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| Joe Biden, the Inappropriate Toucher |
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18 | 1.46% |
| Bernie Sanders, the Hand Flailer |
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665 | 54.11% |
| Elizabeth Warren, the Plan Maker |
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319 | 25.96% |
| Kamala Harris, the Cop Lord |
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26 | 2.12% |
| Cory Booker, the Super Hero Wannabe |
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5 | 0.41% |
| Julian Castro, the Twin |
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5 | 0.41% |
| Kirsten Gillibrand, the Franken Killer |
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5 | 0.41% |
| Pete Buttigieg, the Troop Sociopath |
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17 | 1.38% |
| Robert Francis O'Rourke, the Fake Latino |
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3 | 0.24% |
| Jay Inslee, the Climate Alarmist |
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8 | 0.65% |
| Marianne Williamson, the Crystal Queen |
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86 | 7.00% |
| Tulsi Gabbard, the Muslim Hater |
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23 | 1.87% |
| Andrew Yang, the $1000 Fool |
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32 | 2.60% |
| Eric Swalwell, the Insurance Wife Guy |
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2 | 0.16% |
| Amy Klobuchar, the Comb Enthusiast |
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1 | 0.08% |
| Bill de Blasio, the NYPD Most Hated |
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4 | 0.33% |
| Tim Ryan, the Dope Face |
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3 | 0.24% |
| John Hickenlooper, the Also Ran |
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7 | 0.57% |
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Lastgirl posted:whatever demon compels you today, I will say a blessing and sprinkle salt and keep you in my thoughts so that you may heal with whatever affliction that has caused a bug to appear up in your rear end Whatever, LG, I choose to heal this thread with love.
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redneck nazgul posted:My first tier is Warren, then Bernie because of policies. why you gotta do me dirty like this redneck nazgul also this is a dumb derail because a modcop dropped a tweet with no commentary, which is probatable. Anyways see you all in a week. https://twitter.com/marwilliamson/status/1153666502488469510 Chilichimp posted:Whatever, LG, I choose to heal this thread with love. we all need to heal, so that we can move forward. I bear no ill will towards you and the only thing I wish to kill you with, is kindness. mamaste
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Jul 25, 2019 20:34
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mormonpartyboat posted:nobody is asking anybody to choose just one Your entire argument seems to be that other people are saying that.
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Jul 25, 2019 20:36
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redneck nazgul posted:Biden...was progressive on civil rights fuckin yikes
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Jul 25, 2019 20:37
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*less than two pages later* Party Plane Jones posted:like randi I’m putting a moratorium on lmao whoops people are discussing the thing the mod posted to the thread, but in the wrong way
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Jul 25, 2019 20:41
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redneck nazgul posted:Biden...was progressive on civil rights Excuse me? Sorry, can you elaborate on this redneck nazgul thank u 
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Jul 25, 2019 20:45
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mormonpartyboat posted:*less than two pages later* i'm sorry i didn't realize i was living in a crystal madrassa paradise; i thought getting rich by crystal faith healing of terminally ill patients grasping for any semblance of hope in their last days of life was a bridge too far for such steely intellectuals as are in this thread but i guess not
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Jul 25, 2019 20:46
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mormonpartyboat posted:fuckin yikes  
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Jul 25, 2019 20:50
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Party Plane Jones posted:i'm sorry i didn't realize i was living in a crystal madrassa paradise; i thought getting rich by crystal faith healing of terminally ill patients grasping for any semblance of hope in their last days of life was a bridge too far for such steely intellectuals as are in this thread but i guess not Clarification: does the ban on crystalchat extend to supporting other Marianne policies, or is she temporarily an undiscussable primary candidate
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Jul 25, 2019 20:53
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crazy cloud posted:Your language reveals your bias. Magick is not superstition, and your liberal sneering tone about it is just reheated Dick Dorkins materialisy nonsense hth this is the wildest calibanibal alt ever, where does he get his material
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Jul 25, 2019 20:59
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Party Plane Jones posted:i'm sorry i didn't realize i was living in a crystal madrassa paradise; i thought getting rich by crystal faith healing of terminally ill patients grasping for any semblance of hope in their last days of life was a bridge too far for such steely intellectuals as are in this thread but i guess not the free market decided, and i would like to propose a make-a-wish foundation for adults instead (if the free market would decide this, that would be lovely) because you've proposed nothing other than they shouldn't die in a fantasy even though our brain releases DMT on death and we hallucinate our final moments and time and space is practically fractured so quickly that you loop back to the genesis of your life or lurch forward into another reality with no bearing or semblance of a past life millions and millions of years later as the stardust that comprised of you collates in a supernova and you become another lifeform by some astronomical miracle on a distant planet that supports the foundation of life with different amino acid structures, or you are just a rock on a dust planet. can we just slide into the kardashev scale so we aren't bickering about materialism and people's personal preferences and lifestyles in a time where resources are the most abundant in human history~ thank u next Lastgirl fucked around with this message at 21:05 on Jul 25, 2019 |
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Jul 25, 2019 21:02
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https://www.politico.com/story/2019/07/25/warren-hillary-clinton-vice-president-1435422 Elizabeth Warren just announced how she would have accepted an offer to be Hillary’s VP. There it is in plain site, folks. She refused to endorse Bernie in the 2016 primary because 1) she’s not progressive/socialist at all, 2) she’s an establishment politician, and 3) she only cares about power. I’m not even getting into how she was a republican until she was almost 50, or how she literally lied about her ethnicity for material gain. Elizabeth Warren is a loving neoliberal Trojan horse, and all of her fans in denial about this need to be educated on it. This is your future, people. Start exposing her to everyone you know now.
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Jul 25, 2019 21:04
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Party Plane Jones posted:i thought getting rich by crystal faith healing of terminally ill patients grasping for any semblance of hope in their last days of life telling your dying loved one that things are going to be ok is giving them hope in their last days of life it makes no real difference to the dying if that hope comes in the form of thinking that a theoretical experimental treatment might have promise, or that you have faith in jesus christ, or that your family will sacrifice a turtledove in burnt offering, or if there's a new crystal that can align your chakras and give you strength. the thing that is important is only that the dying believes in it, and finds that comfort in the shared belief offering that hope to people in the height of reagan laughing from the podium about the ~gay plague~ and medical science refusing to treat it as anything more than god's wrath might not have cured anyone, but if it helped just one person suffer less, then it's a net good in the world. telling just one vulnerable person "you still valid, you have value as a human being, and you are worth love," and having them believe that truth is the fundamental responsibility we have between ourselves as individuals because you or i can't fix the gross systemic problems plaguing our society by coming up with the perfect tweet, but we can improve the world around us in ways that can be as flawed as we are as individuals. to be incomplete, and to accept that in both ourselves and others. to find love for the world in spite of all of its failings, and to share that love to with other people's existence even in the most dire of moments. to understand that the lesson of suffering is compassion. to hold those facing unknowable death and to be held in return but i guess i'm just a ~steely intellectual~ mormonpartyboat fucked around with this message at 21:09 on Jul 25, 2019 |
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Jul 25, 2019 21:06
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mormonpartyboat posted:telling your dying loved one that things are going to be ok is giving them hope in their last days of life not to mention it makes a lot of $$$ for whoever is selling the crystals I am disappointed that the poster would promote "opiate of the masses" in this manner
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Jul 25, 2019 21:09
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Marianne's idea that the AIDS virus is a symptom of something wrong with you personally and spiritually, is pretty consistent with a couple of capitalist framings of how social problems are created and resolved. Namely: - The general idea that in a free-market system, problems are individual rather than structural/socio-economic - That the ultimate responsibility for something even like health issues rests with a moral rather than a physiological "flaw" - The protestant notion that moral problems are fundamentally problems of personal spirituality rather than any kind of rigorous examination of your relationship with others and society at large Its basically the prosperity doctrine thinly disguised in new-age garb. That said, she clearly didn't believe the full implications of what she preached, because she also set up charities to help feed and help people with AIDS. But in other respects she's a slightly less-lovely version of Jordan Peterson (except she probably supports an all-fruit rather than an all-meat diet).
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Jul 25, 2019 21:10
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Typo posted:not to mention it makes a lot of $$$ for whoever is selling the crystals vOv i dont consider wealth or the accumulation of such to be inherently evil i see the power dynamics that allow wealth to be used as leverage to be the evil, since they don't just operate off wealth
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Jul 25, 2019 21:11
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how can medicine be real if our bodies are fake
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Jul 25, 2019 21:11
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Typo posted:not to mention it makes a lot of $$$ for whoever is selling the crystals free markets decided, but no we have to protect capitalism and the vested interests to maintain this kind of hosed up system where materialism is ascribed in such a manner that dying people chose such a path instead of diverting resources into free healthcare to ease their lives or even prevent such things so Elizabeth Warren it is. Dairy Days posted:how can medicine be real if our bodies are fake my flesh prison growls at you by the contractions of my vocal chords to express ideas abstractly
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Jul 25, 2019 21:12
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mormonpartyboat posted:vOv i dont consider wealth or the accumulation of such to be inherently evil I think selling "healing" products of no medical value, at exorbitant prices, to desperate sick people, who are often downtrodden members of the working class, under the promise that this is going to cure them for financial gains is evil. I am deeply disappointed by the poster's defense of one of the worst examples of exploitation by the "clergy" and capitalism. Under state scientific Atheism such product and exploitation would be banned.
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Jul 25, 2019 21:15
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tylersayten posted:https://www.politico.com/story/2019/07/25/warren-hillary-clinton-vice-president-1435422 Warren sucks
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Typo posted:I think selling "healing" products of no medical value, at exorbitant prices, to desperate sick people, who are often downtrodden members of the working class, under the promise that this is going to cure them for financial gains is evil. sweating profusely at dealing with the conundrum with pushing two buttons that read: button 1#:] poor people do not have a choice in the matter due to high healthcare costs, so their agency is resorted to magicks button 2#:] poor people do have a choice in the matter, and are being swindled by magicks, so their agency is resorted to personal preference of healthcare thanks to a robust free market
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Jul 25, 2019 21:21
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Lastgirl posted:Excuse me? Sorry, can you elaborate on this redneck nazgul thank u there are not enough white progressives and white moderates (that lean democratic) to beat Trump. So, the minority vote is of paramount importance and I’m skeptical they will rally around Bernie or Elizabeth … but I could be wrong about that. I’m a big fan of Warren as a presidential candidate, and Bernie for his contribution to the progressive movement. If I could wave a magic wand, it would be Warren elected as prez and Cory Booker as VP. To get Trump out of office it MIGHT … I repeat MIGHT … have to be Biden due to the average Joe (no pun intended) and Josephine who are not political junkies like us and want a “comfortable” candidate. Again, it’s good to vigorously debate this, and Biden very well could fade going into the final turn. After the next debate we’ll be down to maybe five or six viable candidates, and your two will make the final cut I’m sure. 
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Jul 25, 2019 21:23
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Liberalism is dead and and Americans don't have the stomach for socialism so a New Age cult is really the most plausible good outcome everyone. Unlike both those traditions New Age beliefs are an authentically American tradition and not some pretentious European import, and its ecumenical and pluralist outlook is ideal for overcoming America's stark religious divides. Williamson's comments on AIDS and vaccines merely demonstrate the raw potency of her beliefs and the power of faith to overcome all rational obstacles. No other force is capable of overcoming Trumpism. Search your feelings, you know it to be true.
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Jul 25, 2019 21:24
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redneck nazgul posted:there are not enough white progressives and white moderates (that lean democratic) to beat Trump. So, the minority vote is of paramount importance and I’m skeptical they will rally around Bernie or Elizabeth … but I could be wrong about that. I’m a big fan of Warren as a presidential candidate, and Bernie for his contribution to the progressive movement. If I could wave a magic wand, it would be Warren elected as prez and Cory Booker as VP. To get Trump out of office it MIGHT … I repeat MIGHT … have to be Biden due to the average Joe (no pun intended) and Josephine who are not political junkies like us and want a “comfortable” candidate. Again, it’s good to vigorously debate this, and Biden very well could fade going into the final turn. After the next debate we’ll be down to maybe five or six viable candidates, and your two will make the final cut I’m sure. The majority of Bernie's support is from minorities
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Jul 25, 2019 21:25
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Lastgirl posted:sweating profusely at dealing with the conundrum with pushing two buttons that read: Dying aids patients can’t afford medicine but selling them fake medicine that doesn’t work is fine if they can afford it, and actually is woke Usually y’all are just dumb but I think this poo poo is actually offensive
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Jul 25, 2019 21:25
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Lastgirl posted:free markets decided, but no we have to protect capitalism and the vested interests to maintain this kind of hosed up system where materialism is ascribed in such a manner that dying people chose such a path instead of diverting resources into free healthcare to ease their lives or even prevent such things so Elizabeth Warren it is. under socialism I would think williamson should definitely be subjected to "speak bitter' sessions by relatives of those who purchased her products but died of their illnesses Lastgirl posted:sweating profusely at dealing with the conundrum with pushing two buttons that read: As a centrist compromise, I propose we jail both williamson and health insurance execs after the revolution
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Jul 25, 2019 21:26
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Lastgirl posted:sweating profusely at dealing with the conundrum with pushing two buttons that read: shut the gently caress up
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Helsing posted:Liberalism is dead and and Americans don't have the stomach for socialism so a New Age cult is really the most plausible good outcome everyone. Unlike both those traditions New Age beliefs are an authentically American tradition and not some pretentious European import, and its ecumenical and pluralist outlook is ideal for overcoming America's stark religious divides. Williamson's comments on AIDS and vaccines merely demonstrate the raw potency of her beliefs and the power of faith to overcome all rational obstacles. No other force is capable of overcoming Trumpism. Search your feelings, you know it to be true. I think "New Age cult" are not "authentically American" but rather cultural appropriation from many older non-white traditions by Americans I would urge those who find Williamson appealing to instead "go to the source" and check themselves into a state-ran Traditional Chinese medicine hospital in China instead, at least it's more cost efficient
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This thread is wild as all heck Debate & Discussion > Democratic Presidential Primary 2020: Bernie Or Magick Or Bust
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Jul 25, 2019 21:28
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Typo posted:I think "New Age cult" are not "authentically American" but rather cultural appropriation from many older non-white traditions by Americans That's as American as mom and apple pie. In fact anything less would be positive unAmerican.
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Dairy Days posted:shut the gently caress up (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Typo posted:I think selling "healing" products of no medical value, at exorbitant prices, to desperate sick people, who are often downtrodden members of the working class, under the promise that this is going to cure them for financial gains is evil. it's more that our society is so evil, the only thing many people feel comfortable turning to is huckster poo poo were good medical care provided for free to everyone who needed it without shame or stigma, within a context of a society that emphasizes wellness and acceptance, and people still actively choose to turn all that down and instead go get the cancer cupped out of them or whatever, then more power to them. we have no right to dictate that people heal themselves in a manner of our choosing
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Jul 25, 2019 21:29
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Taxing wealth: neolib bs Scamming aids patients: good and cool
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Helsing posted:That's as American as mom and apple pie. In fact anything less would be positive unAmerican. I can't argue with this you are right
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Jul 25, 2019 21:30
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Typo posted:I would absolutely ban use of state funding for crystals under single payer as I am against unscientific superstitions you're apparently arguing against some ghost in your head that thinks there should be state funded crystals, so i'm not going to entirely trust that you're a Poster Of Science
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Jul 25, 2019 21:33
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Your Boy Fancy posted:This thread is wild as all heck +1 vote for this mormonpartyboat posted:it's more that our society is so evil, the only thing many people feel comfortable turning to is huckster poo poo In actual seriousness, one of my good buddies does a lot of sociology-of-medicine stuff, and she worked with South Texas Vietnamese folks on compliance stuff recommending how the CDC could persuade them to Do Things (specifically in the context of contagious diseases iirc), in a compassionate and culturally sensitive way. Listening to her talk about it was p cool although I don't actually remember much in the way of details. 
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Jul 25, 2019 21:33
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mormonpartyboat posted:you're apparently arguing against some ghost in your head that thinks there should be state funded crystals, so i'm not going to entirely trust that you're a Poster Of Science this is a serious question in countries with single payer (how much if any state funding should go towards "alternative medicine" when the patient wants it)
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Jul 25, 2019 21:34
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mormonpartyboat posted:it's more that our society is so evil, the only thing many people feel comfortable turning to is huckster poo poo
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Typo posted:I would absolutely ban use of state funding for crystals under single payer as I am against unscientific superstitions What if crystals bring joy? Should the role of government only be to facilitate physical and mental well-being as defined by some numbers fuckstein?
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