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lunar detritus posted:I think making the first post of the OP about the spreadsheet and how to submit levels could work to make it easier for new people to find them. Right now that info is buried under almost 2000 words. I’ll flip the post order, great idea.
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I wonder if there is a community of players out there looking for good levels the same way there is a community of makers here looking for players. I also wonder if Makers Block exists and if I have it. 
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Jul 25, 2019 18:30
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NofrikinfuN posted:Sadly, boo is more likely used as "can't beat = boo" than the intended use to weed out garbage. That definitely seems to be the case. Other things that people seem to be boo a lot for include requiring something other than moving right and hitting jump, swimming, and autoscrolling. Nep-Nep posted:I feel like there are probably people out there who go "died once= boo" If the "died once" was because a thwomp was dropped on me at the start, definitely. Nep-Nep posted:Lots of people are also total misers about handing out likes. If I thought a level was even a little fun I give it a like because I know how hard it is to get them. That's another problem. If you go through the unfiltered queue that is "New Levels", about 95% of them are no effort shitpiles. Anything that demonstrates a bit of effort and is fun to play deserves a like in that environment, but most people don't bother even with the low effort of hitting that heart. One thing that you can do is look at the people who have played your levels, find the ones who did not like it, and then go boo all of their levels. Retaliatory booing is the only way change will occur! 
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Jul 25, 2019 18:35
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Random Stranger posted:If the "died once" was because a thwomp was dropped on me at the start, definitely. If there's good level design and showcases that there is danger ahead and everything makes sense within the confines of the level then I'll eat a kaizo block or a thwomp from off screen because it was my fault as a player for not picking up the level cues. Unfortunately most of the time it's just being a dick for being a dick, and people see kaizo levels as "haha wouldn't it be funny" (which the answer is, yes) and don't understand what makes a good kaizo level a good kaizo level, they artifically push memorization instead of mario skill, which is just butt. It's interesting to see the different regions poo poo posts though. Japan has a lot of just hot messes where it's a bunch of poo poo jammed at once. Germans are the king of what I talked about above where they mistake challenge/difficulty with memorization. You could probably do some weird game study from the data in Mario Maker.
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Jul 25, 2019 19:03
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NofrikinfuN posted:I also wonder if Makers Block exists and if I have it. Depending on what you mean by this, it's certainly a thing. Making If you've never done anything like this before, don't worry: it's absolutely normal. Keep plugging away. Even when your ideas don't pan out, you probably learned something along the way. Much like anything creative, the solution isn't to wait for inspiration. Just put the pen to paper and keep trying stuff out. Don't worry about whether or not it feels too derivative, too strange, or whatever else. Keep throwing poo poo on the screen. You also don't need to worry about being creative all the time. Think about how you'd accomplish goals that you don't need to. One of my favorite things to do is to figure out how I'd teach mechanics that it's safe to assume everyone already knows. As a random example: how would you go about getting a player to understand they need to use a koopa shell to hit a question block that can't be hit by jumping? Right now I am putting a ton of thought into the purpose and value of goombas. It's been a surprisingly deep question to dig into - my brain mostly just treats them as filler. Obviously they're not, though. Part of what makes this sort of thing so fulfilling is that feeling you get once you find that one good idea after all of the grinding to get to that point. (this got kind of rambly, oops. Apologies if I'm telling you stuff you already know)
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Jul 25, 2019 19:11
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ThisIsACoolGuy posted:Man I'm kinda depressed. I have a feeling my Perfect Run course is getting boo'd a lot because of it's difficulty as I see people playing it time to time and my score keeps going down but.. it's not fair to me. It's just a hard level I suspect the point loss from boos is harder on your psyche than it is on your maker score. I deleted a level with a clear rate below 3% and a like rate of ~10% and it still had an appreciably positive net score.
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Jul 25, 2019 19:15
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There's no soft locks, no kaizo blocks, hell it's not hyper unforgiving either like most stages in it's ilk.
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ThisIsACoolGuy posted:This is such a brave undertaking it's only crazy because so many people are playing, i did this with MM1 and was able to keep up with everyone on a daily basis. but i keep having to laugh to myself when people are like "my levels haven't been played" and it's only been a day, meanwhile i'm sitting here just about to hit when the jam 2 levels start from like 2 weeks ago.
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Jul 25, 2019 19:16
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Alakaiser posted:(this got kind of rambly, oops. Apologies if I'm telling you stuff you already know) Not at all, it's good to hear some strategies to deal with it. My main problem is getting wrapped up in the high highs (approval) and low lows (anxiety) and eventually the anxiety always overpowers the approval seeking.
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Jul 25, 2019 19:40
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I'm a bit more stingy on my likes than I'd like to be. To me, a level has to be both fun and well-constructed to get a like, because the "liked levels" list is the de facto "levels I would replay" list, so like in the future if I'm thinking "I wanna play some levels I know are good" I can just take a look in my liked levels list. I want to hand out likes to every level that's well-constructed, but not every level that's well-constructed is something I'd want to play again in the future. If there was a "favorites" list separate from "likes" then that would be ideal for me.
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Jul 25, 2019 19:41
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Pakled posted:I'm a bit more stingy on my likes than I'd like to be. To me, a level has to be both fun and well-constructed to get a like, because the "liked levels" list is the de facto "levels I would replay" list, so like in the future if I'm thinking "I wanna play some levels I know are good" I can just take a look in my liked levels list. afaik the liked levels list only keeps track of your last hundred liked levels I just download levels I know I want to play again, then hand out likes like candy.
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Jul 25, 2019 19:43
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Just want to step in here and pimp the Nintengoons Mario Maker discord channel you can find in the third post of this thread for all of you reading who think your levels are sitting around with zero plays. There's a constant five or so goons in there who will definitely play levels you throw in there and give near instant feedback on them no matter how good or bad your level. I personally put stuff posted in there at the top of my "to play" list and then go to the spreadsheet or the thread.
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Jul 25, 2019 19:45
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I have a dumb question that may say more about me than I realize: Does anyone else replay their own levels, like on a regular basis? I have no idea why I feel compelled to, if it's hoping I can recapture some inspiration I had, or making sure the level feels right over and over or if it's just a matter of me making levels I would enjoy.
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Jul 25, 2019 20:45
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NofrikinfuN posted:I wonder if there is a community of players out there looking for good levels the same way there is a community of makers here looking for players. I have it and I haven’t even made one level yet.  I think I’ll try to make a relatively simple SMB1 level to to get my feet wet soon.
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Jul 25, 2019 21:01
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NofrikinfuN posted:I have a dumb question that may say more about me than I realize: I do this before I upload the level, and then once I’ve released it I sort of forget it exists.
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Jul 25, 2019 21:02
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Phantasium posted:afaik the liked levels list only keeps track of your last hundred liked levels yeah if i absolutely love a level then I'll download it, and likes are for just that: levels i liked in any way
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Jul 25, 2019 21:08
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NofrikinfuN posted:I have a dumb question that may say more about me than I realize: i replayed all of mine last night because i was curious whether any of the comments had been posted directly in the course lol. is there an easier way to check that?
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Jul 25, 2019 21:10
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Looper posted:i replayed all of mine last night because i was curious whether any of the comments had been posted directly in the course lol. is there an easier way to check that? Check your death markers, you can see comments in that mode.
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Jul 25, 2019 21:12
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It's too bad there aren't stat trackers you can set for your level, like how many people got your hidden 50 coin. I watched two people find it on stream and saw one person comment on it but I wanna know overall who is thinking to go looking for it. I get a kick out of someone finding the prizes.
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Jul 25, 2019 21:20
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NofrikinfuN posted:I have a dumb question that may say more about me than I realize: Yes, a lot.
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Jul 25, 2019 21:26
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I replay my levels after about a weeks time, let muscle memory from all my testing fade a bit and make sure they're still fun. Then I play them a lot here and there just for fun.
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Jul 25, 2019 21:35
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I spent enough years as a newspaper writer, it's deep in my bones not to spend a lot of time revisiting things that are done. Madness lies down that path. I've finished all of bruhhhh's 20s levels and I want more. Who are the other big 20s makers? Have any of you made one you are proud of? I'm playing all of them I can get my hands on.
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Jul 25, 2019 21:48
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Defenestrategy posted:Just want to step in here and pimp the Nintengoons Mario Maker discord channel you can find in the third post of this thread for all of you reading who think your levels are sitting around with zero plays. There's a constant five or so goons in there who will definitely play levels you throw in there and give near instant feedback on them no matter how good or bad your level. I personally put stuff posted in there at the top of my "to play" list and then go to the spreadsheet or the thread. Agreed, I tend to play levels posted in there first and post in there before I post in the thread because I get feedback (and I enjoy giving feedback). I fully admit I don't play as many levels as I should. I'm still very self-conscious about my Mario skills. I feel like I'm much better at making than playing, even though honestly I know the two go hand in hand. Edit: Huxley posted:I spent enough years as a newspaper writer, it's deep in my bones not to spend a lot of time revisiting things that are done. Madness lies down that path. I've made two 10s levels, one in a Blitz and the other just yesterday. The one yesterday I'm very proud of but I don't think many people will like it because you actually have to spend a couple seconds waiting at the start. I watched a streamer play it earlier and he just rushed blindly forward the first time without taking any time to consider what he might be running into; I think the way most speedrun levels go has trained people to play that way and since I did something a bit different I'm going to attract a lot of boos. The Lobster fucked around with this message at 22:09 on Jul 25, 2019 |
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Jul 25, 2019 22:04
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I'm too old to learn how to discord
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Jul 25, 2019 22:07
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it's easy, just click on the link someone will post soon
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Jul 25, 2019 22:22
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After a lot of iteration my jam course is up: Mole Money Mole Problems Course ID: 89Q-QFY-LQG Target Difficulty: Normal Multiplayer Friendly?: No Ride a mole-powered mine cart as you hunt for gold in Monty's Mine. This one started life as a fairly traditional stage featuring various obstacles using moles as the main course element, but when I was playing with a segment that involved a mole carryng a bill blaster that you had to ride I decided to scrap everything I had done and restart with a focus on that particular gimmick. I could easily base a super expert course around this but I wanted to target a normal difficulty which may have been a fool's errand, especially since I included a clear condition which I felt supported the theme. Still, I did everything I could think of to tutorialize the mechanic and ramp things up so that there's only a couple of tricky parts that are also lethal. I probably ended up with something too hard for normal players and too easy for expert players, but if it's recieved well I can always revisit the concept and try a harder one later.
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Jul 25, 2019 22:26
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AlBorlantern Corps posted:I'm too old to learn how to discord I thought I was too but it turns out it's just IRC with inline images and more yelling.
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Jul 25, 2019 22:33
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Discord: complicated, arcane procedure of clicking a server link and having it open IRC: old school simplicity. Download your choice of two dozen IRC clients, login to the IRC server, register your name through console commands, set up an automatic login macro, join the channel, and bask in the barrage of server messages and netsplits
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Asema posted:The ice tower in sand was a real good level  thanks!
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J-Spot posted:After a lot of iteration my jam course is up:
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Control Volume posted:Discord: Not sure if you are replying to me specifically, but to be clear, I think that inline images and more yelling are great features. Discord is cool.
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A FUCKIN CANARY!! posted:Not sure if you are replying to me specifically, but to be clear, I think that inline images and more yelling are great features. Discord is cool. Nah just making fun of IRC freaks who cant let go of their awful chat protocol
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Jul 25, 2019 23:29
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Volte posted:I only had a few minutes to try this one before dinner - I really like the concept but I wasn't a huge fan of the parts where you have to make Monty wait for a platform to move into place by making him go back and forth since he tends to be really hard to control and occasionally it seemed like he just wouldn't turn around, and even a split-second of delay and he just runs off the edge. Not sure what exactly could mitigate it but it was one of those things where I figured out what to do long before I actually managed to do it. Possibly having a way to get another Monty if you screw up without having to start over from the start of the section? I didn't actually manage to clear it because I lost my Monty almost immediately after getting the 200 coins and I didn't see a way to reset without dying (after the see saws). That's really the only lethal section right there and once you're past it it's a straight shot to the end as long as you got the coins. It's a tricky mechanic for sure though.
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Jul 25, 2019 23:33
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i swear i wasn't deliberately trying to get a good vid out of this, i'm just that dumb and lucky https://twitter.com/aquamarinephant/status/1154523110382530560
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Jul 25, 2019 23:46
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Is there a way to view all of your posted comments? I spend more time drawing dumb pictures than actually playing and I don't want to lose track of them all.
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Jul 25, 2019 23:48
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Drop offs in people playing levels here is just to be expected. Its not like everyone can keep playing this game forever, and even people super invested in it like me have other obligations. I binged hard on this game when it came out but now I gotta split time my free time between it and my art, and art is ultimately a bigger priority for me. I still play the game almost every day but usually only have a few hours, which I mostly spend on trying to make my own stages. Will try to set some time aside to play some more goon levels though. NofrikinfuN posted:I have a dumb question that may say more about me than I realize: I do sometimes. I think its a good way to reflect on decisions you've made and got a fresher perspective on how your level plays.
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My switch has been cruelly stolen from me by my boyfriend to make his own levels, so I can only sadly look on as he makes his third ghost house level while the goon queue sits unplayed
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I've just now started going through goon levels because I just got this at the start of the week, but y'all are very good at making at making things that are very atmospheric despite the limited pieces the game gives you to work with. Even when I make something that plays well I never feel like I'm creative enough to make it look cool.
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Jul 26, 2019 00:34
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Theres a yamamura dojo lesson about that specifically, which boils down to replacing platforms with different kinds of platforms. Once you have a level you can, for example, say "I want this to feel like a jungle", use mushroom platforms for most of your semisolids, make some jumps look like a broken bridge, etc. Or if its a sky level, you can move the entire thing up by a couple of blocks and make every platform look like its floating. Or just look at nat geo pictures for inspiration
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Jul 26, 2019 00:40
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Hey, got a new stage! I made a stage around switches, thwomps and wall jumps. Probably my hardest stage, I'm thinking it's maybe a bit too long but it's hard to tell. Signposting what I want people to do with the thwomps/switches was a bit difficult to figure out, so I hope it works out well.
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OneMoreTime posted:Hey, got a new stage! I made a stage around switches, thwomps and wall jumps. Now with the actual stage code!
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