with a big mural of Naruto on front. Its hibachi takeout... owned by a korean family.
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MikeJF posted:Depends where you are, which is probably why the searches are messing up. loving geoblocking all over this biz. I think this is them: Miss posted:instagram should be region-free: Thanks for these. It didn't even occur to me that it might be region related... otherwise I'd have used my VPN! (I'm in the UK)
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I take it I’m not the only one currently watching through all of Voyager right now? I am almost done with season 3. Agree with everything just mentioned about Tom Paris, and wound like to see Neelix die a horrible death but I know that doesn’t happen. Otherwise I like the rest of the cast just as much as I did back in the 90s.
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Jul 25, 2019 14:27
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Why did Janeway need Tom Paris again? I fully forget what started off her 'needing' him to pilot the ship.
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Jul 25, 2019 14:30
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Neelix is a weirdo alien but he is not a piece of poo poo the way Paris is and has more consistent characterization than Janeway or Torres Chakotay is just... there
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Whalley posted:Why did Janeway need Tom Paris again? I fully forget what started off her 'needing' him to pilot the ship. They were going into the badlands and she wanted the best
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Jul 25, 2019 14:34
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Janeway needs an admiral's son on her ship so she won't get any risky assignments and rehabilitating Tom is probably a quick path to promotion. Going after Maquis she knows don't have the balls to actually destroy a federation ship.
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Whalley posted:Why did Janeway need Tom Paris again? I fully forget what started off her 'needing' him to pilot the ship. He'd been a member of Chakotay's crew and she needed him to help guide her to him. He wasn't the pilot until Stadi died during the Caretaker abduction.
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Checking in to say I think Data looked fine in that trailer.
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Croatoan posted:Why would someone watch Voyager let alone again? Seeing you say this in light of you thinking Nemesis is good is giving me whiplash.
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CPColin posted:Checking in to say I think Data looked fine in that trailer.  One second out of context clip 
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Jul 25, 2019 14:43
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Voyager has the best opening sequence at least.
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As usual with Voyager the “syndication is god, continuity is the devil” meme killed anything that might have been good about Paris. Surely the whole point of introducing this guy as an amoral convict who fights for a second chance in Starfleet was to show his struggle to be a better man. The character concept is rich with conflict: he hates Starfleet for being his big bad dad, he hates the Maquis for being a bunch of idealist morons, Starfleet looks down on him because he’s a criminal and a bad officer, the Maquis look down on him because he’s amoral and doesn’t believe in anything. But to actually develop that over time would confuse anybody who wanted to watch the show in a random order so of course let’s wrap all that poo poo up with a bow at the end of the pilot, and never mention it again except for in a couple episodes where it looks like Tom is actually evil but then it turns out he’s not.
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Timby posted:Seeing you say this in light of you thinking Nemesis is good is giving me whiplash. To be honest I can't disagree with you. Maybe I was just still high from the night before? Maybe?
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Pick posted:and women just keep wanting to bang jeffrey combs so bad they make erotic art of Brunt My desires feel validated right now.
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