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Kimsemus
Dec 4, 2013

by Reene
Toilet Rascal
I have heard that the CA bar (and VA bar) are fuckyou hard anyway. Any truth to that?

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ulmont
Sep 15, 2010

IF I EVER MISS VOTING IN AN ELECTION (EVEN AMERICAN IDOL) ,OR HAVE UNPAID PARKING TICKETS, PLEASE TAKE AWAY MY FRANCHISE

Kimsemus posted:

I have heard that the CA bar (and VA bar) are fuckyou hard anyway. Any truth to that?

CA is skewed by the contingent from non ABA accredited schools. If you look at first time taker from ABA schools the numbers are much better. But both of those are high on the list.
Bar difficulty is overrated though - “don’t be bottom 30%” is something most of us can aspire to.

Vox Nihili
May 28, 2008

Kimsemus posted:

I have heard that the CA bar (and VA bar) are fuckyou hard anyway. Any truth to that?

CA's is definitely very hard. The cut score is second only to Delaware. Virginia is harder than average.

Faster Blaster
Feb 6, 2010

Eminent Domain posted:

Double post because lol

The California bar exam essay topics leaked to law school deans so they sent out an email just now to all applicants listing the topics for the essay and PT.

What a clusterfuck.

Man, I saw this and for a minute thought it might impact the MEE/MPT, but then I remembered California's in its own little world, so whatevs. I guess that's cool for those test takers?

Kimsemus
Dec 4, 2013

by Reene
Toilet Rascal

Faster Blaster posted:

Man, I saw this and for a minute thought it might impact the MEE/MPT, but then I remembered California's in its own little world, so whatevs. I guess that's cool for those test takers?

I would actually prefer to go in blind, as opposed to battling against a bunch of hyper-focused shitlords who got to prepare specifically for those subjects while I was stuck at work or having a wife or something.

OurIntrepidHero
Nov 5, 2011

He's just too fast!

Kimsemus posted:

I would actually prefer to go in blind, as opposed to battling against a bunch of hyper-focused shitlords who got to prepare specifically for those subjects while I was stuck at work or having a wife or something.

I'm sorry, are you describing the bar, law school, or being a lawyer?

Kimsemus
Dec 4, 2013

by Reene
Toilet Rascal

OurIntrepidHero posted:

I'm sorry, are you describing the bar, law school, or being a lawyer?

yes

mastershakeman
Oct 28, 2008

by vyelkin
Book chat: I'm finishing up the 3rd mars book (red/green/blue) and it's really funny how topical it is to climate change. If the books are even halfway accurate, and they appear to be, I know all sorts of ways to heat up Earth. Oh and the west Antarctica ice sheet scares me way worse

El_Elegante
Jul 3, 2004

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Biscuit Hider
No biggie, surely the Planetary Council will launch the Solar Shade in time to minimize disaster.

mastershakeman
Oct 28, 2008

by vyelkin

El_Elegante posted:

No biggie, surely the Planetary Council will launch the Solar Shade in time to minimize disaster.
Look we just need to destroy those orbital mirrors some rear end in a top hat put up there to warm us up, problem solved
*Watches oxygen content go up* aw hell

ActusRhesus
Sep 18, 2007

"Perhaps the fact the defendant had to be dragged out of the courtroom while declaring 'Death to you all, a Jihad on the court' may have had something to do with the revocation of his bond. That or calling the judge a bald-headed cock-sucker. Either way."
Recommendation time.

Good horror/thriller on Netflix.

No torture porn.

disjoe
Feb 18, 2011


Toona the Cat posted:

I generally agree with this but why

Property filings. No one can really tell us what the recording rules are from county to county, including local counsel. Apparently, it all depends on how well the county clerk employee likes you personally. So our client could literally be out over a million dollars because loving Dolores in Butler County doesn’t like your tie, and then I gotta redo 1000 pages of property exhibits to be 12 point font instead of 11.

Also I’ve been to rural Pennsylvania and it might as well be West Virginia.

El_Elegante
Jul 3, 2004

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Biscuit Hider

ActusRhesus posted:

Recommendation time.

Good horror/thriller on Netflix.

No torture porn.

HBO’s Chernobyl is good horror/thriller.

Nonexistence
Jan 6, 2014

ActusRhesus posted:

Recommendation time.

Good horror/thriller on Netflix.

No torture porn.

All of Black Mirror. Last season was fairly recent.

sullat
Jan 9, 2012

ActusRhesus posted:

Recommendation time.

Good horror/thriller on Netflix.

No torture porn.

Altered Carbon was good. Octonauts is another good one.

blarzgh
Apr 14, 2009

SNITCHIN' RANDY
Grimey Drawer

ActusRhesus posted:

Recommendation time.

Good horror/thriller on Netflix.

No torture porn.

Train to Busan

Edit: also, The Haunting of Hill House

Double Edit: gently caress, forgot about Snowpiercer, and the best of all of them, Under the Skin

blarzgh fucked around with this message at 04:08 on Jul 29, 2019

Whitlam
Aug 2, 2014

Some goons overreact. Go figure.
:australia: Netflix so gently caress knows if we even have the same content but I found Clown pretty weird and unnerving. Otherwise yeah, Hill House is good. I'm also a sucker for the classics and The Exorcist is one of my favourites of all time. Not entirely horror but The Endless was also entirely brilliant and well worth checking out, imo.

Musical theatre and horror are basically what I live for, so naturally I'm pretty excited by the trailer for Cats.

Louisgod
Sep 25, 2003

Always Watching
Bread Liar
Enjoy law goons, better things are possible

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36DHOqzTJsw

Unamuno
May 31, 2003
Cry me a fuckin' river, Fauntleroy.

Louisgod posted:

Enjoy law goons, better things are possible

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36DHOqzTJsw

Love that "what could be better than being an attorney? You wouldn't believe" line as this profession were something other than a suicidal ideation generator for at least a quarter of its participants.

Toona the Cat
Jun 9, 2004

The Greatest

disjoe posted:

Property filings. No one can really tell us what the recording rules are from county to county, including local counsel. Apparently, it all depends on how well the county clerk employee likes you personally. So our client could literally be out over a million dollars because loving Dolores in Butler County doesn’t like your tie, and then I gotta redo 1000 pages of property exhibits to be 12 point font instead of 11.

Also I’ve been to rural Pennsylvania and it might as well be West Virginia.

James Carville one correctly noted that Pennsylvania is Pittsburgh and Philadelphia with Alabama in the middle. Butler County has one of the highest rates of heroin and meth use in the state.

SlyFrog
May 16, 2007

What? One name? Who are you, Seal?

Louisgod posted:

Enjoy law goons, better things are possible

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36DHOqzTJsw

I was unaware that Gronk had gotten a law license. Good for him!

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


Why! Why!! Why must you refuse to accept that Dr. Hieronymous Alloy's Genetically Enhanced Cream Corn Is Superior to the Leading Brand on the Market!?!




Morbid Hound

Louisgod posted:

Enjoy law goons, better things are possible

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36DHOqzTJsw

I knew my career made a wrong turn somewhere

Kimsemus
Dec 4, 2013

by Reene
Toilet Rascal

Louisgod posted:

Enjoy law goons, better things are possible

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36DHOqzTJsw

No joke, this was actually a pretty heartwarming story.

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

This does not make sense when, again, aggregate indicia also indicate improvements. The belief that things are worse is false. It remains false.
Thread question time! I am trying to identify some examples of legal analytics services, especially those with proprietary data. I'm having trouble distinguishing between companies with an actual market presence and ones that are three people in a garage spamming ads about their basic legal research/writing startup. Do any of you know the names of/make use of some of these companies?

Look Sir Droids
Jan 27, 2015

The tracks go off in this direction.
https://twitter.com/bradheath/status/1155905754655789058

lol

Vox Nihili
May 28, 2008

More info on the CA Bar Exam leak: http://www.calbar.ca.gov/About-Us/News-Events/News-Releases/statement-on-july-2019-bar-exam-release-of-general-topics

They include a FAQ with enough details to convince me that the leak resulted from gross incompetence rather than something shady.

Anyway, there's a solid chance that anyone taking who isn't in the most recent graduating class in a CA school won't even see this info at all. They're all completely hosed.

Vox Nihili fucked around with this message at 21:35 on Jul 29, 2019

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


Why! Why!! Why must you refuse to accept that Dr. Hieronymous Alloy's Genetically Enhanced Cream Corn Is Superior to the Leading Brand on the Market!?!




Morbid Hound
They need to just cancel that adminstration of the test.

Vox Nihili
May 28, 2008

A friend of mine works with someone who hadn't even heard. She informed her coworker, today, about the leaked subject details. Her coworker is effectively crippled because she has half as much time to use this info as the people who heard instantly. Cool stuff. Extremely fair.

ulmont
Sep 15, 2010

IF I EVER MISS VOTING IN AN ELECTION (EVEN AMERICAN IDOL) ,OR HAVE UNPAID PARKING TICKETS, PLEASE TAKE AWAY MY FRANCHISE

Vox Nihili posted:

A friend of mine works with someone who hadn't even heard.

How?

https://abovethelaw.com/2019/07/bar-exam-leak-massive-screwup-just-days-before-the-california-bar-exam/

Also, this looks like a nothing burger.

On the test:
Civil Procedure
Remedies
Constitutional Law
Criminal Law and Procedure
Professional Responsibility
Contracts
Evidence

Off the test:
Business Associations
Community Property
Real Property
Torts
Trusts
Wills and Succession

So you can skip about half of the subjects in your desperate last minute cramming. Whee.

ulmont fucked around with this message at 21:49 on Jul 29, 2019

evilweasel
Aug 24, 2002

its a bar exam, how hard can it be

Toona the Cat
Jun 9, 2004

The Greatest
That curve is gonna be lit.

Kimsemus
Dec 4, 2013

by Reene
Toilet Rascal

Hieronymous Alloy posted:

They need to just cancel that adminstration of the test.

They would be better served just borrowing questions from another MBE state. It amazes me they didn't have a second set either. Cancelling this test without an immediate re-administer would be a bad move for a lot of recent grads who are already stretched thin waiting for administration and results so they can find more work.

Mr. Nice!
Oct 13, 2005

bone shaking.
soul baking.
I mean, five essay topics ahead of time PLUS knowing what the multiple choice is going to cover for the state side would make life much easier.

Kimsemus posted:

They would be better served just borrowing questions from another MBE state. It amazes me they didn't have a second set either. Cancelling this test without an immediate re-administer would be a bad move for a lot of recent grads who are already stretched thin waiting for administration and results so they can find more work.

It's all the state-specific topics over 5 essays and a 90 minute multiple choice. There really isn't a way to adopt another state's questions to test California law.

evilweasel
Aug 24, 2002

how many questions can you really have on california contract law, anyway

like surely after about the fifth question someone's going to notice the pattern that the answer is always "it doesn't matter what the contract says, all that matters is what the extrinsic evidence says"?

Vox Nihili
May 28, 2008

ulmont posted:

How?

https://abovethelaw.com/2019/07/bar-exam-leak-massive-screwup-just-days-before-the-california-bar-exam/

Also, this looks like a nothing burger.

On the test:
Civil Procedure
Remedies
Constitutional Law
Criminal Law and Procedure
Professional Responsibility
Contracts
Evidence

Off the test:
Business Associations
Community Property
Real Property
Torts
Trusts
Wills and Succession

So you can skip about half of the subjects in your desperate last minute cramming. Whee.

It's a huge deal for crammers and lazy assholes the world over. Our time is coming!

Vox Nihili
May 28, 2008


Presumably she was busy studying rather than checking her emails every five minutes like some sort of attorney.

gvibes
Jan 18, 2010

Leading us to the promised land (i.e., one tournament win in five years)

Discendo Vox posted:

Thread question time! I am trying to identify some examples of legal analytics services, especially those with proprietary data. I'm having trouble distinguishing between companies with an actual market presence and ones that are three people in a garage spamming ads about their basic legal research/writing startup. Do any of you know the names of/make use of some of these companies?
Like docketnavigator, for patent cases?

Look Sir Droids
Jan 27, 2015

The tracks go off in this direction.

Discendo Vox posted:

Thread question time! I am trying to identify some examples of legal analytics services, especially those with proprietary data. I'm having trouble distinguishing between companies with an actual market presence and ones that are three people in a garage spamming ads about their basic legal research/writing startup. Do any of you know the names of/make use of some of these companies?

At the firm I worked at, I frequently had to use https://www.sharkrepellent.net/ But that's not necessarily legal analytics.

Do you mean more along the lines of stats on judges?

Eminent Domain
Sep 23, 2007



Yeah the grading of the exam is gonna be a poo poo show for the essays.

They're offering full refunds for people who drop out now up through exam time tomorrow.

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dpkg chopra
Jun 9, 2007

Fast Food Fight

Grimey Drawer
Imagine if people that pass the this exam get looked down on by top firms down the line because they "didn't really pass the bar". Lawyers are sick enough to actually do something like that.

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