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| Joe Biden, the Inappropriate Toucher |
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18 | 1.46% |
| Bernie Sanders, the Hand Flailer |
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665 | 54.11% |
| Elizabeth Warren, the Plan Maker |
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319 | 25.96% |
| Kamala Harris, the Cop Lord |
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26 | 2.12% |
| Cory Booker, the Super Hero Wannabe |
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5 | 0.41% |
| Julian Castro, the Twin |
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5 | 0.41% |
| Kirsten Gillibrand, the Franken Killer |
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5 | 0.41% |
| Pete Buttigieg, the Troop Sociopath |
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17 | 1.38% |
| Robert Francis O'Rourke, the Fake Latino |
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3 | 0.24% |
| Jay Inslee, the Climate Alarmist |
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8 | 0.65% |
| Marianne Williamson, the Crystal Queen |
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86 | 7.00% |
| Tulsi Gabbard, the Muslim Hater |
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23 | 1.87% |
| Andrew Yang, the $1000 Fool |
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32 | 2.60% |
| Eric Swalwell, the Insurance Wife Guy |
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2 | 0.16% |
| Amy Klobuchar, the Comb Enthusiast |
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1 | 0.08% |
| Bill de Blasio, the NYPD Most Hated |
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4 | 0.33% |
| Tim Ryan, the Dope Face |
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3 | 0.24% |
| John Hickenlooper, the Also Ran |
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7 | 0.57% |
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KingNastidon posted:What if crystals bring joy? Should the role of government only be to facilitate physical and mental well-being as defined by some numbers fuckstein? you'll only support crystals as medicine as soon as merck and pfizer figure out a way to monopolize them, gently caress off
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Can we agree then that supporting the Iraq War is recent enough to stain someone’s record? And that goes for hiring people who supported the war? Or is foreign policy a place where we forgive more easily than health policy?
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Jul 25, 2019 21:37
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KingNastidon posted:What if crystals bring joy? Should the role of government only be to facilitate physical and mental well-being as defined by some numbers fuckstein? Not when it contradicts the principles of scientific atheism no However, if 99% of the people were on board with crystals, I suppose we can setup a state owned crystal production company which provides them at reasonable price to the healthcare system. But this would be a temporary compromise until we promote education so that people realize their fates are best left to the fate of trained doctors and not charlatans.
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Jul 25, 2019 21:38
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redneck nazgul posted:there are not enough white progressives and white moderates (that lean democratic) to beat Trump. So, the minority vote is of paramount importance and I’m skeptical they will rally around Bernie or Elizabeth … but I could be wrong about that. I’m a big fan of Warren as a presidential candidate, and Bernie for his contribution to the progressive movement. If I could wave a magic wand, it would be Warren elected as prez and Cory Booker as VP. To get Trump out of office it MIGHT … I repeat MIGHT … have to be Biden due to the average Joe (no pun intended) and Josephine who are not political junkies like us and want a “comfortable” candidate. Again, it’s good to vigorously debate this, and Biden very well could fade going into the final turn. After the next debate we’ll be down to maybe five or six viable candidates, and your two will make the final cut I’m sure. I can see that, but Joe Biden put us in this situation in the first place so it feels dishonest to me. He's been at this for so long and you'd have to think that if he had half a century of politicking, why now of all time. It seems like an admission that he's made mistakes, and I feel like the luxury of time that we have taken for granted for so long at the behest of people who died for it is just out and we don't have time to see Grandpa Patriarch Joe have a struggle sesh in the white house performatively because he has had the fortune and the luxury to do so while people don't, and have been beyond out of time to prop up such a struggle sesh. I've never written in before, but he pretty much encourages that on principle alone because not is he just a class enemy, the dynamism that allows him to minimize women is abhorrent to me and just dishonest and I will not allow justification of "thats how politics works" because no, those terms shouldn't be dictated and set as the standard any more. I think the problem with id pol is that it backfires spectacularly because its so malleable and can be used without context to be weaponized to extremes so focusing on what is needed. He will not beat trump by morality tone policing as he has done, because he comes off as extremely condescending and tone deaf and his economic platform is ill thought out and left to be desired, and even if he parrots a progressive talking point, it'd be disingenuous because people have already hammered him on flip-flopping and will continue to do so. The working class does not identify with a delawarean corpocrat~ To get the minority vote, on which the majority are working class, you need to focus from a class perspective that enriches and invests in their communities, from an intersectional framework. That is where the appeal is, Americans care about money more than anything if you tout capitalism and they know that you're loving with them and taking their money. Everything else is just a waste of time and a fantasy of privileged daydreaming that doesn't get the bills paid on time. The only comfortable people are with Joe Biden are a subset of a demographic that have the luxury and time to dismiss his flaws. Lastgirl fucked around with this message at 21:41 on Jul 25, 2019 |
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Jul 25, 2019 21:38
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I’m completely OK with the idea that bad policy positions in the 1990s is enough to say someone shouldn’t be the president. I think it applies equally to supporting Republicans as to other bad positions. I don’t think supporting Republicans during the 1990s is somehow justifiable but yet other positions in the 90s are not.
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Jul 25, 2019 21:40
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Typo posted:this is a serious question in countries with single payer (how much if any state funding should go towards "alternative medicine" when the patient wants it) it depends on what and why and so on should hospitals have bibles that the state bought? a person of faith actively taking their free medicine and also reading a bible because it gives them peace is a better service than that same person having to go buy a bible, so yeah. just be inclusive about it. if someone wants to sleep with a few quartz crystals around their pillow because they believe it helps the chemo drugs go down, i'd absolutely say yes should hospitals offer state bought bibles instead of medicine? lol no which is why my example of someone turning down the offer of a hypothetical compassionate society and instead choosing to go get disease cupped out of them has nothing to do with this weird tangent you're on
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Jul 25, 2019 21:41
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Trabisnikof posted:Can we agree then that supporting the Iraq War is recent enough to stain someone’s record? And that goes for hiring people who supported the war? what about the 9/11 aumf
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Jul 25, 2019 21:42
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mormonpartyboat posted:what about the 9/11 aumf I think being against the 9/11 aumf is a huge plus but I’m lenient on politicians who regret the vote.
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Jul 25, 2019 21:43
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I'm sorry was there some new poll that had MW polling at 10% in Iowa or something? Why the gently caress are we filling up page after page arguing over a candidate who is not going anywhere and isn't going to be in the September debates? I mean while we're at it let's suck all the air out of the room whining about Inslee or Bennet or something, too. jfc
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Jul 25, 2019 21:43
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Typo posted:As a centrist compromise, I propose we jail both williamson and health insurance execs after the revolution as long as we construct a crystal prison to suspend her in, that would be good free healthcare is a human right, and by enacting m4a we wouldn't have to go "heh, free markets, they chose crystals instead of expensive monthly chemotherapy, suckers  "
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Jul 25, 2019 21:45
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MSDOS KAPITAL posted:I'm sorry was there some new poll that had MW polling at 10% in Iowa or something? Why the gently caress are we filling up page after page arguing over a candidate who is not going anywhere and isn't going to be in the September debates? it was funny in a bad way to watch people get so irony poisoned that they say scamming aids patients is good
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Jul 25, 2019 21:46
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Oh little Bernard Brothers, you worry about reading lanyards when you should be reading auras. How will you overcome capital when you can't even stand up to the Archons of the Outer Church?
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Jul 25, 2019 21:49
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I respect Marianne's power, but I do not fear her or her myriad followers. If they test me, they'll find that I am no soft persimmon
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Jul 25, 2019 21:51
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tylersayten posted:https://www.politico.com/story/2019/07/25/warren-hillary-clinton-vice-president-1435422 lol, christ.
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Jul 25, 2019 21:52
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MSDOS KAPITAL posted:I'm sorry was there some new poll that had MW polling at 10% in Iowa or something? Why the gently caress are we filling up page after page arguing over a candidate who is not going anywhere and isn't going to be in the September debates? it's at least more entertaining than "I'm Voting Bernie But I Think Warren Is Okay" vs "People Who Think Warren Is Okay Are Counterrevolutionaries" although some subsidiary data that's come out from that dumb slapfight might help me swing some Warren Good Bernie Fine people in meatspace / less extremely online environments to Warren Good Bernie Better, so edit: i have mixed feelings about calibanibal joining the marianne conversation
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Jul 25, 2019 21:53
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Peddling false hope and magick to dying people for personal financial gain may be bad, but isn't killing people that weren't already going to die. It's really a condemnation of the democratic party where this is considered worse than *checks polls for who is the latest threat to bernie*
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Jul 25, 2019 21:55
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KingNastidon posted:Peddling false hope and magick to dying people for personal financial gain may be bad, but isn't killing people that weren't already going to die. It's really a condemnation of the democratic party where this is considered worse than *checks polls for who is the latest threat to bernie* sorry that people choose to die in such a way that doesn't line your pocket
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Jul 25, 2019 21:56
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mormonpartyboat posted:it's more that our society is so evil, the only thing many people feel comfortable turning to is huckster poo poo This says way more about you than it does the country RuanGacho fucked around with this message at 22:00 on Jul 25, 2019 |
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Jul 25, 2019 21:57
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KingNastidon posted:Peddling false hope and magick to dying people for personal financial gain may be bad, but isn't killing people that weren't already going to die. It's really a condemnation of the democratic party where this is considered worse than *checks polls for who is the latest threat to bernie* some people will rationalize fuckin' anything... including faith healer grifting now apparently.
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Jul 25, 2019 21:58
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How is supporting the Republicans during the AIDSs crisis not worse than peddling false hope? Imagine hearing the Republicans laughing about the “gay plague” and still remaining a supporter of the party. And incredibly, never ever apologizing for it. Never even letting it enter your mind as part of the excuse for when you do leave. Not even a single mention.
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Jul 25, 2019 22:00
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mormonpartyboat posted:it depends on what and why and so on it appears that people have misunderstood which is great, because it just goes to show that capitalism deals in ultimates. So if you socialize healthcare, and if people have personal beliefs about treatment, how do you address that and its very easy to just go "ok, you can take this shot, but if you want your crystal nearby, thats fine." but then there will be people who are insistent that their crystal is the only healing source, so as long as universal healthcare is readily available, its their choice if they want to come around to it. Some of them are genuine in their belief systems so saying that they're being conned is telling that they don't have agency in how they want to live or die. It doesn't matter as long as there is an actual universal healthcare system that supports people so they choose to use it, because its there and ready. Its the same disingenuous shtick that republicans moan and wail about how healthcare is slavery and it will force us all. That will be something that will come up in the future debates, most likely when M4A comes to pass. Which would be a far better debate to be had than just deciding that people live or die because they're too poor to "have access" to an obvious resource that is a right since again, we live in abundance.
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KingNastidon posted:Peddling false hope and magick
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Typo posted:suppose you are involved in anti-landlord campaign and a landlord tells you, "it's not me, it's the system", that doesn't make him or her any less guilty of being a bloodsucking parasite of the peasantry. Same with the exploiter Williamson. when i look at things like this, i tend to look at it as cost/benefit. what is the cost? well, some dying people looked at a world that mocked them for being sick and gay, so they spent like $20 on a book to feel better. what is the benefit? they felt better as they died it's definitely not ideal, but when i look at all the layers of exploitation used to build up the primary candidates, i can't get too mad about "she took money from people while letting them find peace as they died" when there are multiple candidates who actively arrested and killed innocent black people just so they could say they were tough on crime in local politics. biden actively campaigned to refuse gay people access to the military in 1993, before DADT. the democratic party at large didn't put even gay marriage in the party platform until 2012. in that same year, warren said that treating a trans prisoner's dysphoria with surgery wasn't a good use of taxpayer money, because, well, treating trans people like human beings might cause a hit in the polls. saying she exploiting people without leaving anything more than a warm fuzzy is, if anything, an argument that she's near the top of the list when it comes to exploitation, because that's just how loving terrible the democratic stable is
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Jul 25, 2019 22:03
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What I’m trying to say is that at least Tulsi explained when she decided to start caring about lgbt rights. When did that happen for Warren?
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mormonpartyboat posted:when i look at things like this, i tend to look at it as cost/benefit. what is the cost? well, some dying people looked at a world that mocked them for being sick and gay, so they spent like $20 on a book to feel better. what is the benefit? they felt better as they died gently caress off (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Jul 25, 2019 22:06
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RuanGacho posted:This says way more about you than it does the country thank you Lastgirl posted:That will be something that will come up in the future debates, most likely when M4A comes to pass. Which would be a far better debate to be had than just deciding that people live or die because they're too poor to "have access" to an obvious resource that is a right since again, we live in abundance. its not going to pass because a hundred million neoliberals are more terrified that someone might fondle a geode instead of a rosary during chemo than they are that someone will die because an insurance company's actuarial tables said they were no longer profitable to keep alive, and their great gushing tears of concern are going to drown us all before global warming does
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its all exploitation top to bottom so can't tout capitalism and say you're not voting for bernie and then performatively scorn the crystal queen for making GBS threads out golden goose egg healing mineral at a dying patient and then try to frame it in absolutes as an either/or within the confines of capitalism because its the very system that allows a crystal queen to poo poo out a goose egg healing mineral at a dying patient 
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Jul 25, 2019 22:07
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Trabisnikof posted:How is supporting the Republicans during the AIDSs crisis not worse than peddling false hope? It's wild how much poo poo has changed in the last 30 years. Even wilder still is the people who want to turn it back.
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Jul 25, 2019 22:11
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mormonpartyboat posted:its not going to pass because a hundred million neoliberals are more terrified that someone might fondle a geode instead of a rosary during chemo than they are that someone will die because an insurance company's actuarial tables said they were no longer profitable to keep alive, and their great gushing tears of concern are going to drown us all before global warming does *m4a is enacted* owning the libs by teling them i won't utilize free healthcare to their dismay and have total agency on my life and death  this is america
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Jul 25, 2019 22:17
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Trabisnikof posted:What I’m trying to say is that at least Tulsi explained when she decided to start caring about lgbt rights. When did that happen for Warren? she only came into congress after the democrats had adopted gay marriage into their platform, and has only really had opinions on things as they become the public issue of the day, never straying more than one or two standard deviations from party policy. hard to really get firm policy opinions on before that, since she only really floated around economics circles
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Jul 25, 2019 22:18
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Elizabeth Warren wisely spent the 80s not knowing gay people existed
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Lastgirl posted:*m4a is enacted* #woah #wow this says a lot about you and absolutely nothing about america land that i love
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Jul 25, 2019 22:21
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Biden has over 50% black support in South Carolina. A major structural problem for Bernie and Warren are that they need to position themselves to win moderates but they don't seem to have a real strategy to do so. https://twitter.com/MonmouthPoll/status/1154477239817216000?s=19
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Jul 25, 2019 22:27
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mormonpartyboat posted:#woah #wow this says a lot about you "the doctors are fascists!", I shout as they strap me in, rip my healing crystal from my hand and treat me with no charge despite no consent to do so in the first place in America, people buy their beliefs. Lastgirl fucked around with this message at 22:35 on Jul 25, 2019 |
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Jul 25, 2019 22:27
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lol figures I'd suggest getting back to real primary chat and get a LinYutang shitpost for my troubles
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GreyjoyBastard posted:it's at least more entertaining than "I'm Voting Bernie But I Think Warren Is Okay" vs "People Who Think Warren Is Okay Are Counterrevolutionaries" Why Yang Is My Sixth Choice For Vice President, a 15,000 word post
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Jul 25, 2019 22:34
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MSDOS KAPITAL posted:lol Believe in karma yet?
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I think this thread can have space for both ""I'm Voting Bernie But I Think Warren Is Okay" AND ""I'm Voting Bernie But I Think Marianne Is Okay." But I think that means driving out the diehard Bernie stans
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Jul 25, 2019 22:36
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Lastgirl posted:"the doctors are fascists!", I shout as they strap me in, rip my healing crystal from my hand and treat me with no charge despite no consent to do so in the first place  Calibanibal posted:I think this thread can have space for both ""I'm Voting Bernie But I Think Warren Is Okay" AND ""I'm Voting Bernie But I Think Marianne Is Okay." But I think that means driving out the diehard Bernie stans i just assumed 'ban' stood for 'bernie stan'
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Trabisnikof posted:How is supporting the Republicans during the AIDSs crisis not worse than peddling false hope? This is a good point and as someone who likes Warren I would like to see her asked about this.
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