|
The issue - and this also applies to steroids - is that plenty of people have CTE and none of them have done what Benoit did.
|
#
?
Jul 26, 2019 05:57
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 29, 2024 20:06 |
|
|
so does that make benoit the most successful or least successful CTE case
|
|
#
?
Jul 26, 2019 06:37
|
|
|
if anything, Chris Benoit proved that having CTE does not impact your ability to wrestle at all, so it's not really that big of a deal
|
|
#
?
Jul 26, 2019 07:55
|
|
|
And Benoit was an abusive piece of poo poo well before the murders, he just got a pass because he was a incredible worker
Randaconda fucked around with this message at 08:21 on Jul 26, 2019 |
|
#
?
Jul 26, 2019 08:15
|
|
|
LORD OF BOOTY posted:Sorry to kind of clog up this thread (and especially since this question is probably not gonna go over great), but discussion in the Network thread re: Benoit got me thinking. Everything about the murders suggests premeditation. Nancy was bound and methodically strangled with a cord. His son was killed sometime later after he had sedated him into unconsciousness. He texted people to give excuses for him and Nancy's absence. He knew that Nancy would fight and he knew his son would suffer and he took steps to mitigate both those things. After he killed them both he even researched the most painless way to kill himself that he had available, including modifying the weight machine so that it be sure to work. This is way way too much planning, thought, and attention to detail for somebody going through a psychotic break. Like you're perfectly allowed to enjoy his performances, the guy was an artist after all. But he was for sure a murdering piece of poo poo out of the ring who planned and carried out the death of a child. Prokhor Zakharov fucked around with this message at 08:41 on Jul 26, 2019 |
|
#
?
Jul 26, 2019 08:19
|
|
|
I’m all for making GBS threads on Vince, but in this case, I’m pretty sure even without WWE Benoit would have been getting dropped on his head every other night anyway. Pretty sure it’s on him. But god drat could he wrestle.
|
|
#
?
Jul 26, 2019 08:26
|
|
|
Prokhor Zakharov posted:Everything about the murders suggests premeditation. Nancy was bound and methodically strangled with a cord. His son was killed sometime later after he had sedated him into unconsciousness. He texted people to give excuses for him and Nancy's absence. He knew that Nancy would fight and he knew his son would suffer and he took steps to mitigate both those things. After he killed them both he even researched the most painless way to kill himself that he had available, including modifying the weight machine so that it be sure to work. This is way way too much planning, thought, and attention to detail for somebody going through a psychotic break. this is fair and more or less what I was looking for. thank you. it still doesn't really budge me from thinking of the event as mostly just a massive loving tragedy and largely one that rests on the shoulders of the business, but... i at least get why people reacted (and still do react) the way they did, with this in mind.
|
|
#
?
Jul 26, 2019 08:59
|
|
|
Halloween Jack posted:I'm inclined to agree, but the ritual nature of the killings, the time elapsed between them, etc. belies the simple conclusion that he committed his actions in a psychotic episode where he didn't understand what he was doing at all. But if we're ranking the wrestling industry's greatest monsters, I'd say Zumhofe, Smith, Moolah, and that Mexican serial killer woman are worse people who acted with more premeditated malice. Who's Smith and what did they do?
|
|
#
?
Jul 26, 2019 09:10
|
|
|
Smith Hart. He tried to capitalize on the Benoit tragedy by bringing in David Benoit to wrestle his first match even though he had no training. Chris Jericho had to raise a stink to get the shitshow cancelled. if you're unaware of the enormity of the trespass, we are talking about an incident that could have destroyed wrestling in canada forever.
|
|
#
?
Jul 26, 2019 09:14
|
|
|
LORD OF BOOTY posted:this is fair and more or less what I was looking for. thank you. You can't blame the business for the majority of it. He was incredibly abusive and a bully to a lot of people, starting years before the murders, and the business didn't make him take the, quite frankly staggering, amount of drugs he took.
|
|
#
?
Jul 26, 2019 09:24
|
|
|
Cavauro posted:Smith Hart. He tried to capitalize on the Benoit tragedy by bringing in David Benoit to wrestle his first match even though he had no training. Chris Jericho had to raise a stink to get the shitshow cancelled. if you're unaware of the enormity of the trespass, we are talking about an incident that could have destroyed wrestling in canada forever. Wrestling in Canada was destroyed the night Bret screwed Bret, to hear Bret tell it.
|
|
#
?
Jul 26, 2019 09:25
|
|
|
Randaconda posted:You can't blame the business for the majority of it. He was incredibly abusive and a bully to a lot of people, starting years before the murders, and the business didn't make him take the, quite frankly staggering, amount of drugs he took. When your idol and mentor is dynamite kid you're probably not being set up for success as a decent human being.
|
|
#
?
Jul 26, 2019 09:29
|
|
|
NikkolasKing posted:Who's Smith and what did they do? Grizzly Smith, Jake Roberts' father, raped Jake's mom to get her pregnant with him, and he also sexually abused his daughter, Rockin' Robin, starting when she was 6, iirc.
|
|
#
?
Jul 26, 2019 10:04
|
|
|
lmao let's build benoit a big gold statue depicting him strangling his son to death for the crime of wondering why his mom was dead let's all agree it is super good to do that and not bad at all (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
|
|
#
?
Jul 26, 2019 14:19
|
|
|
projecthalaxy posted:lmao let's build benoit a big gold statue depicting him strangling his son to death for the crime of wondering why his mom was dead let's all agree it is super good to do that and not bad at all it's sickening that you believe this stuff
|
|
#
?
Jul 26, 2019 14:26
|
|
|
projecthalaxy posted:lmao let's build benoit a big gold statue depicting him strangling his son to death for the crime of wondering why his mom was dead let's all agree it is super good to do that and not bad at all literally nobody said this though
|
|
#
?
Jul 26, 2019 14:44
|
|
|
that's an extremely confusing response. are you gaslighting that user? even though their beliefs are horrific i don't think that's the right move.
|
|
#
?
Jul 26, 2019 14:47
|
|
|
projecthalaxy posted:lmao let's build benoit a big gold statue depicting him strangling his son to death for the crime of wondering why his mom was dead let's all agree it is super good to do that and not bad at all ffs you trying to make me feel guilty about my upcoming Benoit party?
|
|
#
?
Jul 26, 2019 14:50
|
|
|
While WWE isn't directly responsible for Benoit's brain damage and sins and Benoit was certainly that monster or damaged beyond WWE and into the industry at large, it bares reasoning to say that WWE's increased schedule probably expedited the issues and WWE's lax health policies and moral ethics failed to catch or dull Benoit's tendencies. Benoit might be the product of the industry more than the WWE, but the WWE is very much the standard bearer of the industry in many important ways including these.
|
|
#
?
Jul 26, 2019 14:51
|
|
|
While we're on this morbid track, does anyone remember the reports about a wrestler being on "death watch" shortly following Eddie's death? Benoit makes sense but I remember the report saying that it could theoretically get way more mainstream coverage than Eddie's death, which makes me think it was Kurt Angle. The reports were vague and weird but I think they came from the usual dirtsheet people. Given the timeframe I must have read about it on 411mania.
|
|
#
?
Jul 26, 2019 15:04
|
|
|
Minidust posted:While we're on this morbid track, does anyone remember the reports about a wrestler being on "death watch" shortly following Eddie's death? Benoit makes sense but I remember the report saying that it could theoretically get way more mainstream coverage than Eddie's death, which makes me think it was Kurt Angle. Pretty sure it was Kurt, he was in really rough shape for the last year or so of his WWE run. IIRC there was a real sense online that he was on borrowed time once he went to TNA.
|
|
#
?
Jul 26, 2019 15:16
|
|
|
Didn't he try to get into the UFC, and the doctors administering the physical were like "Okay, we're pretty sure we've discovered that zombies are real?"
|
|
#
?
Jul 26, 2019 15:19
|
|
|
TL posted:Pretty sure it was Kurt, he was in really rough shape for the last year or so of his WWE run. IIRC there was a real sense online that he was on borrowed time once he went to TNA. And wasn't it shortly after he showed up in TNA that his head, neck, and arms shrunk by like 50%? I think due to nerve damage caused by swelling from excess spinal fluid or something.
|
|
#
?
Jul 26, 2019 15:22
|
|
|
Pope Corky the IX posted:And wasn't it shortly after he showed up in TNA that his head, neck, and arms shrunk by like 50%? I think due to nerve damage caused by swelling from excess spinal fluid or something. The neck specifically I believe was because he had a herniated disc or something like that and instead of getting major surgery to fix it he just had the affected bit cut out, which is a much shorter recovery time.
|
|
#
?
Jul 26, 2019 15:48
|
|
|
LORD OF BOOTY posted:Sorry to kind of clog up this thread (and especially since this question is probably not gonna go over great), but discussion in the Network thread re: Benoit got me thinking. Benoit had been abusive towards Nancy previously and she'd filed for divorce in 2003 because of it.
|
|
#
?
Jul 26, 2019 15:54
|
|
|
TriffTshngo posted:The neck specifically I believe was because he had a herniated disc or something like that and instead of getting major surgery to fix it he just had the affected bit cut out, which is a much shorter recovery time.
|
|
#
?
Jul 26, 2019 16:34
|
|
|
What's the origin of the "He did the deal"/"Nobody kicks out of the Falcon Arrow" jokes?
|
|
#
?
Jul 26, 2019 16:50
|
|
|
Halloween Jack posted:How do you know you have a strong neck unless you spike your head a few times to weed out the weak ones?
|
|
#
?
Jul 26, 2019 16:50
|
|
|
MassRafTer posted:Benoit had been abusive towards Nancy previously and she'd filed for divorce in 2003 because of it. Yeah, I don't know where this "Oh, Benoit just went crazy without warning" thing came from, given he had a record of abuse towards Nancy at the least, a history of bullying so far beyond normal locker room stuff that the term sadistic could be used, and the fact he planned and tried to cover up the murders, which shatters the mental break thing totally. I guess it was because he was a good worker. Hogan or Warrior or one of the other garden variety douchebags in the business certainly would not have gotten the benefit of the doubt.
|
|
#
?
Jul 26, 2019 16:51
|
|
|
PunkBoy posted:What's the origin of the "He did the deal"/"Nobody kicks out of the Falcon Arrow" jokes? https://youtu.be/Ht1J9OhVd0w?t=165
|
|
#
?
Jul 26, 2019 17:06
|
|
|
Coaaab posted:this is probably the test that determines dojo graduates I hear that the graduation test nowadays is that they put you in the ring with Kota Ibushi for half an hour and he's allowed to do any moves he wants on you.
|
|
#
?
Jul 26, 2019 20:29
|
|
|
Randaconda posted:Yeah, I don't know where this "Oh, Benoit just went crazy without warning" thing came from, given he had a record of abuse towards Nancy at the least, a history of bullying so far beyond normal locker room stuff that the term sadistic could be used, and the fact he planned and tried to cover up the murders, which shatters the mental break thing totally. My "source" for it was Meltzer and Jericho. They have a long talk about Benoit I watchd on YT years ago and that was how they framed it as far as I can recall. Granted they both knew and clearly loved Chris so they are hardly unbiased....
|
|
#
?
Jul 26, 2019 20:44
|
|
|
Benoit was a lovely human being. 30 years of brain damage from this stupid business probably made him an even worse human being. It seems crazy to ignore either of those things. Of course falling on your head 200+ nights a year for a few decades is going to scramble you up. Plenty of workers wind up just killing themselves instead of their wife and kid, though.
|
|
#
?
Jul 26, 2019 20:57
|
|
|
Randaconda posted:Yeah, I don't know where this "Oh, Benoit just went crazy without warning" thing came from, given he had a record of abuse towards Nancy at the least, a history of bullying so far beyond normal locker room stuff that the term sadistic could be used, and the fact he planned and tried to cover up the murders, which shatters the mental break thing totally. For that era I don't think his locker room bullying was really that far beyond normal. I mean, it wasn't. It was bad poo poo but the wrestlers of that era accepted it as normal so they didn't see it as a warning sign until after.
|
|
#
?
Jul 26, 2019 21:27
|
|
|
He's also from Edmonton which is where that one dude chopped the other dudes head off on a bus.
|
|
#
?
Jul 26, 2019 23:53
|
|
|
PUNKS DIET SODA posted:He's also from Edmonton which is where that one dude chopped the other dudes head off on a bus. That happened closer to Winnipeg so we should keep an eye on Jericho and Omega.
|
|
#
?
Jul 27, 2019 00:11
|
|
|
Has anyone else ever been on TNA television and WWE television in the same week like RVD just did?
|
|
#
?
Jul 27, 2019 07:46
|
|
|
christian cage and robbie highlander
|
|
#
?
Jul 27, 2019 08:52
|
|
|
Remember when Kurt Angle revealed his intentions to compete in the 2012 Olympics?
|
|
#
?
Jul 27, 2019 10:14
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 29, 2024 20:06 |
|
|
Low Desert Punk posted:Has anyone else ever been on TNA television and WWE television in the same week like RVD just did? I may be remembering completely wrong but wasn't James Storm on both Impact and NXT in the same week?
|
|
#
?
Jul 27, 2019 10:25
|
|
